After 21 years in the program, making meetings all over the country and going to conventions, I have never heard any of that. You're just like the other idiot, you'll lie just to make your point.
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Once Again Surf. No one was Repelling to You.
Why do you go Out of your Way to Pick Fights with People who Aren't even Posting at You?
Anecdotal evidence based on your experience?
My own experience is quite the opposite. I've known many in AA, and none... NOT ONE...
has talked about faith or religion.
You and Pav are both way off on this one. Repeat it all you like. That does not
make it true or factual in the least. Nothing but biased OPINION. Period.
Critical thinkers should be better at removing bias before forming opinions.
Oh! So people can ONLY reply to posts that are directed at them? Where was that in the rules again, z?
"post at" That's awesome.
Look, gentlemen. It's simple. Different people have different experiences. In the experience of Pav and myself AA tends to be very religion focused. To others it doesn't appear that way. But that doesn't give you carte blanc to start calling people idiots and liars. That's over the line no matter how you slice it.
The best option would be to agree to disagree at this point. I'm not particularly invested in this fight, so I'll leave it to y'all to hash it out.
And z? Your troll-bait post was still weak bait. Very, very weak.
If anyone is a troll, you and Pav have proven yourselves as such. You're being here is just more proof, if you don't like AA, then why did you come here and start spewing BS?? Both of you kiddies need to grow up and learn some respect like the adults around here.
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You Never Been to an AA Meeting Surf. Or have even Read the Big Book or the 12x12. And the people who are Disagreeing with you are Active Members of AA.
LMOA
But yeah, your Right. Lets agree to Disagree.
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A non member trying to describe anything about AA is like an urban dweller trying to describe a forest from a kindergarten drawing of a tree.
There is no denying the faith based origins of AA...
That being said... The amount of "religion" I found myself subjected to at NA meetings seemed somewhat relative to who was hosting the meetings. The meetings hosted by churches definitely had a different feel than the ones hosted other places. At the end of the day, however, I'm not entirely sure what difference this makes. I certainly wouldn't call AA a front for religion. It all boils down to getting back out of it what you put into it. Depending on how you go about working the program it may or may not end up having some sort of faith element for you. I honestly think agreeing to disagree is the right idea because in the end, this distinction is really irrelevant. If you find a way to get clean, that's really all that matters.
History of Alcoholics Anonymous - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
That being said... The amount of "religion" I found myself subjected to at NA meetings seemed somewhat relative to who was hosting the meetings. The meetings hosted by churches definitely had a different feel than the ones hosted other places. At the end of the day, however, I'm not entirely sure what difference this makes. I certainly wouldn't call AA a front for religion. It all boils down to getting back out of it what you put into it. Depending on how you go about working the program it may or may not end up having some sort of faith element for you. I honestly think agreeing to disagree is the right idea because in the end, this distinction is really irrelevant. If you find a way to get clean, that's really all that matters.
The above statement could not possibly be more false.
Also, to clarify terms here, AA is not "the program," it is a fellowship of people who have a desire to stop drinking. The "program" by definition is the 12 steps as outlined in the Big Book of Alcoholics Anonymous.
I'm of the mind, does it really matter if its a front for religion or not and I ask this as a staunch atheist and scientifically driven? As far as I know, AA, NA, Al-Anon, and the rest don't discriminate on a person's religious convictions or lack thereof as a matter of course and if that's the case, what bearing does it have on the conversation?
I already said my experience is anecdotal and that I agree to disagree.
Oh, brother. High strung much? You do realize that dropping in to admonish is just as much a derail?
Pretty much, diggin'. Sorry that bums you out, but it's true. I never claimed my statement was anything but opinion. When you asked I clarified. So, what are you complaining about exactly? Sounds a lot like SURFBADMAN! to me.
You're funny!
Complaining? No. Not complaining.
Nope. Pointing out bias is not intended as judgement.
I think quiter, that there are Just Some Questions that we as Humans will Never Know the Answers to.
At least not in This Lifetime.
I'm not trolling in the least. In fact, I didn't even criticize AA. I never said it didn't work or there were bad people running it. I simply stated it's religious basis. I think it's something someone who is choosing a recovery program might want to know about. Actually, it's very telling to me the amount of vitriol that has been unleashed over a simple statement highlighting what's at the core of this particular recovery program.
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