Terminator/Nautilus/Choddy/Oddy Clone Pics, Tip,Tricks and Quirks

[dwcraig1]

Ordered some 16x1. Hopefully that fixes my problem. It's just mind boggling especially since I got it to work before just by changing the stock top mouthpiece o ring to some new 9x2. Mind you, I got it to work after many different builds without any leaks even with the mouthpiece almost completely open before. Now, I can only open it half a turn or less or else juice slowly leaks out from the center pin hole.

Btw, I'm using 3mm silica doubled up at top.

There may have been some confusion here as the poster was asking about Hecules, here are the sizes for both Hercules and Terminator

Terminator tank o-rings are 16 x 1.5 mm and mouthpiece is 9 x 2 mm

Hercules tank o-rings are 16 x 1 mm ( 17 x 1 mm if 16 x 1 mm still leaks ) and mouthpiece is 9 x 2.5

From here: http://ggwiki.et.com.mx/index.php/O-Rings#Odysseus_short_mode_.28new_rebuildable_style.29

 

[dwcraig1]

I guess I'll be okay even if that doesn't fix my leaking problem since I have 4 kayfun conversion kits coming.

It'll definitely bug me knowing I couldn't get it to work properly like before :/

If that is what the problem is, an o-ring leaking, it would probably still be a problem.

I have one Term that appears to very slowly leak some juice out from the top tank o-ring but it doesn't seem to effect any leaking inside the tank, I can't quite figure how that can be but....

 

[Scope666]

If that is what the problem is, an o-ring leaking, it would probably still be a problem.

I have one Term that appears to very slowly leak some juice out from the top tank o-ring but it doesn't seem to effect any leaking inside the tank, I can't quite figure how that can be but....

Speaking of which, what's a good place to get o-rings? BTW, I THINK my issue is an over-wicking one, but it's still good to know. The bottom o-ring on my Herc is starting to show it's age.

 

[dwcraig1]

Speaking of which, what's a good place to get o-rings? BTW, I THINK my issue is an over-wicking one, but it's still good to know. The bottom o-ring on my Herc is starting to show it's age.

Here is where I get mine when possible:
Metric Buna Orings 5.6 x 2.4mm Price for 50 pcs items in Oringsandmore store on eBay!

Over wicking? I wish I get get that happening.

 

[Scope666]

Here is where I get mine when possible:
Metric Buna Orings 5.6 x 2.4mm Price for 50 pcs items in Oringsandmore store on eBay!

Over wicking? I wish I get get that happening.

Yeah, I tend to take long, slow draws. So it's perfect for the beginning and middle, and only towards the very end I start to hear a gurgle... I'm guessing that's over wicking because I only have 2mm pieces at the top and sides (x-coil, one in each channel) ... I think the juice might be going around the wicks because there's room to do so.

 

[dwcraig1]

Yeah, I tend to take long, slow draws. So it's perfect for the beginning and middle, and only towards the very end I start to hear a gurgle... I'm guessing that's over wicking because I only have 2mm pieces at the top and sides (x-coil, one in each channel) ... I think the juice might be going around the wicks because there's room to do so.

That's a good possibility
You might try adding a 2nd piece of 2 mm silica with some of the strands removed and added to the coil with the 2 mm.(just in the top)
2 mm in the channels sounds just fine to me, but not for the top

 

[upsetter21]

"Over wicking? I wish I get get that happening." Haha DW. Can one ever wick too much?

I'll put in a vote for the pressure differential... Scope666, forgive me if you've already stated the answer, but are you using a mod with an airflow control? Since you said you like the long & slow draws, & only get too much juice at the end, I'm wondering if perhaps your suction (causing pressure diff' to advance juice) is flooding your coil. Airflow can impact that. This is one reason a device with airflow control pairs so nicely with these atomizers; both juice control and air control really puts you in the driver's seat on controlling the vape. It's not unlike a carburetor in an old car's fuel/air mixture (minus the choke)

 

[Scope666]

"Over wicking? I wish I get get that happening." Haha DW. Can one ever wick too much?

I'll put in a vote for the pressure differential... Scope666, forgive me if you've already stated the answer, but are you using a mod with an airflow control? Since you said you like the long & slow draws, & only get too much juice at the end, I'm wondering if perhaps your suction (causing pressure diff' to advance juice) is flooding your coil. Airflow can impact that. This is one reason a device with airflow control pairs so nicely with these atomizers; both juice control and air control really puts you in the driver's seat on controlling the vape. It's not unlike a carburetor in an old car's fuel/air mixture (minus the choke)

Yes, I'm talking about my Hercules actually (I know, wrong thread) ... it has air control on it's own. My Oddy gets it from the Chi-you clone. I totally get what you're saying... I'm probably creating TOO much vacuum and causing too much juice to get to the coil at once. I also think the dual wick channels plays into it, as I never have this issue with my Oddy. I also might try Bishopheals trick of an o-ring under the ceramic nut.

 

[JeremyR]

Hey dice I have perfected my Vcore coil and its incredible. The flavor and nic hit are off the charts. I have a modification that too it to the next level. Truest flavor I have ever experienced. Will be starting a thread on it hopefully tonight. Is Vcore a cool enough name.

 

[GoodInk]

Hey dice I have perfected my Vcore coil and its incredible. The flavor and nic hit are off the charts. I have a modification that too it to the next level. Truest flavor I have ever experienced. Will be starting a thread on it hopefully tonight. Is Vcore a cool enough name.

Only if you are a computer geek like me


This is my old PC, I'm still working on my new ones.

Off Topic I know

 

[Scope666]

Only if you are a computer geek like me


This is my old PC, I'm still working on my new ones.

Off Topic I know

Ha! You're gonna make me pull out my new build pics if u keep it up. ;-)

I used a ROG board as well ... my 2nd one actually ... I LOVE 'em!

 

[villarino1k]

There may have been some confusion here as the poster was asking about Hecules, here are the sizes for both Hercules and Terminator

Terminator tank o-rings are 16 x 1.5 mm and mouthpiece is 9 x 2 mm

Hercules tank o-rings are 16 x 1 mm ( 17 x 1 mm if 16 x 1 mm still leaks ) and mouthpiece is 9 x 2.5

From here: http://ggwiki.et.com.mx/index.php/O-Rings#Odysseus_short_mode_.28new_rebuildable_style.29

yeah i kinda jumped the gun on that one but its okay, i bought some 16x1.5 also. I ordered a lot of different sizes for a few other mods/attys that needed some replacement o rings.

but like i said before, Im so confused as to why im still getting leaks. I can open the mouthpiece about half a turn but nothing more. I'll just have to wait and see if the orings for the tank section fixes that. If not, kayfun conversion for ALL of them. I do hope that it gets fixed, I wanted to keep a couple as a term c.

as always, thanks for all the help man. Ive bugged you about this same problem for a while!

 

[dwcraig1]

The 9 x 2.5 o-rings that come with the Terminator seem ever so slightly smaller than the replacements. It's a good thing.

 

[dwcraig1]

I guess I should have posted this a long time ago, I'll back it up a bit first.
The Terminator's flooding is almost always because of the o-ring in the tank top is not sealing against the o-ring that's under the tank top's collar.
If it is because the mouthpiece is off center, the usual situation, it can be centered this way:
Right before you crank down the collar into the tank top to compress the o-ring open the mouth piece maybe an 1/8 of a turn and then crank the collar down very tight the well juiced up o-ring and tank top collar to tank top. This will allow the mouthpiece to center itself as long as it's not really far off for some other reason. This may let the term flood slightly since the mouth piece is open so in the end close it and blow out any extra juice.

This could be done actually anytime after assembly if you feel that the mouthpiece/o-ring might not be centered.

 

[villarino1k]

Looked around in my o rings bags and found a 16x1.5 so I changed that and used another new 9x2 o ring for the top mouthpiece. Same thing, it slowly leaks after opening the mouthpiece more than half a turn if that. I guess I can just keep it a little below half a turn and still wick properly. I'm just frustrated knowing it's not doing what it should. Whatever, I'm done messing with this. I'll wait for my conversion kits.

Thanks for the help dw

 

[dwcraig1]

Looked around in my o rings bags and found a 16x1.5 so I changed that and used another new 9x2 o ring for the top mouthpiece. Same thing, it slowly leaks after opening the mouthpiece more than half a turn if that. I guess I can just keep it a little below half a turn and still wick properly. I'm just frustrated knowing it's not doing what it should. Whatever, I'm done messing with this. I'll wait for my conversion kits.

Thanks for the help dw

I believe you have perhaps four Terms? Are they all suffering with this problem? or just one? And your negative wire is connected how?
I understand your frustration.
The "kits" have started shipping, they are going out according to who paid first, the next wave of shipments goes out on Monday, possibly some went out today but I have no tracking as yet.

 

[villarino1k]

I have two, another on the way, and have a Hercules plus 2 ithakas. The kits will go on the clones.

But yeah both do the same in either short mode or long mode. Tried different tank configurations, 2 metal tanks, stock plastic tank and metal, and also tried a couple of my kir fanis tank in short and long mode with metal tanks.

Negative wire is placed against the channel and stays behind the wick.

The mouthpiece seems pretty straight when looking from the top of the atty but I still tried your suggestion of the 1/8 open, crank the collar slowly. Still a no go. I've tried using petroleum jelly and e juice on the oring.

I can honestly say that I've tried everything that I've read from this thread especially with your suggestions. I'm completely stumped! Btw, everything is TIGHT. I use rubber bands to get a good grip of everything when tightening.

When did you pay for the kit? I think I paid on the 15th I believe. I also read the update from him. Hopefully we get ours real soon. From the reviews I've read, they work very good and a lot more forgiving with the "sealing" that causes the regular terms to leak.

 

[villarino1k]

Oh I forgot to add, I've also tried the Hercules top and small cap with new 9x2.5 oring and didn't fix my problem.

If it makes any difference, I have no leaks or gurgling with my herc or ithakas. No matter what I do with those, they work properly. I'll keep my mouthpiece completely open for days just to see if I get any drops of liquid...nothing. It just works.

 

[dwcraig1]

Oh I forgot to add, I've also tried the Hercules top and small cap with new 9x2.5 oring and didn't fix my problem.

If it makes any difference, I have no leaks or gurgling with my herc or ithakas. No matter what I do with those, they work properly. I'll keep my mouthpiece completely open for days just to see if I get any drops of liquid...nothing. It just works.

Do you mean to say that you put the Herc top on the Term?
There was one member that had a hairline crack running the length of the mouth piece, did you change the mouthpiece as well?

 

[dwcraig1]

If that is what the problem is, an o-ring leaking, it would probably still be a problem.

I have one Term that appears to very slowly leak some juice out from the top tank o-ring but it doesn't seem to effect any leaking inside the tank, I can't quite figure how that can be but....

This Term that always seeped from between the top of the Rampage clear tank and the top tank is no longer seeping, I replaced the 16 x 1.5 mm o-ring with a 5/8 x 3/4 x 1/16 (AO16) it's just a tad fatter, had them all along just never fussed much with it.