The Diketone free tested vendors list

[Mazinny]

Thank you for this thread. Huge service to the community. I typically vape 90 percent Ahlusion and 5 percent HHV, 5 percent Plume Room but I want to see the lab reports. Seeing Plume Room's reports here prompted me to restock those without diketones. I wish Ahlusion would do the same. The fact that they haven't is what has me here. MOV sounds terrific. I might place an order today. Any favorites in their line ups? Any discount codes?

Their classic line is 50/50 and their other lines are 30/70 pg/vg. Which are you more interested in and what is your preferred flavor profile ? Do you like NETs ?

There is an automatic 15% discount if you buy three bottles or more, and once a month you could use their monthly code on top of that for an extra 10 % off.

 

[Randy C]

GM&A Took me words right from me fingers.
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I've had many, many in-depth conversations with Wlad over the years and I believe he is as much a ground breaking chemist as he is a world class mixologist! I completely trust his word. Quite honestly I'm more concerned with the amount of pocket lint I've vaped over the years than Ahl liquid.

 

[AngiBe]

I've had many, many in-depth conversations with Wlad over the years and I believe he is as much a ground breaking chemist as he is a world class mixologist! I completely trust his word. Quite honestly I'm more concerned with the amount of pocket lint I've vaped over the years than Ahl liquid.

What is his words that you trust? I missed the post regarding his test results. I've got 2 large bottles (mango lassi and vanilla cake) I haven't touched in a long while but didn't want to part with yet in hopes he posts some kind of test results.

I always assumed he wouldn't even test.

 

[Luninariel]

It's terrifying to me that there are juice makers that knowingly put things that can harm you into juice, and not tell people.

I may just resign to only buying from folk on this list.

 

[Mazinny]

I've had many, many in-depth conversations with Wlad over the years and I believe he is as much a ground breaking chemist as he is a world class mixologist! I completely trust his word. Quite honestly I'm more concerned with the amount of pocket lint I've vaped over the years than Ahl liquid.

Not doubting you but where do you get that Wlad is a groundbreaking chemist. On their site it states that he comes from a background in culinary arts, no mention of a chemistry background.

Don't Want to come across as publicly doubting Ahl. I have used more Ahl liquid in the past than just about any other vendor, and it is somewhat reassuring that he talked about diketones in their faq section before most vendors where even aware of the issue. I also don't want to upset my ECF friends, some of whom are ardent Ahl fans, but how does he know for a fact without testing ? I had a long discussion with him last yearand he stated that the tests will be done soon, but here we are over a year later ...

I also recall how the non-aros were classified as NETs until one day they just weren't ...

 

[Gauntlgrym]

so looks like Mr. good vape, goodlife vapor, and the eciggity liquid line needs to be added to the master list.

any others i might have missed @Dizzo hasn't added yet?

 

[firephly]

TBDLiquids is now posting lab results for all of their juices-on each juice's detail page, they have posted the lab results for diketones in all of their juices http://tbdliquids.com/

Bombies tested: https://www.reddit.com/r/electronic...ombies_diacetyl_acetyl_propionyl_and_acetoin/

 

[Randy C]

Not doubting you but where do you get that Wlad is a groundbreaking chemist. On their site it states that he comes from a background in culinary arts, no mention of a chemistry background.

I get it.... as much as I love Ahl, there is no reason why Wlad shouldn't be transparent with lab results.. I trust Ahl, but I'm not suggesting anyone else should trust them without seeing facts first. Regardless, this is a "tested vendor" list, so there's no place on this list for Ahl without verifiable test results.

Now, I never claimed Wlad is a chemist. When I say the words "I believe", clearly I'm sharing my opinion. Based on discussions with Wlad, he knows more about eliquid than any other person I've come across. That's it- please don't read anything more into this.

 

[AngiBe]

so looks like Mr. good vape, goodlife vapor, and the eciggity liquid line needs to be added to the master list.

any others i might have missed @Dizzo hasn't added yet?

Didn't someone mention that GoodLife vapors results had a weird flaw? I don't understand these tests enough to know crap but I know I read here or FBs group (similar to what we are doing here) something was off about it. I hope they fix that bcoz they are one of my top vendors!

I get it.... as much as I love Ahl, there is no reason why Wlad shouldn't be transparent with lab results.. I trust Ahl, but I'm not suggesting anyone else should trust them without seeing facts first. Regardless, this is a "tested vendor" list, so there's no place on this list for Ahl without verifiable test results.

Now, I never claimed Wlad is a chemist. When I say the words "I believe", clearly I'm sharing my opinion. Based on discussions with Wlad, he knows more about eliquid than any other person I've come across. That's it- please don't read anything more into this.

OH..thanks for clarifying. I was thinking he might have finally tested. UGH..wish he did because I'm addicted to several of his juices.

 

[Gauntlgrym]

Didn't someone mention that GoodLife vapors results had a weird flaw? I don't understand these tests enough to know crap but I know I read here or FBs group (similar to what we are doing here) something was off about it. I hope they fix that bcoz they are one of my top vendors!

personally i just think it was a minor typo or something.
doesn't change the results. a typo in only 1 of the limits of quantification (they gave 3 and you only need 1) doesn't mean that all the numbers are wrong.

 

[Gauntlgrym]

TBDLiquids is now posting lab results for all of their juices-on each juice's detail page, they have posted the lab results for diketones in all of their juices http://tbdliquids.com/

Bombies tested: https://www.reddit.com/r/electronic...ombies_diacetyl_acetyl_propionyl_and_acetoin/

oh yeah, i forgot about TBD. btw are they any good? have you tried them?

 

[AngiBe]

personally i just think it was a minor typo or something.
doesn't change the results. a typo in only 1 of the limits of quantification (they gave 3 and you only need 1) doesn't mean that all the numbers are wrong.

I found the FB post about it. It was unit measure mistakes, which for a lab, seems to be more than a minor typo. I did email GoodLife awhile back questioning if they plan to contact the lab for a correction and they gave me copies of the report and said I could call the lab. UM...ok, but I don't understand the mistake enough to call a lab and you'd think GoodLife should care enough to get the results corrected.

Here's from Fb:
Well, at the bottom of the report it shows "Limit of quantitation > 0.005 mg/mL (or 5 mg/mL, or 5 ppm)"

It could be a simple typo but that is a significant mistake for a lab to make.

 

[Mazinny]

I get it.... as much as I love Ahl, there is no reason why Wlad shouldn't be transparent with lab results.. I trust Ahl, but I'm not suggesting anyone else should trust them without seeing facts first. Regardless, this is a "tested vendor" list, so there's no place on this list for Ahl without verifiable test results.

Now, I never claimed Wlad is a chemist. When I say the words "I believe", clearly I'm sharing my opinion. Based on discussions with Wlad, he knows more about eliquid than any other person I've come across. That's it- please don't read anything more into this.

Ok I took your statement literally I suppose. Didn't realize it was perhaps hyperbolic. Someone else claimed on the NET thread a while back that Wlad was a flavor chemist, and when I stated that I am skeptical ( you need a Ph.D. In chemistry and then years of experience in a flavor house ) and asked for evidence, he seemed a little upset.

I'm a fan of Ahlusion and believe they do a lot of things right, but I don't take everything Wlad states on the site literally and believe they could be a little more transparent while not giving away trade secrets. Some of their fans lionize them a little too much though imo and give them credit in areas they haven't earned yet. The one thing that bothered me about Ahl is there is not always a clear line between fact and rumor. Suppositions if repeated often enough as fact, result in the spread of misinformation. Very talented mixologist though, Wlad !

 

[Mazinny]

so looks like Mr. good vape, goodlife vapor, and the eciggity liquid line needs to be added to the master list.

any others i might have missed @Dizzo hasn't added yet?

Yeah there were a few I posted about in page 8 I believe that aren't added to the list yet. Dizzo hasn't been around for a while ( busy with the little one ). I did offer to help them with the spreadsheet when I was done traveling and settled in Seattle. I am available @Dizzo !

 

[Gauntlgrym]

Here's from Fb:
Well, at the bottom of the report it shows "Limit of quantitation > 0.005 mg/mL (or 5 mg/mL, or 5 ppm)"

It could be a simple typo but that is a significant mistake for a lab to make.

so i'm no scientist, but you only need 1 limit of quantification, right?
that quote is saying you can look at it this way A, or this way B, or this way C. all 3 are supposed to mean the same thing. 2 are correct though, so only 1 is in question, and that is the 5mg/ml. that why i say it's a typo.
if it said this: "Limit of quantification > 0.005 mg/mL or 5 ppm" then it would be correct, right? besides like i said, you only need one limit quantification.
if it would have just said "Limit of quantification > 5 ppm" then nobody would be making a fuss.

 

[Gauntlgrym]

.....this is just gonna be some "food for thought." please understand i'm not calling anyone or any company a liar. i just wanted to throw something out there and see what peoples thoughts are.

so, is Vapor Shark the only place you can TRULY know if you are getting D/AP free liquid? they are the only place with REAL 3rd party testing. (to my knowledge)

what i mean by this is when vaporshark does the testing on all the liquids they sell, they are not biased, they don't care what the results are. they just do them. a few companies (not gonna name names) claimed the vaporshark tests to be inaccurate, and then showed tests of their own showing different results.

so, even if a company shows their own results, how do we know if they are legit? obviously a company wants the liquid they make to be D/AP free, so how do we know the tests to be true and accurate? for all we know they sent in a sample that was just nothing but pg and vg and said "test this."

after seeing the many companies that show different results from the vaporshark results, or make claims saying "we are D/AP free" when the vaporshark results show different.........how can you trust them?

it seems to me that as of right now, the only way you can really know if your liquid is D/AP free is to look at the vaporshark tests. i mean, not only is VS a pretty trusted name in the industry, but they are also not biased in the testing of other peoples eliquid.......thoughts?

 

[Luninariel]

.....this is just gonna be some "food for thought." please understand i'm not calling anyone or any company a liar. i just wanted to throw something out there and see what peoples thoughts are.

so, is Vapor Shark the only place you can TRULY know if you are getting D/AP free liquid? they are the only place with REAL 3rd party testing. (to my knowledge)

what i mean by this is when vaporshark does the testing on all the liquids they sell, they are not biased, they don't care what the results are. they just do them. a few companies (not gonna name names) claimed the vaporshark tests to be inaccurate, and then showed tests of their own showing different results.

so, even if a company shows their own results, how do we know if they are legit? obviously a company wants the liquid they make to be D/AP free, so how do we know the tests to be true and accurate? for all we know they sent in a sample that was just nothing but pg and vg and said "test this."

after seeing the many companies that show different results from the vaporshark results, or make claims saying "we are D/AP free" when the vaporshark results show different.........how can you trust them?

it seems to me that as of right now, the only way you can really know if your liquid is D/AP free is to look at the vaporshark tests. i mean, not only is VS a pretty trusted name in the industry, but they are also not biased in the testing of other peoples eliquid.......thoughts?

I think what's scary isn't the fact that this is a thought, but the fact that we can legit believe this. So many companies could be fudging or purposely being deceitful about their tests and what they submit to test, that they could in fact do it intentionally just to keep their sales up. Hell Volkswagon is in trouble for fudging emissions tests, whose to say E-Vendors aren't fudging their samples. Honestly, I would go with multiple source theory if they say We have 0 Diacetyl and the second company says they have a ton, tread carefully, after all it could be a reverse plot by the company saying they have a ton to get you to buy their juice instead.

It's the one reason I wish there was SOME kind of regulation on juices.

 

[DC2]

after seeing the many companies that show different results from the vaporshark results, or make claims saying "we are D/AP free" when the vaporshark results show different.........how can you trust them?

This is why I tested Halo Tribeca myself.
And thanks to AngiBe for going in on that with me.

 

[MagnusEunson]

The reality is we really DON'T know host testing is being done - and we can't reliably say any one party is doing it better than another.

That's not unique to vaping and it will continue to be a problem as growing pains work themselves out. I'm surprised companies haven't considered all the possibilities at play here:

• Bad manufacturing and cross-contamination batch to batch
• Diacetyl forms in fermentation and other processes in beer for example, so maybe something similar happens on the shelf here?
• The process could happen within the flavors themselves - before juice use
• Etc.

And who knows what some of these labs do given how many stories are out there about bad labs in all sorts of fields.

It's just a little depressing we won't REALLY know for some years .. and that SUCKS. -Mags

 

[Mazinny]

.....this is just gonna be some "food for thought." please understand i'm not calling anyone or any company a liar. i just wanted to throw something out there and see what peoples thoughts are.

so, is Vapor Shark the only place you can TRULY know if you are getting D/AP free liquid? they are the only place with REAL 3rd party testing. (to my knowledge)

what i mean by this is when vaporshark does the testing on all the liquids they sell, they are not biased, they don't care what the results are. they just do them. a few companies (not gonna name names) claimed the vaporshark tests to be inaccurate, and then showed tests of their own showing different results.

so, even if a company shows their own results, how do we know if they are legit? obviously a company wants the liquid they make to be D/AP free, so how do we know the tests to be true and accurate? for all we know they sent in a sample that was just nothing but pg and vg and said "test this."

after seeing the many companies that show different results from the vaporshark results, or make claims saying "we are D/AP free" when the vaporshark results show different.........how can you trust them?

it seems to me that as of right now, the only way you can really know if your liquid is D/AP free is to look at the vaporshark tests. i mean, not only is VS a pretty trusted name in the industry, but they are also not biased in the testing of other peoples eliquid.......thoughts?

I am not aware of any vendors that disputed Vaporshark results besides Cyclops on one juice only.

From the vendors that self publish I find the results of those who show nd across the board more trustworthy, especially if the limits of detection are low ( 1 ppm ). It shows that having diketone free liquids is a company policy and that liquids have been designed with that in mind. There has been internal testing even before 3rd party testing to confirm.

Some of you may remember the controversy with Suicide Bunny publishing results after it had already been tested by another party, with all the ensuing accusations that they tested liquids especially prepared for AP tests. Three separate labs on two continents found similar results and then SB found significantly lower results on their own test. I know which one I am more likely to believe.