The Diketone free tested vendors list

[MagnusEunson]

I'll throw it up on a wiki page (not Wikipedia) and open it up for editing and curation. That also adds some flexibility to the meta associated with each entry - e.g. people can upload email correspondences as attachments, etc.

Unless @Dizzo objects to me cribbing his material to start from?

I can do that by Wednesday no problem. -Mags

 

[Dizzo]

Updated!
Some I left out because I couldn't find tests.
I have no prob with you making a wiki page from this. I hope it stays truthful

 

[AngiBe]

Thanks for updating!!!

 

[morningdew]

Did post this is health but no responses, I think it has relevance here as well...

so I try and vape only juice that has been tested for at least diacetyl, ap and acetoin.

Looking at published test results I notice that

Company A tests to approx. 0.275 ug/ml. That is I believe not detected above 0.275 ppm.

Company B tests tests to 2ppm, or 2 ug/ml. So not detected above 2 ppm.

That's quite a difference in levels detected at. Both companies return N/D test results.

Note: the 2 ppm result is on extract only and not mixed juice. I guess when mixed with pg and vg the level would automatically reduce due to dilution?

Do folks consider not detected above 2 ppm sufficient to ally most concerns around diketones or is 0.275 ppm the level tests ought ot be at?

Confused...if this is off topic please let me know and will delete.

 

[Gauntlgrym]

Updated!
Some I left out because I couldn't find tests.
I have no prob with you making a wiki page from this. I hope it stays truthful

ok so i looked through, and it looks like the one you are missing are:

Bombies - link is under each flavor on the website http://www.bombies.com/white-gummy-b/
kings Crest - they don't do testing themselves, but if you go to the vapor shark website, they are all D/AP free http://www.vaporshark.com/e-liquid/kings-crest
Goodlife vapor - test results are at the bottom of the webpage next to the "store locator" and the "contact us" links. link to results here: http://www.glvportal.com/downloads/glv_daap_testresults_091015.pdf

 

[Mazinny]

ok so i looked through, and it looks like the one you are missing are:

Bombies - link is under each flavor on the website http://www.bombies.com/white-gummy-b/
kings Crest - they don't do testing themselves, but if you go to the vapor shark website, they are all D/AP free http://www.vaporshark.com/e-liquid/kings-crest
Goodlife vapor - test results are at the bottom of the webpage next to the "store locator" and the "contact us" links. link to results here: http://www.glvportal.com/downloads/glv_daap_testresults_091015.pdf

Just a note though ; two liquids from Bombies have small to moderate amounts and quite a few from Goodlife Vapor. While I applaud GLV for doing the test and publishing results, I don't think they belong in a list of " diketone free " vendors. Perhaps in a list of vendors who have tested, but not " diketone free " as this thread is titled. JMO

 

[Sirius]

Just a note though ; two liquids from Bombies have small to moderate amounts and quite a few from Goodlife Vapor. While I applaud GLV for doing the test and publishing results, I don't think they belong in a list of " diketone free " vendors. Perhaps in a list of vendors who have tested, but not " diketone free " as this thread is titled. JMO

Yes but what about the ones that are working to reformulate?!? Troop and Andrea at TPR for example. I know they are doing that but with her health going south, I guess that has slowed the process of adding a second lab.
IDK?!? I'll stay in touch with them though and pass along what they let me.


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[Gauntlgrym]

Just a note though ; two liquids from Bombies have small to moderate amounts and quite a few from Goodlife Vapor. While I applaud GLV for doing the test and publishing results, I don't think they belong in a list of " diketone free " vendors. Perhaps in a list of vendors who have tested, but not " diketone free " as this thread is titled. JMO

as far as bombies goes..... we already have vendors on the list with small amounts in certian flavors. like charlie noble or the plume room for example.
and for goodlife vapor.....it's only quite a few because they have almost 90 flavors, and about 80 out of 90 are diketone free. then, out of the 10 or so that have diketones, MOST of the 10 are at very low levels.
they only have about 3-4 eliquids out of 90 that have high(ish) levels....that's not good enough? 95% of the lineup is super low level or completely diketone free, and you don't think they should be on the list? seems a little odd. you have a personal gripe with goodlife or something?

 

[Mazinny]

Yes but what about the ones that are working to reformulate?!? Troop and Andrea at TPR for example. I know they are doing that but with her health going south, I guess that has slowed the process of adding a second lab.
IDK?!? I'll stay in touch with them though and pass along what they let me.


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Dunno Rick tbh ...Its not just TPR, Charlie Noble and Vape Space from the list are not totally diketone free either. I don't want to pass judgement on any vendor and how responsible, transparent etc .. they are. I just believe that a list of " diketone free " vendors should be just that, " diketone free " . Even the " scientists " can't say for certain what levels are acceptable. NIOSH which came up with acceptable levels in ambient air in factories is adamant that the numbers can't be extrapolated to vaping. I just think it's a decision each individual should make for themselves, what their risk threshold is.
If we decide to include vendors with " acceptable " levels, or vendors who say they are reformulating it could lead to a slippery slope and " motivated reasoning " by some to add their favorite vendors to the list. There is enough uncertainty with testing methods etc already. Again, jmo

 

[Mazinny]

as far as bombies goes..... we already have vendors on the list with small amounts in certian flavors. like charlie noble or the plume room for example.
and for goodlife vapor.....it's only quite a few because they have almost 90 flavors, and about 80 out of 90 are diketone free. then, out of the 10 or so that have diketones, MOST of the 10 are at very low levels.
they only have about 3-4 eliquids out of 90 that have high(ish) levels....that's not good enough? 95% of the lineup is super low level or completely diketone free, and you don't think they should be on the list? seems a little odd. you have a personal gripe with goodlife or something?

No, nothing against GLV. In fact I like them. Read the above post for my reasoning.

 

[Sirius]

Dunno Rick tbh ...Its not just TPR, Charlie Noble and Vape Space from the list are not totally diketone free either. I don't want to pass judgement on any vendor and how responsible, transparent etc .. they are. I just believe that a list of " diketone free " vendors should be just that, " diketone free " . Even the " scientists " can't say for certain what levels are acceptable. NIOSH which came up with acceptable levels in ambient air in factories is adamant that the numbers can't be extrapolated to vaping. I just think it's a decision each individual should make for themselves, what their risk threshold is.
If we decide to include vendors with " acceptable " levels, or vendors who say they are reformulating it could lead to a slippery slope and " motivated reasoning " by some to add their favorite vendors to the list. There is enough uncertainty with testing methods etc already. Again, jmo

I know where you're coming from brother.. I think a list should be made separate as well. Maybe one totally diketones free, and one that the eliquid tested, but a few with acceptable levels. Problem is, not everyone knows what acceptable levels are.
Slippery slope indeed.

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[Mazinny]

I know where you're coming from brother.. I think a list should be made separate as well. Maybe one totally diketones free, and one that the eliquid tested, but a few with acceptable levels. Problem is, not everyone knows what acceptable levels are.
Slippery slope indeed.

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I would say the real problem is " no one " knows what the acceptable levels are !

Yeah, i think two lists may be the best solution as well.

 

[Sirius]

I would say the real problem is " no one " knows what the acceptable levels are !

Yeah, i think two lists may be the best solution as well.

Factor in fermentation, ( and nobody even knows that with some flavors that can't be ruled out), and you really have a mess. Trace amounts showing up where they haven't when tested before. Not something I can back up because FA and Capellas won't say.
Research, research, my mind is officially blown.
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[Dizzo]

I feel they should be added as long as it is noted that some of the flavors didn't test clean. This way you know the vendor and can only buy the clean flavors if you wish

 

[AngiBe]

I feel they should be added as long as it is noted that some of the flavors didn't test clean. This way you know the vendor and can only buy the clean flavors if you wish

Ditto^^^^ I like is idea. Maybe at the bottom of the list with a notation like "not all are DA/AP free"? Because I'd hate to "miss a juice/vendor" that may have some that are clean. I think, for example, TPRs Angel Sauce tested clean. Great juice, great vendor.

 

[AngiBe]

Did post this is health but no responses, I think it has relevance here as well...

so I try and vape only juice that has been tested for at least diacetyl, ap and acetoin.

Looking at published test results I notice that

Company A tests to approx. 0.275 ug/ml. That is I believe not detected above 0.275 ppm.

Company B tests tests to 2ppm, or 2 ug/ml. So not detected above 2 ppm.

That's quite a difference in levels detected at. Both companies return N/D test results.

Note: the 2 ppm result is on extract only and not mixed juice. I guess when mixed with pg and vg the level would automatically reduce due to dilution?

Do folks consider not detected above 2 ppm sufficient to ally most concerns around diketones or is 0.275 ppm the level tests ought ot be at?

Confused...if this is off topic please let me know and will delete.

Bumping this question for the OP. I can't answer this but hoping someone can

 

[Gauntlgrym]

Did post this is health but no responses, I think it has relevance here as well...

so I try and vape only juice that has been tested for at least diacetyl, ap and acetoin.

Looking at published test results I notice that

Company A tests to approx. 0.275 ug/ml. That is I believe not detected above 0.275 ppm.

Company B tests tests to 2ppm, or 2 ug/ml. So not detected above 2 ppm.

That's quite a difference in levels detected at. Both companies return N/D test results.

Note: the 2 ppm result is on extract only and not mixed juice. I guess when mixed with pg and vg the level would automatically reduce due to dilution?

Do folks consider not detected above 2 ppm sufficient to ally most concerns around diketones or is 0.275 ppm the level tests ought ot be at?

Confused...if this is off topic please let me know and will delete.

some labs just use slightly different ND limits. could just be the equipment they have, or how they calibrate said equipment.

imho.....anything under 10ug is pretty much ND to me.

 

[Dizzo]

on the list I have notes next to each vendor. I believe any that have juices that didn't test clean have been noted. Let me know if I missed any.
As far as the "acceptable" testing, this has been kind of a hot topic. I feel that for now it's really a personal standard. We are still in the infancy of figuring this all out. As time goes on more will come to light. This list is just an attempt to get going in the right direction.

 

[AngiBe]

on the list I have notes next to each vendor. I believe any that have juices that didn't test clean have been noted. Let me know if I missed any.
As far as the "acceptable" testing, this has been kind of a hot topic. I feel that for now it's really a personal standard. We are still in the infancy of figuring this all out. As time goes on more will come to light. This list is just an attempt to get going in the right direction.

Thank you so much for keeping the list update!!!

 

[Sirius]

on the list I have notes next to each vendor. I believe any that have juices that didn't test clean have been noted. Let me know if I missed any.
As far as the "acceptable" testing, this has been kind of a hot topic. I feel that for now it's really a personal standard. We are still in the infancy of figuring this all out. As time goes on more will come to light. This list is just an attempt to get going in the right direction.

Thank you @Dizzo !!!
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