The rare legitimate question for provari owners.

[PLANofMAN]

I think it has a lot to do with the fact that the original LavaTube had "issues" and also people don't tend to get excited over aluminum like they do stainless steel. I remember when the V2 Vamo (stainless) came out, lots of people that were trying to decide between the two went with the stainless Vamo "because stainless threads don't wear out like aluminum ones do." Of course that was before people realized the Vamo would just fall apart long before the battery cap threads were even close to wearing out.

 

[p.opus]

As per the prices, I chalk it up to the retail overhead. As to your original question, I have wondered the same about why no love for the Lavatube?
I've only found two B&M nearby, and neither stocks Provape products. One is Valcano, the other an independent with innoken and smoke tech heavy in their offerings. The one year warranty was the big selling point for me, at 80$ that's only $1.53 per week for a regulated mod...

It's not that at all. In fact my last protank was purchased at a B&M. I need to drive around more, but NONE in my areas sport any Kayfuns or clones and no Kayfun tank inserts or the like. Also I don't see them stocking Kanthal or Wick.

So it gets to the point where you walk in and kinda only have the juice section to look at.

Not to sound elitist, but when you walk in with an MVP and a Kayfun and there's nothing in the hardware section but CE4's Evod's and Mini Protank clones, you're kind of going...what's the point....

I don't consider myself to be an "advanced" vaper but all my friends seem to think otherwise...Build your own coils...are you mad!!!??? What's that box thing....It's huge!!!!. I mean I never considered building a 2.0 ohm silica nest coil on a kayfun as something particularly advanced.....

 

[DPLongo22]

I just pour juice on my chest and connect battery cables to my piercings. Talk about clouds......

EXCELLENT choice... ;-)

 

[BadTrainDriver]

First off, I'm not going to ask you to justify your purchase (like most/all provari threads seem to). If you are happy with your pv, I'm happy for you. I'm not here to poke you with a stick, but I will admit that part of the purpose of this thread is to see if someone else actually needs to be poked with a stick.

I want you to ask yourself something... How many of you bought your provari about the same time as one of those "why did you trade your firstborn child for a provari" threads. How many bought one after a few provari owners essentially either told someone "buy a provari, you'll eventually do it anyway", "it's no more 'just a battery tube', than a Porsche is just a car" or something else along those lines.

I'm not speculating that any of the provari owners around here are witting shills, or stating that provape is manipuating ecf members in a slick distributed ad campaign that conditions you to be their deployed marketing team (but, if they are... it's devious enough that Palpatine would be jealous). I'm not even going to point a finger at a reseller... I just want you to consider how many people actually buy provaris as a direct result of those threads, as I note at least one or two posters saying they just ordered within those threads that I have read (ostensibly as a direct result of multitudes of fervently loyal provari owners coming out of the woodwork, to provide passionate testimonials).

I'm not saying you've been hoodwinked, or that you have been consciously hoodwinking others... I'm not saying that the provari is a bad purchase, either. I'm not debating the relative value of the provari, as that goes outside of the scope of this thread.

But, with this being the largest ecig forum... In conjunction with the startling regularity of those threads... It has to be doing wonders for their branding awareness, and as a result sales.

I'm more interested in exploring if it is merely trolls yanking your chain, or merchants tugging at your (and other's) collective wallets.

What is your question?
I've read what you typed over and over, and there is not a single question.
A question ends with a question mark(?).

 

[dedi]

Well Bad, I am not sure either!

 

[Spazmelda]

What is your question?
I've read what you typed over and over, and there is not a single question.
A question ends with a question mark(?).

I think the implied question was, "why won't you admit that you've been hoodwinked?" Or "How many of you are actually paid shills?" No offense intended, of course.

 

[DaveP]

Provari always makes for an interesting discussion.

 

[stevegmu]

I don't even own a ProVari... It's my Golems'...

 

[Jeremy Haynes]

Went i went to my vv mod i look at the research and read about aluminum threads failing and such. but i sure was not going to pay the money for a provari. i quit smoking and started vaping to save money not spend more. so i purchased the m-vari from myvaporstore. if you add a little grease to the threads(like you are suppose to with any thing that has threads). I have had no problems with it yet if it falls apart i will get a new one or construct my own mechanical mod.

 

[ScandaLeX]

I think the implied question was, "why won't you admit that you've been hoodwinked?" Or "How many of you are actually paid shills?" No offense intended, of course.

Get our my brain!

Sent from a BIG phone.....Galaxy Note 3

 

[EvilZoe]

Like, a guy told me the government, like was making everyone buy a ProVari or have to pay, like taxes or fines or something, like, I don't know, and I bought three to make extra sure I didn't get, like, money taken away, ya know? Like, OMG, duh.

 

[WillyZee]

bought my second black mini on the classies, just now ... thanks Bill

Cheers

 

[zanedog]

Saving really I am. Not for a Provari but for a Gi2. Those things are $300 but I think it's the future of vaping. For us sub-ohm builders anyway.
https://bevapehappy.com/shop/preorder-gi2-70-watt-mod-by-grand-innovations/

That G2 is cool, there's a couple other high output mods coming out.

For Kicks, I hooked the Russian 91 up to my bench supply. I popped two coils and then had it giving a cloud!

The bench top supply only goes up to 12 volts, the Russian 91 can fill the house at that level. Huge cllouds!

You can kinda do the same thing with a mechanics mod, however if you hook stuff up correctly, a Benchley supplyis so much better!

Why mess around with 4 volts and low ohms. if you want watts, there is ways to do it.

My bench top supply amps out at 25 watts, but it will do 20 all day long if anyone wanted it to.

 

[p.opus]

Went i went to my vv mod i look at the research and read about aluminum threads failing and such. but i sure was not going to pay the money for a provari. i quit smoking and started vaping to save money not spend more. so i purchased the m-vari from myvaporstore. if you add a little grease to the threads(like you are suppose to with any thing that has threads). I have had no problems with it yet if it falls apart i will get a new one or construct my own mechanical mod.

So are people afraid to pay the money to get a mod that they won't have to replace every year or so, or are they afraid that once they get a ProVari, they will find one is not enough.....Because that fear is REAL.....let me tell you.

 

[DaveP]

So are people afraid to pay the money to get a mod that they won't have to replace every year or so, or are they afraid that once they get a ProVari, they will find one is not enough.....Because that fear is REAL.....let me tell you.

The market is changing and there are more and more expensive mods to choose from. The Provari line is still virtually the same price I paid two years ago and the China market's prices are rising. Soon, there will be equilibrium.

Features and price points will evolve. I like my Sigelei Zmax V3 just fine. It's a good vape. While I was waiting for my Provari to show up in return mail from Provape repair I used the Zmax. It worked fine, but it has a serious switch and contact issue. Even after cleaning the threads and re-applying Ox-Guard it was constantly turning off or entering the menu or refusing to fire the atomizer. I'd twist the telescope threads and the atomizer to restore contact. Switch bounce would put me back into the menu or turn the device off. I'd get no vape and look at the display and see "OUT OFF".

So, who do I send it to for repair? It's out of the 30 day warranty. Dave will just have to be the technician. It's going under the knife and getting a new surface mount fire switch. Time for the soldering iron and some solder wick to be used to install a decent micro switch.

 

[jimivapr]

what exactly is the point of this thread? I'm really lost. Seems like nearly every provari owner loves the thing, yet a handful of none owners get really upset about that... reminds me of an iPhone. why can't these people move on and find the cheap clone that's so much better?


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[DPLongo22]

what exactly is the point of this thread? I'm really lost. Seems like nearly every provari owner loves the thing, yet a handful of none owners get really upset about that... reminds me of an iPhone. why can't these people move on and find the cheap clone that's so much better?


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They eventually do, and then tell everyone how much better it is than the Provari that they'd never purchase.

"MINE counts PUFFS!"

 

[ScandaLeX]

bought my second black mini on the classies, just now ... thanks Bill

Cheers

Finally someone snagged it!

Sent from a BIG phone.....Galaxy Note 3

 

[RebelGolfer72]

Yeah.

I just don't see $159 for a quality mod to be that expensive.

Agreed. The higher priced mods are generally made in smaller runs, a lot of manual machining vs mass produced factory work, and in countries with higher salaries.

Eg:
Let's for comparison say a mod takes 2 hours labor to build regardless if we are talking Nemesis vs ProVari vs Vamo
In general, cost of employment is 2-3 times the salary, but I will estimate down to be fair.
Also noted, chinese factory built mods are built by assembly line workers, while the higher price mods are done by machinists, which average almost double salary...but again, I'll take lower cost factory worker on higher price mods to not be accused of being biased
I'll only use labor rate, assuming materials are equal (realistically, materials will be cheaper in China, but again, giving all estimation errors in favor of cheaper mods)

Average China factory wage $1.36/ hr. I'll even estimate cost of employment high at $5/hr ...so a Vamo is $10 in labor
Average US hourly rate (Greece/Germany comparable): $23/hr, cost of employment $50/hr. So a Nemesis/ProVari is $100 in labor

I'm sure the difference is much bigger than that, and add in differences in material costs, but at the end of the day, a $150-200 mod (at lest for the bulk out there) is fair....and no one is getting rich off of them

 

[therealmuffinman]

See but price is a stupid comparison and completely subjective. I paid 160 for a signum which is nothing more than a copper tube. Its a mechanical mod. If you want it and are willing to pay the money, then nobody should tell you otherwise.