The rare legitimate question for provari owners.

[DaveP]

$159.95 + $24.95 (2nd year warranty) / 24 = $7.70 per month over two years. If it breaks in that time you don't throw it away, you send it in for repair under the extended warranty. Once it comes back, it works like new and will probably go another two years.

Do the math with any offshore product and Provari wins. It's just simple math with a larger outlay up front that pays off in the end.

 

[DPLongo22]

$159.95 + $24.95 (2nd year warranty) / 24 = $7.70 per month over two years. If it breaks in that time you don't throw it away, you send it in for repair under the extended warranty. Once it comes back, it works like new and will probably go another two years.

Do the math with any offshore product and Provari wins. It's just simple math with a larger outlay up front that pays off in the end.

Precisely, and well stated, Mr. P.. That IS the difference maker, in my opinion. Four units here, all 2+ years running, two of which have taken trips for service and come back immaculately, both covered under warranty. And total time out-of-hand, in each case, was exactly seven days.

They were worth the asking price back when they were "exorbitant". Today, it's a no-brainer.

 

[Gato del Jugo]

So are people afraid to pay the money to get a mod that they won't have to replace every year or so, or are they afraid that once they get a ProVari, they will find one is not enough.....Because that fear is REAL.....let me tell you.

I like my Sigelei Zmax V3 just fine. It's a good vape. While I was waiting for my Provari to show up in return mail from Provape repair I used the Zmax. It worked fine, but it has a serious switch and contact issue.

If I had skipped over my Sigelei and went straight to the ProVari, I would have had no choice but to get a 2nd ProVari as a back-up..


So in a sense, the Sigelei saved me a few bucks -- at least for the interim (mine has the infamous screen & button-contact shift issue)...

 

[Mutescream]

My apologies for how long this post is, but some irl got in the way... Well that and I had to sift though about 20 pages of posts that included geese?!?!?!

Mutescream, to have "sufficient information to determine if the impressive claims regarding them have merit or not" you're just going to have to buy one to have "first hand" information. Everyone else's is "second hand" no matter if they're shilling for the company....or not.

I stated pretty much from the beginning that my interest is not about the provari itself, but rather why there is such controversy over a battery tube. As long as people are satisfied that bought it, awesome. I'm more intrigued as to why some many people feel the need to poke provari owners with a stick.

But I'm sorry to say I do fail to see the relevance of your question, and I'm becoming curious. Why did you ask?

"part of the purpose of this thread is to see if someone else actually needs to be poked with a stick." Whom?

And what is the other part of the purpose?

I simply had a moment of curiousity, and thought it worthwhile to ask why people provoke provari owners with such regularity, as it seems to be pretty systematic.

What is the hypothesis you are attempting to prove, if not what was already outlined? I think it goes without saying that much of the Ecig sales in the world revolve around forums. Isn't that what research is? Gathering information and opinions, and making a decision based on what you found?

I believe that provari owners are being singled out and provoked. I'm trying to figure out why. Many of the answers I recieved in this thread so far go waaaaay beyond what I asked, which baffles me a bit. I don't need/want/expect justification as to why people buy provaris.

I just want to know how much the bevvy of declaratory positive statements from provari owners in the threads that question the relative value of the device impacted their choice to purchase one.

Like most of the previous posters stated already, I was not hoodwinked. It's not even possible to be hoodwinked by a Provari when it is worth every penny. I did my research (which included threads here from Provari owners) and decided that since I had already spent a bundle on junk that is no longer operational that I would spend the money on one dependable unit that will still work years from now. Makes sense to me. Did you get the answer you were poking for?

If only a sigh could adequately be expressed online. I never in this thread, not once, even remotely implied that the provari is not a quality device. That is not what this thread is about. It is about doing a bit of research to see how the treads that do ask you to justify the purchase impact people (and as a result, their purchasing habits). I thought there just might be a practical purpose behind it, since they seem to happen like clockwork.

Then again, it just might be to make people with a chip on their shoulder twitch... Who knows.

I wonder if you've asked a "rare legitimate question for (name of device here) owners" as well? Despite your disclaimer and reiteration that you're only interested in the "psychology" behind threads and types of purchases, it is coming across as flaming. :My 2c:

With that said, I have NEVER been a follower. I make informed decisions on how and where to spend MY money based on the product itself and whether it's the best fit for MY use.

In my journey to remain free of cigarettes, I have purchased some duds causing me to be left between a rock and a hard place. I don't want to be in that position ever again. So yes, after TONS of device research, watching videos and many headaches from staring at a screen for hours, I purchased a ProVari. Not because of what others said but because it stood out as a quality product that would last.

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Is there any other device that the owners of get poked/prodded/ridiculed with in such an aggressive way, and with such regularity? My sincere apology, if you take it as a desire to provoke anyone.

No need to justify anything to me, I simply asked a question about whether or not threads such as the ones I was describing (and that probably anyone that has been here over a week has seen several times) had any impact on their purchase of the device. Nothing more, nothing less.

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Starting a thread about a product that you have no first hand knowledge about and then inferring that the owners of that product have somehow been duped or are under some mass-delusion? That's both ignorant and arrogant....

Please, do not attempt to say that I said things that I did not or attempt to twist what I did say into something it was not.

I stated multiple times that the relative quality of the device itself is completely irrelevant to this thread. I'm only asking about whether or not threads that provoke provari owners influenced others to become provari owners.

Ignoring what is right before your eyes, in this very thread mind you, is beyond simple naivete and trods into the realm of intellectual dishonesty and/or willful ignorance.

Look at what has happened here.

I stated in very plain English, from the inception of this thread, that this thread has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not the provari is a quality device.

Look at how many declarations I have recieved already about just how awesome it is.

I don't care if it slices, dices, hovers in front of its respective owner and automatically depresses the power button for you by proxy via psychic link (you gotta admit that would be pretty cool)... I don't care if it will automatically sense the chemical properties of your ejuice, and adjust your wattage to make your vape the precise temperature that you like (you gotta admit, that would be pretty cool, too)...

I wasn't even trying to get anyone to say it rocks, and look how many provari owners came forth to say it is the most inceredible thing in the world to them since the very idea of vaping was presented to them.

Now, do you really think it would be all that hard to get that same group that is oh so sensitive to any form of criticism to not only defend their purchase, but to go to the extreme of saying it is the best thing that ever happened to vaping, with willful intent?

You know what they say: "Any publicity is good publicity".

I'd like to ask why you started yet another prvri thread outside the provari forum.

Indeed.

I'm not a member of the Provariat, it didn't seem apropos. Besides, those sub forums (such as the one this thread was moved to) don't get much traffic. How often do you bother to dive into the sub forums, unless you are looking for a specific piece of information?

The problem with the OP is that he surmised an if/or statement that does not pass the snuff test:



This implies that we purchased a ProVari either because
a. We submitted to peer pressure from others here on ECF and did it because we want to be liked
b. We had merchants who were pressuring us to buy it either unknowingly as shills, or knowingly as in a B&M shop.

And this is not a valid position statement.

It completely rules out the fact that someone could
1. Perform their own research
2. Compile that research and add their own personal experiences
3. Perform an intelligent purchasing decision based on steps 1 and 2.

And although the OP keeps saying that He doesn't believe it's a bad product, and dances around to appear that he is not being confrontational, he is inferring that the ProVari is overpriced, and that people who have purchased one did so under false pretenses and may somehow be unwitting accomplices in propagating the myth of the value of the product by sharing their own purchase.

Now I don't see anything cultist about telling someone that they should "try one" before making a judgement. In fact I would think that is the responsible thing to do.

A person who tells someone else, "you wouldn't understand until you try one" is simply telling you that words and pictures do not adequately describe the experience of using one.

Like many of lifes pleasures, they can not be adequately described. Can I adequately describe the first time I bit into a Ruth's Chris Steak, or watching the sunrise over the Grand Canyon? Of course not. Can I expect or should I expect anyone who hasn't done so to understand the feelings I got doing those things? Again of course not.

Yet it appears perfectly acceptable for someone to come into a forum such as this, with absolutely no experience with a ProVari and suppose that everyone who owned a ProVari did so because of peer pressure. And if we challenge said individual on his lack of experience with the product, we are told that asking for a common frame of reference is considered cultish behavior.

But for people to continue to come in and make assumptions about people who own a product that they themselves have never owned. And then surmise that we were the victims of trollish behavior to boot. That to me appears a bit

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In itself.....


In any case......It's nothing more than a piece of metal with a button on it that is well built and accurately delivers a set voltage continuously under load.

Buy one....or don't.... No skin off my back....In either case....

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I left this one intact. Primarily because it is such an impressive body of inane and irrelevant text. It is an amazing example of a strawman argument, though. Either that, or you completelty and utterly misunderstood my opening post in such an epically catastrophic manner... That I can not do justice to its magnitude, and must simply bring it forth again so others can observe it.

Let's be clear on something. I did not imply that you submitted to peer pressure, that is your own inferrence so either man or woman up for it (whichever is apropos, and take responsibility for your own thoughts).

The only way that I rather clearly indicated that I distinctly believe is a possibility for provari owners to be manipulated by, is by the chip on many of their shoulders that could only maybe be eclipsed by some of the larger redwoods available in California's forests (slight hyperbole there, not by much though).

I don't care if it is the most awesome regulated battery holder in the universe. I only am interested in whether or not provari owners were influenced by the threads that critique them, and more specifically all of the provari owners that come out in unison to proclaim its profound greatness (as previously stated, whether it is valid or invalid is irrelevant to this thread).

You complain about the behavior of those that critique the device itself in ignorance, and then critique another who says that you are a victim of their behavior. Unless you find it pleasant, then you would be getting exactly what you wanted (and as a result not a victim).

but but but my phone has an internal battery and memory.......doh, maybe that won't help my argument.

I just don't understand why non Provari owners or whatever the object is, feel the need to dissect the reason for the purchase. Seems like a waste of time, energy and bandwidth.

That is because you are just one of many that failed to either read or comprehend my opening post in this thread. The only factor I inquired about, was the impact of negative threads about the device.

So, just out of curiousity... Did you just not read it, or did you just not understand it? The only reason I am intrigued about the impact of the negative threads, and their impact on purchasing habits... Is that I am curious to see if they could potentially be a motivator to poke provari owners with a stick.

Well, its very clear what you are not doing, at least...

Considering the propensity some have to project intent into others around here, you can't be too careful. Apparently I was not sufficiently foresightful, anyway.

People who post threads like this about the Provari often remind me of the story from Aesop's Fables about the fox and the grape. From Wikipedia this is basically the moral of the story:

"Driven by hunger, a fox tried to reach some grapes hanging high on the vine but was unable to, although he leaped with all his strength. As he went away, the fox remarked 'Oh, you aren't even ripe yet! I don't need any sour grapes.' People who speak disparagingly of things that they cannot attain would do well to apply this story to themselves."

I defy you to find a single instance in this thread where I critiqued the provari itself. Should you find such a thing, please link back to the post (and quote it). Until such time, your entire post is a complete fabrication made of whole cloth and bears not even a striking resemblance to the truth. Go ahead, happy hunting. See if you can make me eat crow.

Troll threads were definitely an influence in my deciding to get a Provari.

So yes, I was influenced by threads like this, and months of doing homework to decide if it was a good "fit" for me.

Well, at least one person that admitted that there was some influence from negative threads about the provari. But, please don't blame me for everyone (including you) that decided to come in here to defend their purchases in detail. I didn't ask for it, didn't want it, and actually find it detracts/distracts from the primary intended focus of the thread.

What is your question?
I've read what you typed over and over, and there is not a single question.
A question ends with a question mark(?).

Fair enough, I could have used clearer punctuation... But, the following does clearly make a request for quantification of people that had their purchasing habits impacted by a specific source of stimuli.

I want you to ask yourself something... How many of you bought your provari about the same time as one of those "why did you trade your firstborn child for a provari" threads. How many bought one after a few provari owners essentially either told someone "buy a provari, you'll eventually do it anyway", "it's no more 'just a battery tube', than a Porsche is just a car" or something else along those lines.​

I think the implied question was, "why won't you admit that you've been hoodwinked?" Or "How many of you are actually paid shills?" No offense intended, of course.

No, that is completely incorrect and was addressed earlier in this rather verbose post. Thanks for trying, though.

 

[ENAUD]

First off, I'm not going to ask you to justify your purchase (like most/all provari threads seem to). If you are happy with your pv, I'm happy for you. I'm not here to poke you with a stick, but I will admit that part of the purpose of this thread is to see if someone else actually needs to be poked with a stick.

Hence my tone to answering your question.

Troll threads were definitely an influence in my deciding to get a Provari. ( I read through them and actually learned quite a bit about the device that I was previously unaware of.)
Today my wife ordered it actually, she really wants me to keep vaping
I actually held and vaped my neighbors at a Christmas party. My first impression was, meh, not really impressed with the menu button. After reading through a few of these threads, I started to become aware of the fact that all they did was reinforce the values of what I wanted in a device, mainly reliability. I can build a coil that will vape just fine on my Altoids box mod if I want to, but VV is great for fine tuning a flavor.
As variable devices go, I have only read overwhelming support for Provape products by a bunch of different folks.
So yes, I was influenced by threads like this, and months of doing homework to decide if it was a good "fit" for me.

edited the post down to better 'splain what I meant and why/how I was personally influenced. Forums can seem to me at times like a big playground where all the kids hang out and show off their toys. And kids always swarm around when there is a scrap, it's a curious part of our human nature.

 

[Topher36]

Let see if I can state this from my point of view. I looked at the provari. I liked the way it looked. I read the good and the bad from both sides(like I would when purchasing a car or even a house). I took it all in and as a semi educated human being I chose to proceed with the purchase. I had the pleasure of seeing and using one before my final decision to purchase. Much like I would again before buying a car or house. I liked it. Liked the way it was machined enjoyed the simplistic design. I could care less what some provari bashers have to say about the way I spend my money. Only person I know that has said right is my wife. I will not say that the reviews both on the forum and you tube didn't solidify my choice. However it was not the main factor in my purchase. I think the biggest influence was actually taking the Pepsi challenge next to my eVic. If this in anyway seems like an angry ramble, part is. I do not like others judgment of my choices. I have a Provari you don't. That's good if a lava tube, mvp or simple Chinese mech keeps you smoke free. Great. I like my provari and my wife has no problem with it. I wish people would stay out of others wallets. Guess next I'll be criticized for my choice of getting a hana v3

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[Gato del Jugo]

I didn't get quoted..


That means I must have done something right!

 

[bce22]

Quit on 7/4/12. Bought a ProVari 7/7/12. This device was with my 24 hours a day for a year and a half until I decided I wanted to try something different. Still works every Tim I push the button. Never needed a backup. Not once. This thing is indestructible and it will always be my favorite mod even if I won't use it as much. I've never ever babied my ProVari, ive dropped it and knocked it over hundreds if not thousands of times and it works.... Every time.

When your quiting smoking you have enough things to worry about. Plus worrying about atomizers, juices, batteries, etc. Not having to worry one iota about the device working was priceless to me.

 

[samwest]

I lost track about what this thread was about. I started out with mech mods and bought into the provari hype. I have 4 now and recently bought hybrid mods and fancy atties. Well I have now gone back to my Provaris and standard resistance 510 and 306 atties. Nothing else is necessary.

 

[jimivapr]

This guy is a clown.


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[FearTX]

I really like enchiladas to the point that if it is not brisket, meatloaf (my wife is awesome) or her Italian food I could eat enchiladas all day everyday. With the occasional hamburger of course, and sometimes fries.

I do however really like coconut cream pie, usually after enchiladas.

HTH

 

[Technonut]

This guy is a clown.


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Watch it.. Name calling of any type will not be tolerated..

 

[stevegmu]

I didn't get quoted..


That means I must have done something right!

Neither did I, but my Golem is upset now...

 

[chrisz]

I don't own a provari yet. But your legitimate test question didn't talk me out of 1. Do sound arguments & opinions help you decide on things to purchase? Or are you always the front runner, with everyone else doing what you do? Still uncertain of the intended purpose of this thread? Even after you try to explain.

 

[p.opus]

First off, I'm not going to ask you to justify your purchase (like most/all provari threads seem to). If you are happy with your pv, I'm happy for you. I'm not here to poke you with a stick, but I will admit that part of the purpose of this thread is to see if someone else actually needs to be poked with a stick.

I want you to ask yourself something... How many of you bought your provari about the same time as one of those "why did you trade your firstborn child for a provari" threads. How many bought one after a few provari owners essentially either told someone "buy a provari, you'll eventually do it anyway", "it's no more 'just a battery tube', than a Porsche is just a car" or something else along those lines.

I'm not speculating that any of the provari owners around here are witting shills, or stating that provape is manipuating ecf members in a slick distributed ad campaign that conditions you to be their deployed marketing team (but, if they are... it's devious enough that Palpatine would be jealous). I'm not even going to point a finger at a reseller... I just want you to consider how many people actually buy provaris as a direct result of those threads, as I note at least one or two posters saying they just ordered within those threads that I have read (ostensibly as a direct result of multitudes of fervently loyal provari owners coming out of the woodwork, to provide passionate testimonials).

I'm not saying you've been hoodwinked, or that you have been consciously hoodwinking others... I'm not saying that the provari is a bad purchase, either. I'm not debating the relative value of the provari, as that goes outside of the scope of this thread.

But, with this being the largest ecig forum... In conjunction with the startling regularity of those threads... It has to be doing wonders for their branding awareness, and as a result sales.

I'm more interested in exploring if it is merely trolls yanking your chain, or merchants tugging at your (and other's) collective wallets.

I figured I'd repost the entire original post so that I can write some more "inane and irrelevant" text about it.

So let's break it down shall we?

Your first paragraph states that you are not going to ask ProVari owners to justify their purchase, but that the purpose of the thread is to see if someone else needs to be poked with a stick.

In your second paragraph you ask owners to ask themselves how many owners were influenced by "pro provari" threads. You are a little more eloquent in your descriptions of those threads, but that's basically the gist. You are wondering how many people were influenced by Pro-ProVari threads.

Your third and fourth paragraphs are genius, you eloquently explain to ProVari owners that they are NOT witting shills, that ProVape does not manipulate ECF members. You further explain that you are not saying that ProVari owners have been "hoodwinked" or are hoodwinking others. I have never seen such a remarkable display of double-entendre since Marc Antony's "Honorable Men" speech in Julius Caesar.

In the fifth paragraph you again equate forum activity here to raising brand awareness for the ProVari

And again in the sixth paragraph, you wonder if our purchases were a result of trolls yanking our chain, or merchants tugging at our wallets.

Is that an accurate summary?

If that is true, then this is what I understand from your post.

1. You are implying that the popularity of the product is primarily due to the Pro-ProVari posts that appear on ECF and similar forums (ECF being singled out for being the "largest" e-cig forum)
2. That ProVari owners are ProVari owners as a direct result of trolls yanking our chains, or merchants tugging at our wallets.

This indicates that you do not hold the intelligence or integrity of any ProVari owner in particular regard, After all, as you did NOT say, we are either unwitting shills, manipulative ecf members in a slick ad campaign, have been hoodwinked and may or may not be hoodwinking others.

So while you may find my words to be inane and irrelevant, at least I am not being demeaning and disingenuous.

If you want an answer on why ProVari owners have made the choices they have made, you have enough here to fill a book.

But if you simply want us to consider the that we are low intelligence purchasers that are easily manipulated by others and that we are wittingly or unwittingly manipulating others, then I'm sorry, please look elsewhere.

 

[Topher36]

I figured I'd repost the entire original post so that I can write some more "inane and irrelevant" text about it.

So let's break it down shall we?

Your first paragraph states that you are not going to ask ProVari owners to justify their purchase, but that the purpose of the thread is to see if someone else needs to be poked with a stick.

In your second paragraph you ask owners to ask themselves how many owners were influenced by "pro provari" threads. You are a little more eloquent in your descriptions of those threads, but that's basically the gist. You are wondering how many people were influenced by Pro-ProVari threads.

Your third and fourth paragraphs are genius, you eloquently explain to ProVari owners that they are NOT witting shills, that ProVape does not manipulate ECF members. You further explain that you are not saying that ProVari owners have been "hoodwinked" or are hoodwinking others. I have never seen such a remarkable display of double-entendre since Marc Antony's "Honorable Men" speech in Julius Caesar.

In the fifth paragraph you again equate forum activity here to raising brand awareness for the ProVari

And again in the sixth paragraph, you wonder if our purchases were a result of trolls yanking our chain, or merchants tugging at our wallets.

Is that an accurate summary?

If that is true, then this is what I understand from your post.

1. You are implying that the popularity of the product is primarily due to the Pro-ProVari posts that appear on ECF and similar forums (ECF being singled out for being the "largest" e-cig forum)
2. That ProVari owners are ProVari owners as a direct result of trolls yanking our chains, or merchants tugging at our wallets.

This indicates that you do not hold the intelligence or integrity of any ProVari owner in particular regard, After all, as you did NOT say, we are either unwitting shills, manipulative ecf members in a slick ad campaign, have been hoodwinked and may or may not be hoodwinking others.

So while you may find my words to be inane and irrelevant, at least I am not being demeaning and disingenuous.

If you want an answer on why ProVari owners have made the choices they have made, you have enough here to fill a book.

But if you simply want us to consider the that we are low intelligence purchasers that are easily manipulated by others and that we are wittingly or unwittingly manipulating others, then I'm sorry, please look elsewhere.

Good form. Bravo ol' chap.... Bravo.

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[Coelli]

I had a couple of margaritas for dinner and I'm late going to bed so I skipped a lot of this thread after post 80 or so. Sorry.

A couple of my local B&Ms sell Provaris and (of course) they heartily recommend them. However the posts on ECF were what made me want to buy one. Made in USA, reliable, consistent, durable, warrantied, people who had them really liked them, etc.

When I was looking to upgrade from my starter setup, I was researching and agonizing. I didn't vape to quit smoking, so I didn't have saving money on analogs as an excuse. Since this is just a hobby (although one we like a lot), the cost seemed high. My boyfriend watched me go through my usual research and analysis paralysis cycle and finally said "Just get the Provari, you're going to get there anyway." I still was reluctant to spend the money, so he reminded me that I had a Visa gift card he'd given me a couple of years ago for a tattoo but I hadn't used yet, and I could use that instead. Then I couldn't find it... so he had another one he'd gotten for Christmas at work, took me to our B&M, and I left with a polished Provari. I liked it so much that a week later I bought one for him. Since then I've added a used black satin/blue LED and a new satin silver/blue LED Mini to the family. I rotate between the three of them all day every day.

So whether ECF influenced that first purchase decision or not, the purchase of the 3 other Provaris was based entirely on our experience with the first one. It has nothing to do with anything Provape themselves have done on this forum. I'm considering buying another Mini and gifting my black satin to my mom.

As much as the OP says he's not trolling, I can't really see any other motivation for the OP itself. But then, it seems most of the Provari trolls and detractors have never actually used one.

 

[Kellysleep]

I saw, I liked, I bought.......I then found this forum. So no the threads that are bashing provari's had no influence over my buying choice! I do however get a very big kick out of how worked up non-provari owners get when we provari owners talk about how wonderful our mod are and how the vape is smoother. If they don't like the provari then fine but why does it get under there skin so much that we love our provari so much? The only thing that I can think of is jealousy plain and simple if it's not then they would not care one bit how we talk up the provari to those who ask about the provari!

 

[PLANofMAN]

I figured I'd repost the entire original post so that I can write some more "inane and irrelevant" text about it.

So let's break it down shall we?

Your first paragraph states that you are not going to ask ProVari owners to justify their purchase, but that the purpose of the thread is to see if someone else needs to be poked with a stick.

In your second paragraph you ask owners to ask themselves how many owners were influenced by "pro provari" threads. You are a little more eloquent in your descriptions of those threads, but that's basically the gist. You are wondering how many people were influenced by Pro-ProVari threads.

Your third and fourth paragraphs are genius, you eloquently explain to ProVari owners that they are NOT witting shills, that ProVape does not manipulate ECF members. You further explain that you are not saying that ProVari owners have been "hoodwinked" or are hoodwinking others. I have never seen such a remarkable display of double-entendre since Marc Antony's "Honorable Men" speech in Julius Caesar.

In the fifth paragraph you again equate forum activity here to raising brand awareness for the ProVari

And again in the sixth paragraph, you wonder if our purchases were a result of trolls yanking our chain, or merchants tugging at our wallets.

Is that an accurate summary?

If that is true, then this is what I understand from your post.

1. You are implying that the popularity of the product is primarily due to the Pro-ProVari posts that appear on ECF and similar forums (ECF being singled out for being the "largest" e-cig forum)
2. That ProVari owners are ProVari owners as a direct result of trolls yanking our chains, or merchants tugging at our wallets.

This indicates that you do not hold the intelligence or integrity of any ProVari owner in particular regard, After all, as you did NOT say, we are either unwitting shills, manipulative ecf members in a slick ad campaign, have been hoodwinked and may or may not be hoodwinking others.

So while you may find my words to be inane and irrelevant, at least I am not being demeaning and disingenuous.

If you want an answer on why ProVari owners have made the choices they have made, you have enough here to fill a book.

But if you simply want us to consider the that we are low intelligence purchasers that are easily manipulated by others and that we are wittingly or unwittingly manipulating others, then I'm sorry, please look elsewhere.

I don't want to project motivations on you that may or may not have influenced you to post this...but that was spot on. I'm not saying the OP is a Troll, or that his post had Troll-Like characteristics, or that it was written in such a way so as to provoke a defensive response from ProVari owners...and I don't even know where I'm going with this...

...anyways, p.opus, great post.

 

[yzer]

Sad. The Provari is OK if you want to pass it on to your grandkids for Antiques Roadshow. Otherwise, I'll pass. My guess is Provape will be out of business within five years. Sorry.