To all my ecf brothers and sisters.....please read.

[Colonel]

BTW. Elementary school science.
vaping is not chemical combustion. You are not changing the liquids chemical make up. Just it's physical form. Everything that's in the bottle is in the vapor. Inhale? Ok. But your lungs, mouth, throat and nose do not absorb all of everything. So I don't care if you can smell it tomorrow, it is still there. Just like water. It never vanishes for good. Simply changes state. Put the vapor in compression and condense it. Pow. Liquid. Lower the temperature enough. Bam. Solid. Hence it's called vapor. The gasious form of a liquid.

Has nobody ever tried to guess your flavor by smelling the vapor? That's because the flavor is still there. what else is still there?

Everything about vaping is speculative at this point. Everything. Such as, who made your liquid? Oh. The Vapor Room? No they mixed it. Who manufactured your pharmaceutical grade nicotine liquid prior to dilution and flavoring? If you don't even know who made it, then how would you expect me to believe you know what's in it? And if you do know that, why would I take your word that it's safe? Oh, I should search for vague studies on the web? Sure thing. You're right, I should go spend my weekend reading up on your addiction before I head out to get a soy grande latte at my favorite public place to make sure it's ok that I be there while you're vaping. Because you can't wait for the 11second expresso drip to finish without taking a drag. That makes perfect sense.

 

[ricks]

I will always say its safe until proven otherwise. If all my Doctors say its safe, its safe.

 

[Colonel]

I will always say its safe until proven otherwise. If all my Doctors say its safe, its safe.

Some Dr's still use leaches.

Safe enough for you. Safe enough for me. Safe enough for everyone who's path you happen to cross?

 

[WAC_Vet]

I believe the "second-hand vapor" is safe, I do not know if vaping is safe, but I sincerely hope it is, as I enjoy it so much! I've come to realize that vaping starts out as an alternative to smoking, but it eventually takes on a "life" of it's own. I never enjoyed trying different cigarettes, nor would I ever have considered trying different flavors! I chain vape, where as if I tried to do that with cigarettes, I'd get sick. I vape and eat, enjoying the combination of flavors..... try doing that with a cigarette! I would have no problem suggesting a non-smoker/non-vaper try my vape, yet I would NEVER consider suggesting a non-smoker try my cigarette! I vape in bed, even when I'm exhausted, now how cool is that!!

 

[swedishfish]

Careful Colonel, this thread is not for the open-minded. You'll sooner find the need to defend your opinion against those who might believe that you have no right to think in the way that you may. Those who might say it's more harmful to stay silent in light of vaping bans, most of those who believe that will be first in line to keep you silent on your opinion in this very thread.

That was a touch dramatic, unless you're kidding.

Is it 100% safe? I don't know, I don't particularly care. I'll probably be dead before they ever do research on ecigs then reverse it three times. They just found out this week that eggs don't have as much cholesterol as once thought. Can anyone explain how they didn't know this? The whole argument is nonsensical to me. You aren't, the argument is to me. And a little weirdly passive aggressive. Did you never ever smoke around people ever? I won't even get into the flawed the research is regarding second hand smoke.

Not FDA approved? So what. I remember when Cheney had stents placed that weren't FDA approved. They happen to be now, but they weren't when he had them and didn't seem to have an issue with it. When did that ever stop people from getting a bug up their .... about something being DANGEROUS! Have a conversation sometime with someone that thinks artificial sweeteners will make your brain fall out or that vaccines are the worst thing ever. The idea that FDA approval with somehow validate vaping is a pipe dream.

I don't blow plumes of smoke in people's faces. I'm not particularly concerned regarding the opinion's of non-smokers. They don't want anyone to smoke/vape/inhale anything around them, period. That's valid I guess.
The only reason I chose to vape in public is because I want to expose as many smokers as I can to vaping. First it will save their life. Second, the more people that vape the bigger our numbers, and it's just possible that research will be done. Probably flawed, but done. Or we can get a celebrity that's not a crack head to vape. That usually works.

 

[donnah]

I don't know if it's safe or not.. right now I'm more worried about my battery or carto blowing up in my face than I am with the long term effects of inhaling the contents of my juice. I'm not going to vape in public cause that's just me, so I really don't care if Starbucks bans it. I just go in, buy what I want and leave.

Nothing wrong with leaches IMO... from what I understand, it's a tried and true natural treatment.

 

[swedishfish]

Some Dr's still use leaches.

Safe enough for you. Safe enough for me. Safe enough for everyone who's path you happen to cross?

My mom's doctor is head of vascular medicine at Univ of PA and listed as one of the top doctors in the US. He's fine with her vaping. He allowed her to vape in the hospital. I can't imagine he'd do that if he felt it was dangerous to her or those around her.

 

[swedishfish]

I believe the "second-hand vapor" is safe, I do not know if vaping is safe, but I sincerely hope it is, as I enjoy it so much! I've come to realize that vaping starts out as an alternative to smoking, but it eventually takes on a "life" of it's own. I never enjoyed trying different cigarettes, nor would I ever have considered trying different flavors! I chain vape, where as if I tried to do that with cigarettes, I'd get sick. I vape and eat, enjoying the combination of flavors..... try doing that with a cigarette! I would have no problem suggesting a non-smoker/non-vaper try my vape, yet I would NEVER consider suggesting a non-smoker try my cigarette! I vape in bed, even when I'm exhausted, now how cool is that!!

If everyone is going to wait around for a huge PSA on the 6 o'clock news stating that "Vaping is Safe", it's not going to happen. There's not a natural or artificial compound that is safe for everyone on the planet.

 

[WAC_Vet]

As I sit here vaping, with my xxl cartomizer, my tanks, and my cartridges (am I over vaping?), charging up one Leo while using the other (my 4081 PT, plugged in and hanging in it's spot for that added TH), I contemplate if I am doing myself more harm than good......hmmmm, I've stopped coughing up my lungs, I'm bringing up all kinds of gunk from my lungs, I'm not eating everything and anything in the house (though I really need to, for weight purposes), my Grandbabies don't think I stink anymore (more hugs and kisses, good for one's health)......verses coughing morning, noon, night (waking up to hack up a lung), constantly using my inhaler (COPD), smelling nasty ashtrays (great for the sinus'), cigarette smoke lingering (great for the lungs AND sinus', not to mention Grandkids lungs), getting a cigarette .... stuck to my lip and subsequently ripping off a layer of skin, etc..... wow, this is really a tough one!

 

[Colonel]

My mom's doctor is head of vascular medicine at Univ of PA and listed as one of the top doctors in the US. He's fine with her vaping. He allowed her to vape in the hospital. I can't imagine he'd do that if he felt it was dangerous to her or those around her.

Cool. We can vape at that hospital. When that Dr is there. Well. That is unless a patient asks that we not do it. Then, well, wait, we have a Dr's permission. Right? Hmmm interesting dilemma. One person doesn't mind, another does. At least it won't be that way forever. Not after we educate everyone. Oh wait. It will be that way forever.

Seriously. I have never been asked to stop. So it's not a huge deal. But if someone did politely ask me to not do it around them. Fine. No big deal. This is not a political problem people. It's ethical.

The whole thing about this thread is wether or not to get indignant when you aren't suppose to vape somewhere. If people allow it. Great. If they ask you not to, you can either be easy to deal with and just not do it. Or be difficult and go on a rant about the 'likely' truths of vaping for 39 minutes only to have them respond with, "that's nice, anyway, could you please just stop."

What are you worried about? Your grandchildren being able to vape at the hardware store?

 

[WAC_Vet]

If everyone is going to wait around for a huge PSA on the 6 o'clock news stating that "Vaping is Safe", it's not going to happen. There's not a natural or artificial compound that is safe for everyone on the planet.

Ah, did I say I was waiting around for it to be declared safe? I'm vaping and have no intention of stopping, I just discovered a whole bunch of new flavors!!! I'm looking at the ProVari now, and the Sapphire Buds looks pretty cool.......Where the heck is my credit card!!!

 

[Colonel]

As I sit here vaping, with my xxl cartomizer, my tanks, and my cartridges (am I over vaping?), charging up one Leo while using the other (my 4081 PT, plugged in and hanging in it's spot for that added TH), I contemplate if I am doing myself more harm than good......hmmmm, I've stopped coughing up my lungs, I'm bringing up all kinds of gunk from my lungs, I'm not eating everything and anything in the house (though I really need to, for weight purposes), my Grandbabies don't think I stink anymore (more hugs and kisses, good for one's health)......verses coughing morning, noon, night (waking up to hack up a lung), constantly using my inhaler (COPD), smelling nasty ashtrays (great for the sinus'), cigarette smoke lingering (great for the lungs AND sinus', not to mention Grandkids lungs), getting a cigarette .... stuck to my lip and subsequently ripping off a layer of skin, etc..... wow, this is really a tough one!

The question isn't if vaping is a million times better than smoking. The question is, if Starbucks asks you not to vape inside their stores, do you say ok and order your coffee. Or do you storm out with a fist in the air promising revenge at he hands of boycotting vapers everywhere?

Is it ok for a business to not allow vaping inside their store?

 

[jamminloud]

I sure feel better now that I've been vaping exclusively for several months and not smoking. That's got to say something. And the wifey is giving up more of the goodgood now that I don't stink. That's saying allot.

Don't shoot the messenger..............Starbucks? who the heck has enough money nowadays for Starbucks?..........the one or two times I tried them, the stoned kid making my coffee handed me a wretched $5 brew.........not so trendy yuppie look at me place in my book. But I was country when it wasn't cool so what do I know.

 

[swedishfish]

Cool. We can vape at that hospital. When that Dr is there. Well. That is unless a patient asks that we not do it. Then, well, wait, we have a Dr's permission. Right? Hmmm interesting dilemma. One person doesn't mind, another does. At least it won't be that way forever. Not after we educate everyone. Oh wait. It will be that way forever.

Seriously. I have never been asked to stop. So it's not a huge deal. But if someone did politely ask me to not do it around them. Fine. No big deal. This is not a political problem people. It's ethical.

The whole thing about this thread is wether or not to get indignant when you aren't suppose to vape somewhere. If people allow it. Great. If they ask you not to, you can either be easy to deal with and just not do it. Or be difficult and go on a rant about the 'likely' truths of vaping for 39 minutes only to have them respond with, "that's nice, anyway, could you please just stop."

What are you worried about? Your grandchildren being able to vape at the hardware store?

I'm not worried about anything. You made sarcastic remarks to another poster regarding their doctor's opinion regarding vaping. I was pointing out that a doctor that I asked, who's opinion I respect and to my knowledge doesn't use leeches feels that vaping is fine as well.

But carry on.

 

[mohawkx]

One thing I noticed following this thread is that those who advocate vaping in a Starbucks alongside the rest of the customers all claim they would never go out and hang out with the smokers anymore and be exposed to their second hand smoke. They claim they are not smoking and want to distance themselves from the smokers just like non smokers want to distance themselves from smokers. What makes these public vaping advocates think that non smokers want to be subjected to our vaping next to them any more than vapers want to be exposed to smokers?

I smoked cigarettes for 50 years. Yes, for 50 years I stuck something in my mouth and sucked on it like a 2 year old with a pacifier and did it every 45 minutes of every waking hour of every waking day. In the process I exhaled a vile substance into the environment and generally ...... off those around me with my dirty habit. Thankfully, about 15 years ago society started to remove those with the nasty habit from close social encounters by restricting when and where you could light up a cigarette. I learned to adapt. I didn't smoke at work. I didn't smoke in the house. I didn't smoke at public assemblies. Neither did anybody else. At break time we all trudged out to the designated smoking area and huffed away. Now I've thankfully joined the vaping community. But taken in perspective, I'm still doing essentially the same thing. I'm sticking something in my mouth and sucking on it while exhaling a cloudy substance. No different from the 2 year old with the pacifier. I have the same addiction of nicotine and hand to mouth that I had before vaping. Those who choose to tilt windmills and attempt to convince those surrounding them that this is harmless and they should let them vape in their presence are attempting to put lipstick on a pig and sell it as tenderloin. I've been to the family gathering when 40 relatives and friends have gathered and whipped out my PV. You know what I got back? "I thought you had quit smoking?" "I have quit smoking. This is not smoking. It is an e-cigarette and the vapor you see is just water vapor." "Yeah right. Looks like smoking to me. Good luck with your addiction." "Thanks a bunch, Aunt Mary."
Another factor. The FDA has declared that e-cigs are a form of tobacco delivery and will be regulated as such. There is no way to change this ruling unless that 30 year study is done that proves that vaping is harmless to the user and those exposed to it. The only positive response I've gotten in my vaping experience has been from other smokers who want to know more about it. Those that don't smoke or never have, look on vaping as smoking with a strange device rather than a cigarette. They know nothing about the contents of a cigarette or the contents of a vapor juice. They don't want to know. They don't care. They only know that they would rather not have it around them when they are trying to enjoy their latte.
As for me, I'm still doing the same thing I was doing for 50 years. Stuffing something in my mouth for a chemical and oral fixation addiction. I will not put lipstick on the lips of that pig. Over time, I've learned to keep my addictions and personal falures private for the most part.

 

[Colonel]

I sure feel better now that I've been vaping exclusively for several months and not smoking. That's got to say something. And the wifey is giving up more of the goodgood now that I don't stink. That's saying allot.

Don't shoot the messenger..............Starbucks? who the heck has enough money nowadays for Starbucks?..........the one or two times I tried them, the stoned kid making my coffee handed me a wretched $5 brew.........not so trendy yuppie look at me place in my book. But I was country when it wasn't cool so what do I know.

Lmao. Country still isn't cool.

Seriously though. Maybe wawa or seven eleven or whatever local quick mart you get your morning coffee at says no vaping in their store. Would you still get your coffee there? Or would you tell people to avoid them on grounds that they are closed minded?

Stopped vaping for a bit to watch the baby and feed my little guy lunch.

 

[swedishfish]

The question isn't if vaping is a million times better than smoking. The question is, if Starbucks asks you not to vape inside their stores, do you say ok and order your coffee. Or do you storm out with a fist in the air promising revenge at he hands of boycotting vapers everywhere?

Is it ok for a business to not allow vaping inside their store?

You must have attended the same school of dramatic forum writing that Levitas did.

No one is planning a vape out at Starbucks. They're asking the company to change their policy. It's pretty much the most polite storming possible.

How do you really think that change is possible unless you notify a company that your unhappy with their policy and may not go there? It's been pretty effective in the past with a host of issues.

 

[oldsoldier]

"Fatigues", sounds like you're an old-timer like me.... they're BDUs now!

lol and you've staed yourself as well AFAIK the kids now wear ACUs. the bdu went the way of the fatigues. I miss my jungle cammies...

 

[WAC_Vet]

The question isn't if vaping is a million times better than smoking. The question is, if Starbucks asks you not to vape inside their stores, do you say ok and order your coffee. Or do you storm out with a fist in the air promising revenge at he hands of boycotting vapers everywhere?

Is it ok for a business to not allow vaping inside their store?

I'm a Grandmother..... Except for my vaping habit, I spend my money on the kids and Grandkids. I can make my own coffee, or vape it!

I have never been one to " storm out with a fist in the air promising revenge at the hands of boycotting vapers everywhere", as such tactics get you no-where. I have always been one to use diplomacy. There are always other ways to get back at them.... roflmao, sorry, I just couldn't resist!!

 

[Colonel]

One thing I noticed following this thread is that those who advocate vaping in a Starbucks alongside the rest of the customers all claim they would never go out and hang out with the smokers anymore and be exposed to their second hand smoke. They claim they are not smoking and want to distance themselves from the smokers just like non smokers want to distance themselves from smokers. What makes these public vaping advocates think that non smokers want to be subjected to our vaping next to them any more than vapers want to be exposed to smokers?

I smoked cigarettes for 50 years. Yes, for 50 years I stuck something in my mouth and sucked on it like a 2 year old with a pacifier and did it every 45 minutes of every waking hour of every waking day. In the process I exhaled a vile substance into the environment and generally ...... off those around me with my dirty habit. Thankfully, about 15 years ago society started to remove those with the nasty habit from close social encounters by restricting when and where you could light up a cigarette. I learned to adapt. I didn't smoke at work. I didn't smoke in the house. I didn't smoke at public assemblies. Neither did anybody else. At break time we all trudged out to the designated smoking area and huffed away. Now I've thankfully joined the vaping community. But taken in perspective, I'm still doing essentially the same thing. I'm sticking something in my mouth and sucking on it while exhaling a cloudy substance. No different from the 2 year old with the pacifier. I have the same addiction of nicotine and hand to mouth that I had before vaping. Those who choose to tilt windmills and attempt to convince those surrounding them that this is harmless and they should let them vape in their presence are attempting to put lipstick on a pig and sell it as tenderloin. I've been to the family gathering when 40 relatives and friends have gathered and whipped out my PV. You know what I got back? "I thought you had quit smoking?" "I have quit smoking. This is not smoking. It is an e-cigarette and the vapor you see is just water vapor." "Yeah right. Looks like smoking to me. Good luck with your addiction." "Thanks a bunch, Aunt Mary."
Another factor. The FDA has declared that e-cigs are a form of tobacco delivery and will be regulated as such. There is no way to change this ruling unless that 30 year study is done that proves that vaping is harmless to the user and those exposed to it. The only positive response I've gotten in my vaping experience has been from other smokers who want to know more about it. Those that don't smoke or never have, look on vaping as smoking with a strange device rather than a cigarette. They know nothing about the contents of a cigarette or the contents of a vapor juice. They don't want to know. They don't care. They only know that they would rather not have it around them when they are trying to enjoy their latte.
As for me, I'm still doing the same thing I was doing for 50 years. Stuffing something in my mouth for a chemical and oral fixation addiction. I will not put lipstick on the lips of that pig. I keep my addictions and personal falures private for the most part.

Thank you.