To all my ecf brothers and sisters.....please read.

[swedishfish]

We have a responsibility as E cig users to NOT use them in places that don't want us vaping. Use your head and be respectful. If they ask you not to DON'T. For example that idiot who got upset on the airplane and started throwing bags of peanuts at the employees because they asked him not to use it. It looks bad on all of us.

That person seems crazy. vaping was the least of their problems. They certainly don't make me look bad. You can be respectful and contact a company and express your views, tell them you won't go there if that's how you feel. Maybe it won't change anything. But doing nothing at all, definitely won't change anything.

 

[Colonel]

The official word on PG and VG. 98% of the nicotine is absorbed by the inhalation of the vapor There are nicotine inhalers, nicotine nasal sprays, nicotine patches, nicotine gum, etc., with NO warnings concerning release into the atmosphere from these products.

The only concern would now be the flavoring. Let's take a look at the flavoring.... In a 10ml bottle of Carmel Apple (one recipe), there's 3ml PG, 5ml nicotine (if one uses nic), FLAVORING: 1.5ml apple .5ml caramel Now how long does a 10ml bottle of juice normally last? Can anyone go through a 10ml bottle in a day? It will last each of us a different amount of time, but look at the amount of flavoring in a 10ml bottle! I'm sure someone out there can figure out how many DROPS are in each ml. We are talking trace amounts that MAY be exhaled. If, someone has a PG or VG allergy, then the vapor that's exhaled should not be blown in that person's face, or in the direction of that person, nor should that person be around the vapor in a small enclosed space.

Common courtesy dictates that you should not invade another person's space, so blowing smoke, vaper, spritzing with perfume, etc., should not be done in such a way as to invade another person's space, without their permission. Vapor is short lived, unlike cigarette smoke, so indoor vaping, even with the minute amounts of flavor pose no risk, other than allergy. Allergy risks can not be a cause for banning vaping, as there are so many different allergens that would also have to be banned.

Vaping in enclosed areas, such as cars (with windows closed), elevators, etc., does not allow for proper ventilation. If, you are in a restaurant, there is no reason why a person should not be allowed to vape, as long as they are not vaping clouds of vapor in the direction of others, or their vapor is blowing in the direction of others (which actually makes it dissipate quicker). Most juice have little aroma, a great deal less, then the perfumes worn by many women.

I think I agree with most of that. But it's a question of the people around you. Not you. If they don't want you doing it.

Btw. I have to say this again. Vapor is the gasious form of a liquid. So it does not disappear when it's gone. It is always there and always will be. You may see it. May not. But it's there. It's liquid. The pure definition of the stuff says it's always there. Liquid, gas, solid (ice). It's always there. Most of the chemicals and or flavors may evaporate into nothing, but the base liquid is there.

 

[Iffy]

I can't get over the ignorance.

Then why do you keep coming back with the some ol' same ol'? Mighty defensive, aren't ya?

People don't direct the ethics and morals of their everyday life based on "give me liberty or give me death".

Thankfully, there are people that have and still do!

Lmao.

Apparently you're not laughing hard enough... 'it' is still showing up here.


Get outta here.

You work at Starbucks?!?!

 

[Colonel]

"If" and this is a big if for me because I really can't vape anywhere here especially inside. I'd probably ask first if it bothered someone or if they told me it bothered them I wouldn't. I put this in the catagory of not talking in a movie. Don't annoy people if you can help it because you never know how truly nutz someone is. Are they truly bothered by the vape? Doubtful but when in doubt don't. I'm pretty fit but I doubt if I could take on anyone in a fight. Maybe my 12 year old nephew but the smart money would probably be on him.

We're talking about two different things here, annoyance and banning due to second hand smoke.

This is OT, but maybe a little little relevant. Someone in Parade Magazine wrote to the etiquette person asking what to do about someone that brings fish to lunch and it smells.

The magazine expert told her that the person shouldn't be bring fish to lunch especially if she knew people didn't like it. And that the person that wrote to her should go to HR and suggest to HR that there should be some sort of list of items that people shouldn't bring for lunch.

Really? Isn't there a point where it's up to you (the person that doesn't like the fish smell) to get up and move? In a way, I do feel a little like this about vaping. Is anyone truly offended by my peach juice and some vapor that dissipates quickly? Hopefully there will come a point where we don't have to be vaping mascots and have to take one for the team so we don't give vaping a bad name. But I sometimes think these winey babies need to learn to accept that's how it is if you live in a society with others and unless you move to a deserted island, that's part of life.

Yes sir. I agree.

One slight difference between work and public place. I didn't choose to be in the break room in my office building; it's where the designated lunch area is. I chose that Starbucks to get my coffee. I can leave if I want.

And also, my admin always warns me when she has fish for lunch. It's funny. Of course I would never dream of telling her she couldnt eat it.

But it's a great example. It's not like you're eating something that someone is allergic to. It's fish. It just smells a bit funky. You're not hurting anyone.

I wish it was as easy as it sounded.

 

[Colonel]

You tell me one person that goes about their daily life searching out offense of civil liberties from unjust, irresponsible and absentee tax collectors... One person.

Daily life as in, when they go to Lowes or Starbucks.

Btw. Cops don't do it. They are paid by present tax collectors on your behalf to perform civic duties to protect your rights as they have been given to you by said tax collectors.

Give me liberty or give me death was used in a time of revolution and war. Not civil defense of individual freedoms. Especially not things as trite as using a nicotine inhaler at Starbucks.

And thanks for the insults directed at my ..... Sorry to say it just proves that you speak before you think and would rather insult me personally than consider my opinion. Sling mud? Is that your tactic? Really? Yeah. Lots of people are going to want to listen to you.

 

[Colonel]

That person seems crazy. Vaping was the least of their problems. They certainly don't make me look bad. You can be respectful and contact a company and express your views, tell them you won't go there if that's how you feel. Maybe it won't change anything. But doing nothing at all, definitely won't change anything.

Ok. This may be over the top but.....

A person or two doing something crazy on a plane doesn't place a stereotype on similar people?

Tell me that next time you go through airport security next to a guy wearing a turban.

Yeah. Maybe too much.

 

[swedishfish]

Yes sir. I agree.

One slight difference between work and public place. I didn't choose to be in the break room in my office building; it's where the designated lunch area is. I chose that Starbucks to get my coffee. I can leave if I want.

And also, my admin always warns me when she has fish for lunch. It's funny. Of course I would never dream of telling her she couldnt eat it.

But it's a great example. It's not like you're eating something that someone is allergic to. It's fish. It just smells a bit funky. You're not hurting anyone.

I wish it was as easy as it sounded.

You might like these. Funny!

PassiveAggressiveNotes.com

 

[WAC_Vet]

...may be offended by the "act" of vaping....... That hits me so wrong. Vaping is not an obscene "act" being performed. I get offended at people who pick their noses in their cars, but I would never think of trying to ban it! People who want to ban something because they are "offended by the act", are the same people who are trying to have Government make other life decisions for us, that THEY want. They are not paying my bills, they are not doing my chores, they are not taking care of my family...... they can all go to...... It is a matter of LIBERTY. What right do "they" have to make such decisions for me?

That is probably the basis for this whole banning thing... people are "offended by the act of vaping", and it makes me SICK. My vapor does NOT bother others. I do not blow vapor at others. I do not have my vapor drift past others. I do not blow plumes of vapor in enclosed areas (my own car and home are the exception) where others are. I do not vape like I use to smoke either. I do vape at Walmart, and I do drink at Walmart. Many times I would grab a cold soda, drink it while shopping, and pay for it at the checkout. Not one person has told me not to vape, or not to drink. Due to my condition, I can not run outside to catch a vape when the need/desire hits me. Why should I have to wait to vape? I don't go vaping down crowded aisles, no one is in the way of my vapor. It dissipates so rapidly, when someone is in the same aisle, they never reach it before it's gone!

Bans on PVs, must be challenged, but they must be challenged in an intelligent, rational manner.

 

[Colonel]

You might like these. Funny!

PassiveAggressiveNotes.com

Love em. Ty

 

[WAC_Vet]

I think I agree with most of that. But it's a question of the people around you. Not you. If they don't want you doing it.

Btw. I have to say this again. Vapor is the gasious form of a liquid. So it does not disappear when it's gone. It is always there and always will be. You may see it. May not. But it's there. It's liquid. The pure definition of the stuff says it's always there. Liquid, gas, solid (ice). It's always there. Most of the chemicals and or flavors may evaporate into nothing, but the base liquid is there.

And the base liquid from the vapor is in minute amounts......... It is not like cigarette smoke, that has the burning end, plus the second-hand smoke, with KNOWN carcinogens.

 

[oldsoldier]

"Your right to swing your fist ends where my nose begins" Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr. Associate Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States from 1902 to 1932


Just saying.

 

[swedishfish]

...may be offended by the "act" of vaping....... That hits me so wrong. Vaping is not an obscene "act" being performed. I get offended at people who pick their noses in their cars, but I would never think of trying to ban it! People who want to ban something because they are "offended by the act", are the same people who are trying to have Government make other life decisions for us, that THEY want. They are not paying my bills, they are not doing my chores, they are not taking care of my family...... they can all go to...... It is a matter of LIBERTY. What right do "they" have to make such decisions for me?

That is probably the basis for this whole banning thing... people are "offended by the act of vaping", and it makes me SICK. My vapor does NOT bother others. I do not blow vapor at others. I do not have my vapor drift past others. I do not blow plumes of vapor in enclosed areas (my own car and home are the exception) where others are. I do not vape like I use to smoke either. I do vape at Walmart, and I do drink at Walmart. Many times I would grab a cold soda, drink it while shopping, and pay for it at the checkout. Not one person has told me not to vape, or not to drink. Due to my condition, I can not run outside to catch a vape when the need/desire hits me. Why should I have to wait to vape? I don't go vaping down crowded aisles, no one is in the way of my vapor. It dissipates so rapidly, when someone is in the same aisle, they never reach it before it's gone!

Bans on PVs, must be challenged, but they must be challenged in an intelligent, rational manner.

I could get behind this, but when I hear about the big bad government, LIBERTY, etc. you lose me.

Sometimes, unhappy people are just a PITA.

 

[Colonel]

And the base liquid from the vapor is in minute amounts......... It is not like cigarette smoke, that has the burning end, plus the second-hand smoke, with KNOWN carcinogens.

I know I know.

I had a vendor send me a business card once that had an explanation of ecigs on the back. It literally said that the smoke is "simply water vapor". Uh oh.

Glad I never gave that to anyone at Starbucks. I'd be a liar?

 

[scinsc]

The people around you have the right to go into Walmart without me doing something they don't like. That sentence is ridiculous. This is a classic example of why liberty is so important on this country.

Just because you and I know it's not a health hazard for anyone around us doesn't mean they are not allowed to be concerned. YES. I agree 100%. I would add that the people around you should have the right of not being harmed by you. They on the other hand are required to put forth a degree of tolerance for things they don’t necessarily like.

Do you like it when the people at the mall try to spray you with perfume or put lotion on you? No. Is it because it will harm your health? No. It's because it's plain annoying. I might find that annoying and apparently so do you but to say it’s annoying to everyone is absurd. There are some folks that appreciate it.

 

[throatkick]

We have discussed pretzel throwers, property rights, etc.

Opinions based on feelings, conjecture and associations by appearance remain just that: Opinions.

There is a reason the burden of proof is placed where it is.

I simply ask for the science before bans are instituted.

 

[oldsoldier]

We have discussed pretzel throwers, property rights, etc.

Opinions based on feelings, conjecture and associations by appearance remain just that: Opinions.

I simply ask for the science before bans are instituted.

Bans are usually instituted by opinion. Science often doesn't come into the picture until much later. You also have to realize that the property rights and pretzel throwers also have an effect- sometimes good and sometimes bad...

 

[Iffy]

You tell me one person that goes about their daily life searching out offense of civil liberties from unjust, irresponsible and absentee tax collectors... One person.

There you go again... I never said what you typed. You're now doing what you accuse others of doing.

And thanks for the insults directed at my .....

And your "Lmao" wasn't an insult? Pleeease...

Sorry to say it just proves that you speak before you think and would rather insult me personally than consider my opinion.

You forfeit any of my positive considerations when you insult others calling them ignorant and offering a 'Get outta here.' Too bad your 'consideration' is a one way street. "Thou protest too much".

Sling mud? Is that your tactic? Really? Yeah. Lots of people are going to want to listen to you.

Thus far, you have!

If ya see any of my posts, read 'em or don't read 'em. It's your choice.

 

[gel drops]

Kinda simple for me I vape and vape and vape at home,however since all I own are mods I want even break one out if I think there might be an issue to others, that's just me..

 

[DarthSnoopyFish]

Haha. I am drinkin a Starbucks Coffee right now reading all this nonsense. It's their place of business and it's their right to make their own rules. I am sure that they weighed both sides carefully before making this decision. What would take more effort? Disallowing and enforcing that no PV's are used inside their stores? Or performing crowd control from all the non smoker/non vaper customers who will be complaining about the use of PVs in their stores? Of course they are going to choose latter. I am sure that if the majority of the worlds population were vapers, then we would see a different outcome, but alas, it's the other way around and we are few.

 

[WAC_Vet]

I could get behind this, but when I hear about the big bad government, LIBERTY, etc. you lose me.

Sometimes, unhappy people are just a PITA.

I served my country, swore to support and defend the Constitution of the U.S. Though I have been discharged from part of that oath, the part concerning supporting and defending the Constitution is a lifetime commitment. The Constitution is clear concerning what/how our Government can govern. If we allow the Government to establish laws/controls, over our lives, such as banning VP, because it may "offend" some people, then we are giving up rights. There is something called due process. It has not been proven that PVs are a public health hazard, the interest of the Government is not at stake (other than loss of revenue since they aren't heavily taxed), the only thing at loss here is our liberty.

Where did I state "Big bad Government"? You are making an assumption my friend......