Trust, Reputation, and Proof

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I think your Best Bet is to Contact Vendors and ask them if they do Independent (Outside) Analysis of there Nicotine Base, PG, VG, etc.

Yes, but apparently from the feedback I have received so far for this thread, no one here can point me to a vendor's website and say, "Here is someone that publishes verifiable independent analyses of their product." That being the case, I am doubtful I will find such,

But you are still going to be in the Same Boat.

Because I can do an Outside Analysis and Send it to you. But that does Not Guarantee that the Nicotine Base that you get from me was Part of the Batch that was Analyzed.

That is true and possible, but if I found even one vendor that actually could provide verifiable independent analysis of any of their product, that would go a long way toward allaying the misgivings I feel when seeing lab results without even the name of the lab (in-house or not) on the analytical report, never mind whether the lab is licensed.
 
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I hope you buy your food at the grocery store with the same concern. IMO most of the suppliers of nicotine are way most trustworthy than your local water company. I mean they say they clean it and filter it but what is in your tap water that you drink and bathe in? Do you have any idea? Im all for finding out all the information I can on anything I put into my body, but how can you be so paranoid about these nicotine suppliers, I mean what else do you want them to do? Do you know whats in that box of cereal you eat? Do you trust some over the counter products just because they look like they are healthy or clean. Where do you get your Verifiable proof that coca cola really uses filtered water? or that your tap water is safe to drink or shower in? Or that the FDA is actually trustworthy? I mean they approve asparthame and plenty of other poisons for your consumption. I could go on and on. My point is imo that you are probably a shill for Monsanto or the FDA or some other political agenda. If your not then my bad, but if you study things and really look into whats safe then there are thousands of other things you can be looking into besides nicotine. Most of the nicotine suppliers have been way more transparent than any other business you come across in your life. Its easy for me to see your agenda and I'm sure others see it too.
 
I hope you buy your food at the grocery store with the same concern. IMO most of the suppliers of nicotine are way most trustworthy than your local water company. I mean they say they clean it and filter it but what is in your tap water that you drink and bathe in? Do you have any idea? Im all for finding out all the information I can on anything I put into my body, but how can you be so paranoid about these nicotine suppliers, I mean what else do you want them to do? Do you know whats in that box of cereal you eat? Do you trust some over the counter products just because they look like they are healthy or clean. Where do you get your Verifiable proof that coca cola really uses filtered water? or that your tap water is safe to drink or shower in? Or that the FDA is actually trustworthy? I mean they approve asparthame and plenty of other poisons for your consumption. I could go on and on. My point is imo that you are probably a shill for Monsanto or the FDA or some other political agenda. If your not then my bad, but if you study things and really look into whats safe then there are thousands of other things you can be looking into besides nicotine. Most of the nicotine suppliers have been way more transparent than any other business you come across in your life. Its easy for me to see your agenda and I'm sure others see it too.

First, regarding my intentions, you are dead wrong. What would be my incentive if that were the case? I am merely asking questions; why do you have a problem with that? Are you hiding something? Are you a shill for some shady company or something? No one should be afraid of questions if they are not hiding something.

Second, I don't trust anyone at all. I do not drink Coke because I know it is garbage. I grow as much of my own food as I can. I ask difficult questions about the things I consume, and I always take the answers with a big grain of salt. My life has taught me to be that way. I am sorry that it bothers you so much, but that does not change anything.

Third, no one said I am more paranoid about nicotine suppliers than I am about everyone else. Municipal water suppliers are required to provide verifiable independent analysis of their water; I actually read those god-awful things and look for verification on them. And even then I can only say that I have done what I can to find out if my water is safe. It still might kill me, but I try to avoid that as best I can.

Fourth, what makes you believe the nic suppliers are so much more trustworthy than municipal water facilities? Just because you want to?

Fifth, my box of cereal, if I used it, would contain an ingredient list. Would I believe it as gospel? No, but I know that if they get caught lying, they are in big trouble.

Sixth, no, none of the nic suppliers [edit] I have found so far [end edit] have been all that transparent, or this thread would not exist. Making claims with no proof does not equal transparency.
 
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Yes, but apparently from the feedback I have received so far for this thread, no one here can point me to a vendor's website and say, "Here is someone that publishes verifiable independent analyses of their product." That being the case, I am doubtful I will find such,



That is true and possible, but if I found even one vendor that actually could provide verifiable independent analysis of any of their product, that would go a long way toward allaying the misgivings I feel when seeing lab results without even the name of the lab (in-house or not) on the analytical report, never mind whether the lab is licensed.

There is an Old Say'n... "If you Want Something Done, Sometimes you just Have to Do It Yourself."

If you are Unsatisfied with the Replies you have Received in this Thread, my Advise to you is to start Contacting the Potential Vendors you would like to do Business with. And ask them the Questions your are Asking in this Thread.
 
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There is an Old Say'n... "If you Want Something Done, Sometimes you just Have to Do It Yourself."

If you are Unsatisfied with the Replies you have Received in this Thread, my Advise to you is to start Contacting the Potential Vendors you would like to do Business with. And ask them the Questions your are Asking in this Thread.

Indeed, I have some homework to do. In the meantime, I am still vaping rather than smoking, because I am fairly confident that it is less harmful, regardless of the exact composition and ingredients of the juice I use. I know that smoking was killing me, literally, and at least with vaping, there is a possibility of less damage.

[edit]BTW, it's not that I necessarily disbelieve the vendors' claims, or that I think they are evil or something, or that I have some nefarious anti-vaping agenda. I am a scientist by nature, and I will always look for real evidence for everything I am told, when I am able to do so. I am also a very defensive driver. I have had most of the "faith" I might once have had beaten out of me repeatedly.
 
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There is that "Possibility".

And perhaps the Thousands of Members here might be On to Something?

Or maybe the chargers for our batteries are secretly reprogramming our brains for the zombie apocalypse? Even so, it would still be better than smoking, from what evidence I have gathered so far.
 

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Or maybe the chargers for our batteries are secretly reprogramming our brains for the zombie apocalypse? Even so, it would still be better than smoking, from what evidence I have gathered so far.

No... That's just Plain Crazy.

The Chargers are Wi-Fi Enabled so they know where to Find You when they want to Look.
 

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Just curious, if you're that paranoid and cautious with everything, what moment of insanity led you to begin smoking in the first place? :confused:

You could always try this, it's FDA approved, and I'm sure they have purity tests & batch numbers & such!

Nicorette QuickMist 1mg/spray mouthspray

From the package insert:

What’s in this medicine?

The active ingredient is nicotine.
Other ingredients are: propylene
glycol, anhydrous ethanol,
trometamol, poloxamer 407,
glycerol, sodium hydrogen carbonate,
levomenthol, mint flavour, cooling
flavour, sucralose, acesulfame
potassium, hydrochloric acid,
purified water.
 
Just curious, if you're that paranoid and cautious with everything, what moment of insanity led you to begin smoking in the first place? :confused:

Am I really that paranoid just for wondering what people do to back up their claims? Anyway, I am curious, at least, about everything I do. I want to learn more about what I vape. Ultimately, I want to know who I can trust, and why, which is why I started this thread. The answer appears to be, "Go figure it out." I can understand that, and it is not surprising.

How did I get hooked on smoking? When and where I grew up, it would have been a remarkable accomplishment to not be inhaling tobacco smoke from the day after you were born. Everybody was identified by their cigarette brands and smoking styles. I was smoking at least a half pack a day by the time I was 12. And that is exactly the type of reason why I have learned to distrust a lot of things. Over the years, I did a LOT of stupid things.

And if anyone ever asks, I have to tell them that becoming addicted to cigarettes is the stupidest thing I have ever done. So maybe that's one reason I take this so seriously.
 
Why Close this Thread?

Obviously it is not very closed, but apparently there are people that would rather put a lid on an honest, if difficult, discussion than consider questions that make them uncomfortable.

Does WharfRat actually have the authority to close this thread, or is that just an attempt to stifle it?
 

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Obviously it is not very closed, but apparently there are people that would rather put a lid on an honest, if difficult, discussion than consider questions that make them uncomfortable.

Does WharfRat actually have the authority to close this thread, or is that just an attempt to stifle it?

I think what Some People are Commenting on is your Quasi X-Files Phrasing. And Thinly Veiled Suggestions that there is some sort of Conspiracy going on.

;)
 
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