US Deeming Date Change - Denied
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While this is terrible news we can't give up. This was a policy rider that was not included in the Fiscal Year 2016 Omnibus Appropriations Bill. Don't confuse it with H.R. 2058 that we still need to fight to get passed. Continue to urge your legislators to support this bill. If passed, the grandfather date will be changed.
Never underestimate the power of demand (especially when there is money involved), black markets will pop up everywhere. Not to mention that big black market overseas they call it China. Everything you need will still be there BUT innovation especially here in US will grind to a hault, that WILL suck.
It's not yet a sure thing. The OMB could still reject the regs. Congress could still pass (and Barry could sign) H.R.2058. But if you look at the dynamics of it all, neither strike me as particularly likely.
Time frame is not so important as Market reaction. Estimate 2yrs for full compliance and a total shutdown due to Rejection all applications presented to the FDA for approval with exception of any BT interest
Prices will likely go through the roof in short order for all directly related products.
Nearing expiration, Fire sales will knock the bottom out of what is left of the market place.
What little will remain or what will Rise from the Ashes is anyone's guess, but it will likely be BT related and Prohibitively Expensive.
So you're saying that the FDA's regs will NOT require anyone who mixes liquids for sale to register as a tobacco products manufacturer and submit PMTAs for each liquid variation? That would be good news, if it were true, but based on the latest information available, it isn't.
Oh no... you still will need to register those bottles, I badly worded that reply, on my cellphone. I was saying that it will impact everything and buying a bottle of Nic won't fix the problem.
That said going out and buying a bunch of mech mods, rda tanks and bottles of juice won't help anything. Nothing is going to change overnight. And when the enforcment starts you'll still have access to these things. The future of things yet to come that's where it's really going to hurt. Who's going to want to make new tanks or mods when these regulations go into play? Other than China innovation will be limited.
For me and my friends it will.
Hogwash!!! If politicians put their minds and a catchy slogan to it they can stop anything. I.E. War on Drugs, No Child Left Behind, etc..
(I threw up a little on my keyboard typing that.)
Go for it, vendors will be more than happy to take your money.
Believe me things that are already out there in the wild won't just go away, try telling China to stop all operations because the US passed a law. The issues will come into play later on when we start seeing a decline in innovation and nothing new gets released other than what China puts out.
This is NOT the apocalypse people.
Believe me things that are already out there in the wild won't just go away, try telling China to stop all operations because the US passed a law. The issues will come into play later on when we start seeing a decline in innovation and nothing new gets released other than what China puts out.
This is NOT the apocalypse people.
Sorry, but the Bill was forwarded to Sub-Committee - Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions For considerations. This occurred in early May of this year.
There has been no further release of information since.
In short, it has been totally ignored and will likely Die in Committee.
H.R2058 needed to be voted and passed to the House, accepted and approved to move forward to the full Senate, Voted and approved to go into law and accompany the FDA budget approval.
(I believe I got that close 
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Even though it will be a new legislation, older models are not grandfathered. They still must be FDA approved, now one of the last paragraphs in this article states they have two years to get in line:
E-cigarettes big loser in spending bill
I don't plan on spending a boatload of money; but I do want to have backups in place should the cost go out the roof.
I guess you don't really like Reos, Provaris (yes go ahead insert Provari joke here), or DNA chips I guess you could always buy YiHi. But those chip prices yes expect them to skyrocket.
Two words for you... Black Market, do you honestly think anyone will just stop making stuff? Look at how well prohibition worked out, hell look at cigarettes and those aren't even banned.
No I don't think things will stop being made; I am concerned about my cost to vape going higher. But with all that being said, I would like to avoid a criminal record, even if its a slap on the hand and a misdemeanor.
Sure, where there's demand, there will also be a supply. But prices paid for black market products tend to be high to compensate for the risk that those who sell them take, while product quality tends to be questionable.
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