I don't think its that bad either. I just think we are going to have to spend more money to get the same quality that we like. In a year or two the initial cost these companies have to put forth will catch up with their sales and profit margins, then the cost will hopefully go down again.
Absolutely right.
So don't buy stuff now, while it's still cheap and entirely legal, wait until later when it's much more expensive and involves an element of risk? Good plan, that.
This may have the biggest impact and slow the trend of people leaving stinkies for ecigs. Exactly what big tobacco wants to happen.
Not an on/off switch. The law won't go into effect the second it is passed.So don't buy stuff now, while it's still cheap and entirely legal, wait until later when it's much more expensive and involves an element of risk? Good plan, that.
First who says it will be any cheaper or more expensive later, other than you? Chinese prices will change drastically because a US law passed are you sure about that? Does the US really have that much pull in a world wide market? Keep telling yourself that.So don't buy stuff now, while it's still cheap and entirely legal, wait until later when it's much more expensive and involves an element of risk? Good plan, that.
So don't buy stuff now, while it's still cheap and entirely legal, wait until later when it's much more expensive and involves an element of risk? Good plan, that.
, however this shows a Commitment on the part of Smokers across the country to search out a Better choice. 
Let's suppose the Deeming fails and everything we can buy now remains legal. Lotta jurisdictions are already implementing taxes. See Chicago as an example. So more expensive is pretty much inevitable.
Nope, Chinese prices IN CHINA will not change much. But I have personal aversion against buying anything made in China if it's at all possible, and I also have an aversion against importing stuff that isn't legal.
Ask some of the ECF members in Singapore how that works out for them when their packages get busted. What they get is a notice to appear in court rather than a package. Ask some of the ECF members in Canada how it works out for them when they order nic base from the US and their packages get busted. No, they don't get fined, but don't get their nic either, the money they paid is gone, and every package from anywhere outside of Canada addressed to them gets delayed, opened, and inspected from then on. Those are risks I'd rather not take if I can avoid them.
Why would I need a new kitchen? My nic freezer fits handily under the desk in my home office. It cost about what I would have spent on cigs in two weeks when I was smoking.
I don't know what will happen, but I have suspicions. What I do know is that that right now, compared to smoking, nic base is effectively free. For what I would have spent on cigs in three months, I've got a lifetime supply (30+ years), and that's some of the best nic to be had, not the cheapest.
No doubt depending on everyone being distracted with holiday priorities.You are aware the Budget was delayed, but goes to vote on Dec.22, right?
That is this coming Tues.
Rossum just described me to a tee. Nic is illegal in Canada and they have taken my packages and destroyed them. Vendors have been extremely sneaky in shipping said items but I still get caught. Since this happened my name has been tagged so every package I get gets inspected and delayed. (head desk)
Its the U.S. market they want and yes China does care. If not, they would just label hash and pot with a tobacco products label and ship away!
Where does it say anywhere that the deeming date was changed or denied?Sad time for Vapers in the United States, as well as Millions of Current Smokers. Government Has decided it is Better the Keep Tobacco at the Forefront of Health concerns and Block Tobacco Free Alternatives.
and the rich get richer.
The Rest of the Story: Tobacco News Analysis and Commentary
A tiny ray of Hope still shining:
The Rest of the Story: Tobacco News Analysis and Commentary: My Public Comment to OIRA on FDA Deeming Regulations
Some how, I have lost all faith in - FOR THE PEOPLE
My Backup plan is in place. I was hoping it would never come to this. Like Thousands of other members, I have spread the word, there is a Better Choice...........well, There Was.
Big Tobacco - 1
US Citizens - 0
Think hard the Next you are asked to Vote...............just make sure you Do, Vote.
Great stuff. Ask the kids about something on TMZ and they instantly know the answer.Sotrue
An Example of my opinion on sheeple: Yale!
{Some of America's Ivy League students were willing to give away their right to petition, ironically by signing a petition to lose that very right.
Director Ami Horowitz oversaw a hidden camera project on the campus of Yale University to see if students could be tricked into thinking the country should do away with the First Amendment, which provides the freedoms of speech, religion, assembly, press and petition.
Within an hour of launching the project, Horowitz collected more than 50 signatures from students who were willing to dismantle the Constitution.
Students in support of rolling back America's freedoms said the idea was "fantastic" and "excellent."}
Wake the Hell Up!!!!
Not the deeming date, the grandfather date. An amendment or rider (or whatever) that would have changed the grandfather date from February of 2007 to the date that the deeming regs are published and/or become effective was denied and is not part of the otherwise ominous omnibus bill.
Yes sooner or later prices will go up. I don't see how they can ever make a nicotine product completely illegal since that would squash big tobacco as well.
