Vaping banned at work...
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These kinds of threads have become increasingly depressing.
Apparently, the majority of new vapers openly welcome being treated like smokers.
Let's see how you feel about that when you can't vape at the beach, in a park, or within walking distance of your workplace.
You all better learn to stealth vape.
Apparently, the majority of new vapers openly welcome being treated like smokers.
Let's see how you feel about that when you can't vape at the beach, in a park, or within walking distance of your workplace.
You all better learn to stealth vape.
My wife works for a company that doesn't even allow smoking on work property. People literally have to go out to the sidewalk off-site to smoke.
That led to a bunch of smokers taking up vaping, which is actually what prompted her to approach me about considering it.
Her company is VERY strict about everything. She can only have water with no additives in a clear, plastic container at her desk for example. They flip out on you if you're 1 minute late. They make you attend meetings on your own time, so once or twice a month she has to go in an hour early. It's probably one of the worst places to work on Earth based on the things she tells me.
But people are allowed to vape at their desks so long as they don't offend others with the smell.
With that said, I feel sorry for you over there. If her Nazi company allows it, you must have a serious case of the ignorance going around the management level there.
That led to a bunch of smokers taking up vaping, which is actually what prompted her to approach me about considering it.
Her company is VERY strict about everything. She can only have water with no additives in a clear, plastic container at her desk for example. They flip out on you if you're 1 minute late. They make you attend meetings on your own time, so once or twice a month she has to go in an hour early. It's probably one of the worst places to work on Earth based on the things she tells me.
But people are allowed to vape at their desks so long as they don't offend others with the smell.
With that said, I feel sorry for you over there. If her Nazi company allows it, you must have a serious case of the ignorance going around the management level there.
I work in a privatized Fire/Ems system, from experience, take the information you receive to the highest tier of personnel within the company you work, in my case I went to our CEO even before we had any problems. DON'T be aggressive in Any way when presenting this information, when you educate try to see things from their perspective, you may know everything about E-Cigs, but they are illiterate (ie. uneducated on the topic at hand) and simply need to be informed.
Myself and all converted co-workers are now free to vape anywhere on the premises, just not in our rigs (due to the highly flammable medical oxygen we use, which is rightly understandable.)
Just remember that they may see vaping as a way that you are simply trying to get around the 'No Smoking' policy.
Myself and all converted co-workers are now free to vape anywhere on the premises, just not in our rigs (due to the highly flammable medical oxygen we use, which is rightly understandable.)
Just remember that they may see vaping as a way that you are simply trying to get around the 'No Smoking' policy.
I work in a hospital and it has a no smoking on campus policy. I work in the operating room dept and the other day we were having an informal meeting. I was flipping through a magazine and I heard the girl leading the meeting say that there was a question of using "electronic cigarettes" and the answer was "NO". I never looked up from my magazine. I don't know if she was talking about any of us using them or patients.. I kept quiet. Only a select few know that I vape and only one person (that I trust) knows that I do it all the time in the bathroom stalls.
I have to watch what I "like" and what I post (to others) on facebook because all my coworkers are friends. If the wrong person got hold of the info that I stealth vape, they'll for sure tell management and I'll get in big trouble. So I keep quiet and be very careful.
I don't mind not being able to vape openly at work.. it keeps me from vaping so much and I've gotten used to stealth vaping over the years. It's a relief to get off work and get to my car and be able to blow out the vapor LOL
I have to watch what I "like" and what I post (to others) on facebook because all my coworkers are friends. If the wrong person got hold of the info that I stealth vape, they'll for sure tell management and I'll get in big trouble. So I keep quiet and be very careful.
I don't mind not being able to vape openly at work.. it keeps me from vaping so much and I've gotten used to stealth vaping over the years. It's a relief to get off work and get to my car and be able to blow out the vapor LOL
I have no time too vape at work,too busy,and on my breaks i like too read or catch a few zzz`s...no worries.
It's a shame that coffee and caffeinated products aren't in the same set of "bad for you" products that people consider to be addictions. People who are addicted to coffee walk around freely and saturate their cells with a product that makes them overly talkative, sometimes aggressive, and interferes with sleep.
There's no "same as" stigma with coffee and it's closely associated with the office. It smells up the air in the building and could be considered offensive by those who don't like the odor. Ecigs, unfortunately carry an association with burning tobacco leaves and it will take a long time to separate vaping from smoking. It's still considered "same as" activity by too many.
It's funny how nicotine gum never becomes a controlled activity at work and we've never heard of anyone being told that they can't have a small vaporizer on their desk to increase the humidity in their office partition. Essentially, ecigs are much the same thing.
There's no "same as" stigma with coffee and it's closely associated with the office. It smells up the air in the building and could be considered offensive by those who don't like the odor. Ecigs, unfortunately carry an association with burning tobacco leaves and it will take a long time to separate vaping from smoking. It's still considered "same as" activity by too many.
It's funny how nicotine gum never becomes a controlled activity at work and we've never heard of anyone being told that they can't have a small vaporizer on their desk to increase the humidity in their office partition. Essentially, ecigs are much the same thing.
You mean the groups either funded by or beholden to Big Pharm, the industry that wants vaping banned nationwide and is working hard to make that happen. CASAA has 10 times the integrity than these groups combined. We need to get behind CASAA, support them and get the truth out in the open. Or we can just be sheep.
I wonder how many members who posted in this thread are CASAA members?? Very few is my guess based on the number of CASAA banners on posts. If we don't join and support CASAA, then to a degree, we only have ourselves to blame for the lies being spread about vaping.
I work in an office, a professional environment, and although I absolutely love to vape, I don't think that it appropriate to do out in the open at work. It's just not professional, especially to the extent that I've seen people at work doing it. While we don't have an official policy published by HR yet, I have no doubt that one is coming. A coworker of mine recently got told by our manager that he was not allowed to vape at his desk any longer. What precipitated the event was him walking around with his vamo blowing clouds of vapor while walking around the office, not just at his desk, stupid. I stealth vape at my desk, using my mech in 18350 mode with a aga-t2 and blowing my vapor low, not trying to produce huge billowing clouds of vapor. If we get a notice from HR, I'll just wait to vape on my way home. When I was a smoker, I didn't smoke the entire day at work, I just compensated by smoking like hell when I got home. The reason for not smoking at work was simple. I've been a manager and I have had great relationships with past managers. I know how management feels about smokers, they don't particularly like them. Smoke breaks cost productivity, start adding up those 10-15 minute smoke breaks throughout the day and you'll realize that hours are wasted a week for people to have an analog. They also smell to high heaven after coming in from a smoke break and it's pretty offensive, even to me as an ex smoker.
I agree. Before I retired, I'd go out once every hour or two and smoke. I had that freedom because I was a Tech Rep in and out of customer's offices all day. I had the freedom to go and sit in my vehicle and smoke or go to the outdoor break area.
One of my pet peeves was microwave popcorn in the office. People would have a microwave in a work area and the putrid smell of fake butter would send me outside for a while when they popped popcorn. Even at home, I turn the exhaust fan to high when we pop popcorn.
My take is that an ecig isn't nearly as disgusting as that, but it's not allowed. I'm not so sure that diacetyl isn't still in the popcorn mix somewhere. Anything that smells as putrid as that can't be good for you. The new stuff will still harm your health according to the news.
It's an aside to the current conversation, but the point is that some bad things are still allowed.
Microwave popcorn: (still) bad for you | The Ethical Nag
omg, I swear, there's nothing worse than fake butter smell,,,,
I'd rather sit in a room with 1000 vapers and all their smells than one bag of popping popcorn.
the least they could do is use NO butter pop corn at work.
I guess I'm pretty lucky as far as my being able to vape at work. As long as I take care of business no one minds if I'm puffing away at my desk.Of course my boss still smokes in the office, so vapor isn't a huge concern....
Sheeeeeesh!
I always get a chuckle from reading about the foibles of the 'management by the numbers' captains of industry types. Give them a little responsibility (like a promotion to 'manager', for example) and they become the 'Thought Police". (not directed at the poster, just at the 'management types described, btw....)
I believe I understand statistics (they can be very important), business, and business owners (I ARE one....). I think it has been well-established by now that building people / employee-friendly environments at the workplace yields geometrically higher productivity than the Nazi approach to management. Build a place where people want to work and enjoy coming to (within reason, of course) and people will beat a path to work there.
Then again, cutting out those work breaks will certainly add hours to those productivity spreadsheets that the automoton robots at least look like they are doing something (ANYTHING). I bet that they are NOT! I bet they are shopping for a new career! (Then again, you have their computers bugged....heheh....)
Just think, the staff could be eating COOKIES (God forbid) or something during those 15-minute breaks, thereby increasing the rate of heart disease, thereby increasing your employee insurance COSTS!!!
Banning smoking indoors is one thing, and it's fine. Banning smoking anywhere on the 'campus' is the Nazi Thought Police approach imnsho. Discriminating against employees on the basis of their smoking alone (which is legal last I checked) should be a crime. People should also NOT be permitted to eat anything for lunch with garlic in it, because it stinks.
I would absolutely RUN, (not walk) from some of the workplaces described in this thread! The way employees in the private sector are generally viewed (as LIABILITIES) these days is really horrifying.
Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeesh!!! Rant over for now.
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If I were the boss and corporate didn't issue an edict against vaping, I'd allow it with the exception that vapers were to be aware of others when using their ecig. Outside would be allowed anywhere and inside would be allowed as long as it wasn't used in a way that offended co-workers. There has to be some sort of group sense that makes people get along and show some respect. I certainly wouldn't tell people that they couldn't use an ecig. Just be discrete and satisfy the nic urge without being offensive and in their faces with it. If you sit at a conference or lunch table, ask the group if they mind if you vape. Most won't mind because they are curious. It would be a good way to disseminate truthful information about vaping.
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Vaping at any private establishment is a privilege not a right, just unlucky for you OP, I don't think you have any room to feel cheated
Glad you are a member and being unemployed it's understandable if you can't contribute at this time. More members is the most important factor followed by financial support.
While I agree with most of what you've said here, the fact is, if you work for someone else then you are at the mercy of their way of thinking. You can either be a rebel and try and buck the trends (which usually leads to unemployment) or you can play the game by their rules. I get paid well, I'm well liked at work and like the majority of people that I work with. I also have a family and a mortgage to pay, I choose to play the game by their rules and think about anything that I do in my work environment that may offend my coworkers or clients.
When I first started vaping, it was never a thought to vape out in the open, walking around the office with huge clouds of vapor trailing me. It just smacks of being unprofessional and showing zero regard for your coworkers. While we understand vaping and the fact that there is very little to no chance that it affects that people around us, unlike smoking analogs, most people do not. Now you can choose to bring it out to the forefront to "educate" folks, but the fact is, most people will see it as you trying to shove your lifestyle or decisions down their throats.
I speak from personal experience, being the guy that folks come to when they are offended. You would simply be amazed at what some people will find offensive and complain about.
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