Vaping regulation opinions

[zoiDman]

... My question is how people feel about the people in our community that have been abusing the situation. For exaple, vuse and blu seem to think it's ok to make vaping commercials. ...

I Don't have any problems with the Current Blu or Vuse commercials.

And I Don't see them Casting any Bad Slant on e-Cigarettes or Anything that I would say they are being Aimed at Minors.

I wouldn't recommend that someone buy a Blu or a Vuse. But they are Exposing people who Want to Quit to e-Cigarettes in General. And that, inandof itself I think is Very Positive.

Not Exactly sure why anyone would have a Problem with them?

 

[vlodato]

I Don't have any problems with the Current Blu or Vuse commercials.

And I Don't see them Casting any Bad Slant on e-Cigarettes or Anything that I would say they are being Aimed at Minors.

I wouldn't recommend that someone buy a Blu or a Vuse. But they are Exposing people who Want to Quit to e-Cigarettes in General. And that, inandof itself I think is Very Positive.

Not Exactly sure why anyone would have a Problem with them?

It's fine that people don't see the issue. But when the only thing you can buy in a store is a blu or fuse ecig, don't come crying. People aren't seeing what's going on. They love vaping so much they get blinded, just because it's something we love doesn't me we have to have a blind eye to certain things. For example I was watching a video of a vape meet where an un named vendor was throwing glass eliquid bottles into a crowd of people. Or a booth that has strippers and hookers handing out ejuice. We have to draw a line somewhere.

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[ENAUD]

We definitely agree on a lot of things. But I'm a big proponent that nothing that is specific to adults should he advertised because it sends the wrong message and vaping should be included. I'm just frustrated because I feel torn between defending something I feel strongly about but also feel strongly about advertisements and how they have more then gotten out of hand (not vaping specifically but drugs across the board). You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself turn into the villian. Fighting for vaping can save lives but at what point do we just sound like we are pushing our own selfish agenda.

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We have many agendas shoved down our throats every single time we turn on the TV, read a magazine or newsprint. The right to access media through advertising should not be restricted for any and all legal products or activities. The consumer should, perhaps be informed of any potential consequences or liabilities, but I see restrictions on marketing any legal product or activities as cencorship and market manipulation by the government.

 

[Racehorse]

Not Exactly sure why anyone would have a Problem with them?

Because there's a compulsion to find somebody to blame and scapegoat?

So far it's the FDA, the CDC, WHO, any doctor, any dentist, journalists, any one who votes for [insert political party here]...... and yes, even other vapers and other harm reduction advocates.

May as well add Vuse and Blu as being *evil*.

Back in 2012 when I was trying to quit smoking adn started vaping, it was all about helping people get off smokes. I still feel the same way.....I don't care WHAT people use to quit. It's all about harm reduction and quitting smoking, which we KNOW isn't good for our bodies, and may actually hasten our death/serious health problems.

(Chantix actually worked great for me and kept me cig free for 5 years before vaping existed, and my brother tried vaping and switched to nic gum and has been smoke free for 3 years).

Snus, vaping, gum, lozenges, patches, chantix, wellbutrin, cold turkey, the gas station cig-a-like, or Allen Carr's the Easyway to Quit Smoking book...............I really don't care what people choose.

(After all, isn't it all about CHOICE and FREEDOM anyway, or have we become vape-snobs and this is the only acceptable way to get off smoking now??? )

 

[vlodato]

We have many agendas shoved down our throats every single time we turn on the TV, read a magazine or newsprint. The right to access media through advertising should not be restricted for any and all legal products or activities. The consumer should, perhaps be informed of any potential consequences or liabilities, but I see restrictions on marketing any legal product or activities as cencorship and market manipulation by the government.

Go on youtube and watch commercials from the companies in talking about. There are no regulations on what they can or can't say. There's no battery safety info there's no nicotine safety info. We can't ignore nicotine poisoning has more then quadrupled, though not deadly it's something people need to be warned about. Like obviously the majority of people on here are probably smart educated people. Unfortunately we live in a world where kids will put alcohol you know where because it seems like a good idea. We have to be more closed minded in some situation, we can't live like hippies unfortunately.

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[Robino1]

Would one feel that a vaping commercial was bad if it was done by an independent manufacturer rather than a BT company?

Or is the inability to look at the product by itself, and not who is behind the product, hindering the open mind?

As long as the commercials are not being aired on stations that are catering to the younger audience, I don't see it as a bad thing. There are rules that need to be followed, that are already in place, for the times 'adult' commercials are aired on the major stations. Most of the 'adult' commercials are run when the parent, in theory, are home to supervise what their kids watch. Or when kids, theoretically again, are in bed.

I say give the responsibility to parent back to the parent. Quit making it easy for the parent. Parenting is hard. I get that. I had to be a parent to my kids and censored what they watched on TV. They also had a bedtime and no TV in their bedroom. What they watched on TV was watched as a family.

 

[Robino1]

There are no regulations on what they can or can't say.

Except: They cannot say that E-cigarettes can help you quit smoking. They cannot even say that they will help you cut back cigarette consumption.

Those are the two things that E-cigarettes Can do.

 

[sofarsogood]

Somebody who might know better please correct me if I'm wrong about the following. There is a constitutional issue, freedom of speech, which applles to people who advocate vaping as sellers of products. The way I understand it tobacco advertising was not banned by law. I believe it was the result of negotiations between tobacco companies and governments as parties to a civil law suit. Another result of that lawsuit I believe was the Master Settlement Agreement that has the tobacco companies paying money to the States who were party to the lawsuit. Ecig makers were not involved in that so they aren't bound by it's conditions.

I don't watch TV so I've never seen a cigalike commercial.

 

[zoiDman]

It's fine that people don't see the issue. But when the only thing you can buy in a store is a blu or fuse ecig, don't come crying. People aren't seeing what's going on. They love vaping so much they get blinded, just because it's something we love doesn't me we have to have a blind eye to certain things. For example I was watching a video of a vape meet where an un named vendor was throwing glass eliquid bottles into a crowd of people. Or a booth that has strippers and hookers handing out ejuice. We have to draw a line somewhere.

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I think you kinda have a Jumble of Issues all Smashed into One Post.

I also think Many People are Not seeing what is Going On. If by going on, you are Referring to the coming FDA Regulations. But I don't believe the Blame for this is on Blu and or Vuse commercials. Are B&M's and Online Retailers doing Everything they can to Inform the Uninformed?

And where some may Call the Girls at Vape Shows who hand out samples "Strippers" and "Hookers", I think that is Kinda Derogatory to Most who are just Wearing what they would Wear when they go to Clubs. Or a Company T-Shirt and a tight pair of Jeans.

 

[ENAUD]

Go on youtube and watch commercials from the companies in talking about. There are no regulations on what they can or can't say. There's no battery safety info there's no nicotine safety info. We can't ignore nicotine poisoning has more then quadrupled, though not deadly it's something people need to be warned about. Like obviously the majority of people on here are probably smart educated people. Unfortunately we live in a world where kids will put alcohol you know where because it seems like a good idea. We have to be more closed minded in some situation, we can't live like hippies unfortunately.

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Yeah, I think I covered that in the informing of potential consequences and liabilities bit...

And about them hippies, Yeah, they were absolutely right about so many things, many of which have become socially accepted and endorsed...

 

[curiousJan]

I truly feel vaping is a safe alternative to smoking. By definition any hobby can be considered addicting especially when we're talking about products containing nicotine. Just depends on your definition of addicting.

So what regulations should apply to credit cards? A limit on the number that an individual can have? A total credit debt limit? What limitations and regulations on credit institutions?

Shopping addictions are real. The social expectations that drive the 'keeping up with the Jones' are very real, too. The country still hasn't recovered from the economic crisis that resulted from the mortgage banking industry boondoggle. Yet no regulations make it through to fix that gaping whole.

Belive me man, we are on the same side. I want vaping to stay. But I also think we need to understand that even though we may think these companies are here because they love us and they want to help us. They want to make big profits and if that means cutting corners and using products that are not fully tested they will. We should always assume if a company is able to get away with it they will.

Why should we assume that? There are a lot of smaller businesses that were founded by fellow vapers. They understand the potentially devastating consequences that cutting corners could create ... both for the people that are their customers and for the industry as a whole.

We definitely agree on a lot of things. But I'm a big proponent that nothing that is specific to adults should he advertised because it sends the wrong message and vaping should be included. I'm just frustrated because I feel torn between defending something I feel strongly about but also feel strongly about advertisements and how they have more then gotten out of hand (not vaping specifically but drugs across the board). You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself turn into the villian. Fighting for vaping can save lives but at what point do we just sound like we are pushing our own selfish agenda.

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I sincerely hope that I've misinterpreted a correlation between vaping and drugs, either illicit or prescription. I happen to agree with you that pharmaceutical drugs should not be advertised, mainly because the resultant revenue is not directed at R&D but instead toward someone's pocket and because any newly suggested treatment should be a matter of discussion and decision between a patient and physician.

I'm not pushing an agenda; I'm defending my right to something that may well have saved my life. If actual evidence of a significant risk can be produced I will change my stance. Until then the powers that be can take their demands for the proof of a negative and cries of "what about the children" and shove them where they'll see no sun. I'm tired of giving up liberties in the name of security when the security is a sham.

 

[Robino1]

I think you kinda have a Jumble of Issues all Smashed into One Post.

I also think Many People are Not seeing what is Going On. If by going on, you are Referring to the coming FDA Regulations. But I don't believe the Blame for this is on Blu and or Vuse commercials. Are B&M's and Online Retailers doing Everything they can to Inform the Uninformed?

And where some may Call the Girls at Vape Shows who hand out samples "Strippers" and "Hookers", I think that is Kinda Derogatory to Most who are just Wearing what they would Wear when they go to Clubs. Or a Company T-Shirt and a tight pair of Jeans.

Sorry to inform you, Zoid, there were a few vape events where there were some that were hired to use poles and dance and I have seen some pictures (which have needed to be removed from ECF) where ummm body painting barely covered their .... assets shall we say?

 

[vlodato]

I think you kinda have a Jumble of Issues all Smashed into One Post.

I also think Many People are Not seeing what is Going On. If by going on, you are Referring to the coming FDA Regulations. But I don't believe the Blame for this is on Blu and or Vuse commercials. Are B&M's and Online Retailers doing Everything they can to Inform the Uninformed?

And where some may Call the Girls at Vape Shows who hand out samples "Strippers" and "Hookers", I think that is Kinda Derogatory to Most who are just Wearing what they would Wear when they go to Clubs. Or a Company T-Shirt and a tight pair of Jeans.

I'm speaking to a specific even that it was already adressed, they were in fact strippers hired to advertise in their booth. I'm would never put woman down, I'm just being honest here. And I made this post more for a discussion rather then a specific issue so we can hopefully discuss some issues. Hopefully I didn't offend you when I said strippers, like I said, they were in fact strippers. Imo is a perfectly fine occupation but has no place in a vape meet, just like it has no place in a car meet. If anything I would think you would be offended that they stooped that low to sell their product.

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[zoiDman]

Because there's a compulsion to find somebody to blame and scapegoat?

...

You have to Admit, Tobacco Companies make Good Punching Bags.

 

[vlodato]

So what regulations should apply to credit cards? A limit on the number that an individual can have? A total credit debt limit? What limitations and regulations on credit institutions?

Shopping addictions are real. The social expectations that drive the 'keeping up with the Jones' are very real, too. The country still hasn't recovered from the economic crisis that resulted from the mortgage banking industry boondoggle. Yet no regulations make it through to fix that gaping whole.



Why should we assume that? There are a lot of smaller businesses that were founded by fellow vapers. They understand the potentially devastating consequences that cutting corners could create ... both for the people that are their customers and for the industry as a whole.



I sincerely hope that I've misinterpreted a correlation between vaping and drugs, either illicit or prescription. I happen to agree with you that pharmaceutical drugs should not be advertised, mainly because the resultant revenue is not directed at R&D but instead toward someone's pocket and because any newly suggested treatment should be a matter of discussion and decision between a patient and physician.

I'm not pushing an agenda; I'm defending my right to something that may well have saved my life. If actual evidence of a significant risk can be produced I will change my stance. Until then the powers that be can take their demands for the proof of a negative and cries of "what about the children" and shove them where they'll see no sun. I'm tired of giving up liberties in the name of security when the security is a sham.

You made a lot of good points. There are hundreds of thousands of people across the country that not only are living above their means but also have mortgages that they might not be able to afford. People give out loans because they expect you to default. Banks loan you money to buy a house because they are banking (no pun intended ) on you missing a payment and losing the house. This correlates really into my argument that unfortunately we live in a world where many adults can not make educated decisions. Instead of doing their own research they read other people's opinions and take them as fact. There's too much misinformation in vaping and I think we know much less then what we think we do. But hindsight is always 20/20. You made a lot of good pints and I appreciate your input.

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[Canadian_Vaper]

Not sure if this is the right place. I'm wondering how others feel about this particular subject. Now I know all the bull.... propaganda the government and other uninformed people like to spew about how vaping is bad. My question is how people feel about the people in our community that have been abusing the situation. For exaple, vuse and blu seem to think it's ok to make vaping commercials. The same type of cigarette commercials that were banned, you know what I'm talking about. The commercials that glorify an addiction or make cigarettes look cool. It dosent just stop at TV tho, I see countless adds online and in magazines for these brands that have abused the situation. Tho we all agree vaping is good and is probably the best alternative to smoking traditional tobacco. We have to agree that these companies are giving us a bad name and imo they should not only be fined heavily but should have to awnser for what they have done. Am I the only one who feels this way?

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They are abusing it, they are getting rich, regulations are being based off of lies and fear, look at whats happening here in Ontario Canada, Jan 1st We will no longer be able to vape in vape shops, so good bye flavor testing, cloud comps, vapor lounges, we won't even be able to display flavor lists.... It will be against the law to display any vaping equipment, explain how to use it or troubleshoot any devices people may be having problems with, no coil building, no explaining battery safety or how to even fill a tank...

We're trying to fight it, in just 8 days we put together a protest/rally and nearly 300 people showed up today, we need local leaders to stick the positive things about vaping in the face of the lawmakers and public..

CTV Toronto: 100s at Toronto vaping rally

 

[zoiDman]

Sorry to inform you, Zoid, there were a few vape events where there were some that were hired to use poles and dance and I have seen some pictures (which have needed to be removed from ECF) where ummm body painting barely covered their .... assets shall we say?

Yeah... Not saying there weren't.

And I didn't like that Seeing the type of Press that the Vaping Community received over it. Or the "thing we Can't talk about here on the ECF" Car that was parked in the Parking Lot of that NJ Event.

I guess what I was Trying to Say was it seems a Shame for those who Hand Out samples to be perhaps thought of in a Bad Way because of the Actions of a Very Few.

 

[vlodato]

They are abusing it, they are getting rich, regulations are being based off of lies and fear, look at whats happening here in Ontario Canada, Jan 1st We will no longer be able to vape in vape shops, so good bye flavor testing, cloud comps, vapor lounges, we won't even be able to display flavor lists.... It will be against the law to display any vaping equipment, explain how to use it or troubleshoot any devices people may be having problems with, no coil building, no explaining battery safety or how to even fill a tank...

We're trying to fight it, in just 8 days we put together a protest/rally and nearly 300 people showed up today, we need local leaders to stick the positive things about vaping in the face of the lawmakers and public..

CTV Toronto: 100s at Toronto vaping rally

I knew all about it and I applaud you and Canada in general for the rally. I thank you for your support. I really feel for you, it's comming here soon and people think it can't or won't happen. If I didn't have work today I was thinking of taking the 6 hour drive to Toronto. I'm just as bad as the next person though, I don't do as much as I can or should have and I'm sick to my stomach about it. I'll be good as I'm a very diy person but all the people that will miss out is just sickening. It makes it worse that it's over propaganda instead of facts, that in itself is crushing.

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[Robino1]

They are abusing it, they are getting rich, regulations are being based off of lies and fear, look at whats happening here in Ontario Canada, Jan 1st We will no longer be able to vape in vape shops, so good bye flavor testing, cloud comps, vapor lounges, we won't even be able to display flavor lists.... It will be against the law to display any vaping equipment, explain how to use it or troubleshoot any devices people may be having problems with, no coil building, no explaining battery safety or how to even fill a tank...

We're trying to fight it, in just 8 days we put together a protest/rally and nearly 300 people showed up today, we need local leaders to stick the positive things about vaping in the face of the lawmakers and public..

CTV Toronto: 100s at Toronto vaping rally

Ironic... the advertisement before the video was for GlaxoSmithKline

 

[curiousJan]

I've been vaping for 6 years. I was around during the stress-filled days awaiting Judge Leon's ruling. The biggest source of misinformation is the powers against whom we are rallying. It's a catch 22 of their creation. I'm a big proponent of not rewarding bad behavior (don't believe me, let me go get my tweenage daughter, she'll tell you straight up.)

I know more than you're giving me credit for, and I refuse to dumb things down because grown adults can't be responsible for their own choices. [You general, not you specific vlodato] Go after the ones doing the spinning and deceiving, that includes any unscrupulous companies. Leave us alone.