What is with ProVari People...Cult'ish much?

[Baditude]

C'mon now Im a reasonable person but thats stretching the truth a bit too much for my liking and Im going to have to call b.s

Im sorry you had a bad experience Moueix but I can tell you that if you take the time to search the forums that isnt a very common experience with Provari at all.

If you feel like visiting the Provape forums here send a pm to MonsterKenny and let him know about the difficulties with the screws and your interaction with the sales associate.I would be really surprised if he didnt get back in touch with you within 24 hours and do whatever he can to make this right.


That being said Im fully aware of why this thread was started and Im starting to wonder with all the passive aggressiveness,obvious bias and what amounts to bald-faced lies what the Op is trying to accomplish here.

I'll just chime in here only to add that the described customer service shocked me and was extremely out-of-ordinary from what I have read. I did a lot of research prior to buying my ProV and much of it was investigating Provape's customer service.

What I found was rapid response to emails, even on Holiday week nights. Many issues are able to be handled via phone contact. I do think Provape likes to take care of issues without needing to have it shipped to the repair facility, as they are aware that owners do not like to be without their devices for long.

I agree with Zapped! that Moueix should post on the Provape supplier sub-forum about her unsatisfactory experience. This was highly unordinary.

 

[BlkWolfMidnight]

C'mon now Im a reasonable person but thats stretching the truth a bit too much for my liking and Im going to have to call b.s

Im sorry you had a bad experience Moueix but I can tell you that if you take the time to search the forums that isnt a very common experience with Provari at all.

If you feel like visiting the Provape forums here send a pm to MonsterKenny and let him know about the difficulties with the screws and your interaction with the sales associate.I would be really surprised if he didnt get back in touch with you within 24 hours and do whatever he can to make this right.


That being said Im fully aware of why this thread was started and Im starting to wonder with all the passive aggressiveness,obvious bias and what amounts to bald-faced lies what the Op is trying to accomplish here.

I'd like to remind everyone that there are bad experiences with companies, I don't know a single one without these. Its truth and sadly deny it all you like it happens. I again am not bias and I do deliver the good, bad and ugly with everything in the world. I don't hold back and tell the truth like it is. One virtue of having no dedication to any one device. My only dedication is if it vapes then its good, if it dosen't then goes on the shelf to be a place holder.
Yet the message of the thread is lost, that is that all devices vape, the bottom line and anyone that comes in to a thread needs to leave their personal dedications at the door.
I've never shown favortisim, never will...this is the truth of the matter.

 

[jeffjr464]

I'm very sorry to hear of your misfortune with ProVari, sadly this is no the first case however I've heard of the lack of customer appreciation. Granted this can happen with anyone but they assume that everyone is an experienced modder and is well versed in repair of APV's it seems.
As for the choice of the Health Cabin eGo APV I have experience with them, they are well built for a mod. I'm not sure if they have fixed the issue with running a singular 13650 battery as of yet. Mine will only run flat top IMR's due to the high drain of the device if you are running singular 13650 or require flat tops for 2 of them. Either way it should work just fine.
Also another choice is possibly a box mod, they are small and readily portable. Depending on the features you can go basic or even as high class as an exotic wood box mod, most have variable voltage and a few variable wattage as well.
Just some thoughts....

for that kind of markup there is no excuse and it should yessir it's in the mail, as far as im concerned they are growing cobwebs..... TIME TO STEP UP when i spend money at brooks brothers its no questions asked, when you step into my territory i expect the same or better service, hard to beat brooks though...

 

[rcpcdude]

right when I thought I successfully derailed this thread.... sigh

 

[BlkWolfMidnight]

for that kind of markup there is no excuse and it should yessir it's in the mail, as far as im concerned they are growing cobwebs..... TIME TO STEP UP

It wouldn't be too much to ask for a " Sure, we will send you one" and exchange the device without question. I know many companies that do this and it works out well. You may have some capital gain losses however the customers will appreciate the experience and spread the word.
There are lots of options, as for growing Cobwebs it just means they need to jump on the cutting edge, it wouldn't be too hard to adapt the DNA or Nivel chipset to the device which would put them on par price wise and competitiveness as well. Just a thought on how to improve a bit.
I do admit they are well built, come with their own anti-theft device ( just throw it at the person, sure to cause some sort of head injury) and will work afterwards .

 

[bigdaddybrink1]

I'm at the point where I too am tired of seeing all the hype about them. I wont own one, for the simple fact everyone says you should own one. Com'on. Why does everyone really think they're the best?!

 

[zapped]

I'd like to remind everyone that there are bad experiences with companies, I don't know a single one without these. Its truth and sadly deny it all you like it happens. I again am not bias and I do deliver the good, bad and ugly with everything in the world. I don't hold back and tell the truth like it is. One virtue of having no dedication to any one device. My only dedication is if it vapes then its good, if it dosen't then goes on the shelf to be a place holder.
Yet the message of the thread is lost, that is that all devices vape, the bottom line and anyone that comes in to a thread needs to leave their personal dedications at the door.
I've never shown favortisim, never will...this is the truth of the matter.

Then you might want to give some thought to how you parse your words in the future.You make it seem like this is a very common occurrence when it is in fact highly out of the ordinary for this company. Even Provari haters should be able to see that lie for what it is and a simple search on these forums will confirm that.

You then go on to say that youve heard about a lack of customer appreciation and I have to wonder if youre so unbiased where you get this information from? Ive been a member of these forums for 3+ years and I cant recall ever seeing anything to back that up in countless threads.

You might think youre telling the truth like it is but what youre actually doing is telling it how you perceive it and those are obviously two very different things.

I dont think this thread was created to complain about Provari people being cultish much as much as it was to create your own little cult of Provari haters and spread misinformation and lies under the pretense of a calm and passive demeanor and then pass them off as fact...looks like youre off to a great start

 

[pherik]

Oh trust me, if he wanted to create a provari hate threat he would have. Looking for honest discussion on it and find out the information behind the "cultists" as we put the ones who have no opinion outside of provari is god and they worship the company that makes them as if there is some kind of religious commandment section of the site we can't see. I know he can sometimes type things out that can be misconstrued easily by people who think certain ways but it remains semi unbiased. Everyone has a biased side and to think not is foolish.

 

[BlkWolfMidnight]

Then you might want to give some thought to how you parse your words in the future.You make it seem like this is a very common occurrence when it is in fact highly out of the ordinary for this company. Even Provari haters should be able to see that lie for what it is and a simple search on these forums will confirm that.

You then go on to say that youve heard about a lack of customer appreciation and I have to wonder if youre so unbiased where you get this information from? Ive been a member of these forums for 3+ years and I cant recall ever seeing anything to back that up in countless threads.

You might think youre telling the truth like it is but what youre actually doing is telling it how you perceive it and those are obviously two very different things.

I dont think this thread was created to complain about Provari people being cultish much as much as it was to create your own little cult of Provari haters and spread misinformation and lies under the pretense of a calm and passive demeanor and then pass them off as fact...looks like youre off to a great start

Oye vay...do you read posts, or just single out idealistic virutes and make them your own. I will repeat again...
ALL companies experience issues with customer service....again ALL which means any product in the world.
Have you done a search on " ProVari Issues" in google lately, specifically v.2....prob. not. There are several issues with this device, and I'm not going to post all threads in this one, thats NOT what this thread is about but your doing a great job of pushing it there.
I'm not going to make any ProVari Haters, they already existed long before me, will be there long after I'm dead and six foot under I'm sure of this. I don't HATE or LIKE the ProVari, I'm very neutral about the device after using it...it was " Meh, it vapes".
I'm pretty sure that customer service will remediate the issue..this time will tell if it is resolved or not.

So please, understand that I really don't care what you vape on, if your off analogs that that's all that matters..Make it your own and enjoy. And just for your information I've recommended ProVari on more then one instance to people depending on the circumstances, that's all it boils down to is the needs vs the requirements.

 

[Theken]

Oh... this topic again.. Hello, its been 12 hours since I last saw you.

Provari is an industry leader in Variable Voltage devices and they have a strong following of loyal customers, deal with it. Vape what makes you happy and quit smoking analogs (that is the point after all, right?)

 

[BlkWolfMidnight]

This is a topic that seems to keep on coming up, I am a fan of great craftsmanship and a fan of great customer service. Provape provides both, its a fact. It has taken some falls that have broken many of other APVs and is the reason I quit smoking analogs (isn't that what this all about anyways?). I have enjoyed every device I have bought and regret not a single one of them (although I spent too much money on mall bought crap early on).

Is a Provari better than a Lavatube? Yes, just as a Corvette is better than a Ford Focus (to borrow from someone else's analogy in a similar thread). A corvette is not for me, my PT-Cruiser is the right car for me just like the Twist is the right e-cig for someone else. If any of this makes me a cult member then point me to the Kool-Aid and give me my Nikes!

That's alright, two valid points that yes it is better craftsmanship, the customer service is good as it can get. I enjoy when facts are given and not just the usual banter of " Buy it because of _______" reasons. If decisions are to be made the educated decisions are often ones that are regretable in the future.
Everyone makes it their own, even those that can afford the expensive mods don't, not because they can't but it just dosen't fit them. The wide selection out there makes the field as open as it can be. I'd like though to see more productive posts with actual data rather then opinon based reviews...thank you for your addition as it offers two great qualities of a ProVari device.

 

[kiwivap]

This is a topic that seems to keep on coming up, I am a fan of great craftsmanship and a fan of great customer service. Provape provides both, its a fact. It has taken some falls that have broken many of other APVs and is the reason I quit smoking analogs (isn't that what this all about anyways?). I have enjoyed every device I have bought and regret not a single one of them (although I spent too much money on mall bought crap early on).

Is a Provari better than a Lavatube? Yes, just as a Corvette is better than a Ford Focus (to borrow from someone else's analogy in a similar thread). A corvette is not for me, my PT-Cruiser is the right car for me just like the Twist is the right e-cig for someone else. If any of this makes me a cult member then point me to the Kool-Aid and give me my Nikes!

I haven't seen anyone saying that would make you a cult member. Although I'd add that while a Provari may be "better" than a lavatube for you, for some-one else it may be the reverse. But this isn't what the thread is about. When people who own Provaris go into threads and tell people every other pv is crap then there's an issue. And unfortunately that's what has been happening too much lately.
We've all heard the pros about Provaris. There's just an increasing number of people who are getting tired of some, not all, Provari owners trashing every other pv.

 

[Baditude]

I'm at the point where I too am tired of seeing all the hype about them. I wont own one, for the simple fact everyone says you should own one. Com'on. Why does everyone really think they're the best?!

If that was a statement, you are in good company here. If it was a question and you want genuine answers, start a thread with your question on the Provari sub-forum so that owners can share their thoughts. This thread is not the place to start a new subject.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/provari/348880-ok-ok-lot-money-truly-worth.html

 

[BlkWolfMidnight]

I haven't seen anyone saying that would make you a cult member. Although I'd add that while a Provari may be "better" than a lavatube for you, for some-one else it may be the reverse. But this isn't what the thread is about. When people who own Provaris go into threads and tell people every other pv is crap then there's an issue. And unfortunately that's what has been happening too much lately.
We've all heard the pros about Provaris. There's just an increasing number of people who are getting tired of some, not all, Provari owners trashing every other pv.

Exactly, we have established all that there is to establish about ProVari....and its not everyone that owns a ProVari device that does interject in threads praising the wonders of the device however the few that do tend to harm the image of all. I've noticed this on an increasing amount of threads lately. You've well hit it on the head as to why this whole ball of wax was started in the first place....

And not to leave any one specific group out, all groups do it as well....its not just limited to ProVari however other groups do calm down and eventually go back to leaving objective advice...I'm not too sure why all can't follow suit.

 

[pherik]

And to be in a cult takes more than liking a device in response to the ken's message. To be in a cult you have to have a hardcore following of a product and do not recognize any possibly shortcomings of a device or possible flaws in any design the company has put out and say, without ever touching another device, that the provari is better than every device in the world/universe. So far we haven't seen those people jump in here yet, very suprised, but if you look through the new member thread you will see the provari vs every device ever created war that uses the newbies as cannon fodder. This is really meant to ask why those people feel they have to take their devices and cram them down the throats of people who are looking to get in and are new and do not need the bright led screen's, VV's, VW's, or anything else. We really need to get back on topic though we have only strayed a bit from the path.

Provary is a high quality product and a year ago they were considered the industry leader because they were the only ones doing VV's in tube and quality, it has since had several people equal the quality and offer the same warranties.

Before any of you decide to send me another PM of HATE remember, I don't care what you vape on or if your PV is useable in other ways you wish to express at me but really, vape what you want and when a newbie asks a question, have a fair reason they should go for provari outside of "Drr, Provari is best, you must go best, no best you no good". Yes, I read some of the hyper pro-vari people's posts at that kind of useless drivel because it does not state WHY and when you ask them why, they get super defensive and start throwing threats and insults and if you respond using logic and intelligence, then the Admins threaten to give you a negative mark.

Pherik: Growing very tired of the hate that seems to spawn from one group and then the retalitation from every other group because they are all under attack.

 

[justinred]

When it's a "Provari VS Whatevermodouwant" thread, so pointing out the strengths of the Provari and the flaws of the Whatevermoduwant makes one a cultist? What do you call the other posters who suggest other mods other than the Provari and Whatevermoduwant in the thread? If you are tired of seeing the strengths of a Provari being repeatedly posted, I suggest you stay stay away from "Provari VS Whatevermodouwant" threads unless you own a Whatevermodouwant.

 

[kiwivap]

I'm at the point where I too am tired of seeing all the hype about them. I wont own one, for the simple fact everyone says you should own one. Com'on. Why does everyone really think they're the best?!

Hi bigdaddybrink - there is some hype. Not everyone thinks they are the "best". They are very good for what they are, a variable voltage mod. It really depends on what functions, form factor and so on a person is looking for I think. I think some of the issues arise from some over-statements calling them the "gold standard" of vaping and such. There's really just so much variety now that I don't think any one pv can lay claim to that - and I don't really see why there's a need for a "best" anyway. So many different ones to choose from with good features.

Hope Brinkswoman is still vaping away. (Hope I got the name right too).

 

[pherik]

Well when you decide to unblock people who do research and use base line logic let us know.

 

[kiwivap]

When it's a "Provari VS Whatevermodouwant" thread, so pointing out the strengths of the Provari and the flaws of the Whatevermoduwant makes one a cultist? What do you call the other posters who suggest other mods other than the Provari and Whatevermoduwant in the thread? If you are tired of seeing the strengths of a Provari being repeatedly posted, I suggest you stay stay away from "Provari VS Whatevermodouwant" threads unless you own a Whatevermodouwant.

Hi Justin,
Gotta admit I've never been a fan of those "vs" posts. Sometimes some-one posts two sentences - like, "I'm thinking of getting a pv. What about _ or _."
And the debate ensues for pages.
But again, no-one is saying that those debates make anyone "cultish". I'm not reading that here. When it becomes derogatory, i.e. "your pv is crap", or "all other pvs are crap" then one has to wonder.

 

[BlkWolfMidnight]

The ONLY contribution this thread has made to these forums is giving me a convenient method of adding people to my ignore list.All I have to do is search for likes under the op's post and then click ignore and the I.Q of the entire thread goes up 500 points in less than 30 seconds.

Well, when and if you choose to come to logic and start looking at things objectivly then I will happily have a collective swaping of information. However to perform the action above just further goes to show how childish one can be when dealing with an issue. I am actually dissapointed in the lack of ability to hold a descent discussion without the " I'm taking my ball and going home" response.