What is with ProVari People...Cult'ish much?

[Butters78]

It's hurtful to hear that something that you use and enjoy is crap or garbage. For example I enjoy using the vivi nova sometimes. I think it works well and enjoy it. Recently there were a couple threads where a few people stated the VN was crap and it kind of upset me. It was like saying something I really like is bad so I must be stupid for liking it. It didn't bother me that much though because Busardo likes them and he's tried everything heh.

 

[kiwivap]

It's hurtful to hear that something that you use and enjoy is crap or garbage. For example I enjoy using the vivi nova sometimes. I think it works well and enjoy it. Recently there were a couple threads where a few people stated the VN was crap and it kind of upset me. It was like saying something I really like is bad so I must be stupid for liking it. It didn't bother me that much though because Busardo likes them and he's tried everything heh.

So glad you said that Eric. I have to admit there were a couple of threads recently where people seemed to be delighting in putting down the VNs and I came away with an unpleasant feeling from it. I've always found my Vision VNs have worked well. Haven't tried the Kanger T3s yet.

 

[BlkWolfMidnight]

If I was going to spend that kind of money I'd want a REO VV Grand. However, with seven grandkids entering thier pre-teens, three kids with attatchments (in-laws) and of course Mamaw to buy for I doubt I'll be splurging for new PV's this holiday season. So onward I trudge with my REO mini and my Twist/ T3's, which really ain't too bad. Still better than analogs !

If it ain't broke, don't fix it is my ideals on this one. Like you said whatever keeps you off the analogs in the long run is what counts. I rescently revisited my eGo Vision T-tank type A and was pleased at it. No fiddling with voltages and weight of a 18650, the vape was close to my usual go to as well. I'm not saying go out and buy one but that radio ain't broke and nothing wrong with it so why not crank it up and enjoy.
I've bought what I did because I like to fiddle...fiddle with this and that and such. Yah there is a risk to fiddling but is one that we all bare in mind when doing the PV shuffle.
The twist is a great device, how do you like the ability to change the voltage on it...I thought it was pretty sharp in design and an easy layout. It vaped well all things considered and did fire my RBA without an issue...I'd give it two thumbs up...though would buy a cone adapter if your going to use non Joyetech atomizers...just adds to a cleaner look.

 

[Thompson]

It's hurtful to hear that something that you use and enjoy is crap or garbage. For example I enjoy using the vivi nova sometimes. I think it works well and enjoy it. Recently there were a couple threads where a few people stated the VN was crap and it kind of upset me. It was like saying something I really like is bad so I must be stupid for liking it. It didn't bother me that much though because Busardo likes them and he's tried everything heh.

I've had some minor issues with the VVN, mostly the inconsistency of the heads Ωs. Everything else works great, though I did adjust it quite a bit with new coil & wick. But I've seen those threads too. The old "reading a book by its cover" I guess.

 

[Zack nash]

I like my Provari better then my ego twist.... this is my personal opinion. If your happy with what your using then more power to you! The purchaser being happy with what they spend their money on is all that matters.

 

[2coils]

I agree with much with what you stated. There seems to be many people who went with cheaper devices that promised to do what the more expensive Provari does, and for whatever reasons they ended up being disappointed with their results. I base this statement from multiple threads on the Provari forums. They remark about wishing that they had just bit the bullet and gotten the more expensive Provari to begin with, and would have ended up saving time and money in the long run. I think these people are just trying to help others that are looking into purchasing their first VV mod by avoiding the same mistakes that they made.

I agree about the more obnoxious people who degrade the less expensive devices. I fully realize not everyone has the funds up front for a Provari. And not everyone wishes to put that much of an investment into a single device. For many people, the cheaper devices will work fine for them.

I personally detest the people who don't bother reading a questioner's needs, and automatical recommend a Twist and a Vivi Nova for everyone, because that is what they use. This annoys me as much if not more than the Provari fanboys.

I love my Provari. I'd really like a Mini, too. But at the present time I can't justify the money for second Provari at this point in time. I often find I have to restrain my own enthusiasm for the product, I genuinely believe it is worth the money to me. But I certainly don't recommend one for everyone; I try to understand what the person's needs are, and make appropriate recommendations based on those. I often make recommendations for things that I don't own, because the product has solid reviews and recommendations.

If you find certain posters to be obnoxious or anoying, there IS a feature here to block or ignore their comments.

Well Said!

 

[BlkWolfMidnight]

And here we go again with another gripe session about an issue with no discussion on a possible resolution. I read another thread (recently closed by the mods) that had a very similar tone, and I knew as soon as I read the OP, it was not going to go well. This thread appears to be heading in the same direction as well.

With that said, I do very much agree that fanboyism can result in bad advice that may result in new vapers becoming overwhelmed and walking away. This isn't just the Provari fans either (disclaimer, I am a happy Provari owner), but as others have mentioned, this issue spans quite a few of the products that create a cult(ish) following.

So, the question I have is just this: how do we, as a community, curb this behavior in those threads?

If this truly is an issue in the community and it's new members, and we care about this community, then surely we should be looking to find a solution rather than just creating threads to vent and gripe about it. I'll start...

When you see a post saying "Just get a [insert popular product here] and because everything else is crap!", counter the post with a reasonable response that explains why the advice given may not be helpful. Then, reiterate the main points of the OP (or side topic post), and attempt to address the question to the best of your ability, or point them to another thread with relevant information. If we get enough people doing this, perhaps the reasonable posts will overshadow the fanboy posts and those fanboys may learn a thing or two as well.

Exactly my opening point....No device is really crap, the advancements in electronics will continue, new devices will come out and that so hated lack of tolerance on voltage and or wattage will dissapear. The real truth is whatever keeps you off analogs is your device, weather its a Blu, ProVari, Joyetech, Darwin, Lambo, Stallion, Box Mod,Zmax/Vmax, VAMO, LT ( or the variations there of) or 400 watt fog machine...whatever works.
I guess that one way to curb all of it is to leave your passion for the device you use at the door when answering posts. You made it yours and my congratulations for staying of analogs, but lets try and help others grow in a productive manor without bias opinions getting in the way of certainly useful advice that I know so many have to offer.

 

[r77r7r]

Yes, we Ego guys get a regular pounding too, lol. I think it was worse last year tho, when the Reo people were like the P-vari people also.

I guess everyone getting all excited about the onslaught on very available VW is constant taunting to the P-people? I'm sure if they didn't come into every thread, that p-vari would still sell well, the Reo's sell well still- even Imeo sells his 2 GG's every year also.

 

[Thompson]

I don't think there is much jealousy over VW any where, tbh. People who want it buy it, and those without are fine using VV. Essentially its the same thing and I really don't mind figuring out the wattage equivalence. Also don't believe its a 'fad' either, with RBA it seems like a nice resource. But its not a huge game changer to my experience.

 

[BlkWolfMidnight]

Yes, we Ego guys get a regular pounding too, lol. I think it was worse last year tho, when the Reo people were like the P-vari people also.

I guess everyone getting all excited about the onslaught on very available VW is constant taunting to the P-people? I'm sure if they didn't come into every thread, that p-vari would still sell well, the Reo's sell well still- even Imeo sells his 2 GG's every year also.

Yup, and trust me when I say every device has its place and someone that it fits well. Even the GG has their owners that it fits them well and that's pretty much the truth of the situation. All in all however it comes down to one truth of the matter, whatever helps you quit analogs.
I found my recent purchase situational, never suspected to own a eGo Twist but am not disappointed. As mentioned before it does what its supposed to and reliably well. Be proud that you've come this far, found an alternative that works and your adding years to your life..that is the greatest end result of it all...because when it comes down to it..its just nothing more then a battery, some fancy gadgetry and a atomizer if you break it down to basics .

 

[jeffjr464]

if you ask me the best money you can spend is on a GREAT atty, a battery holder is just that, a battery holder, although this v2 zmax is the cat's ..., three weeks in and it's working great, a batt lasts me 2 days and i fog out rooms, can't praise it enough

 

[jeffjr464]

it;s because they don't know how to take care of and maintain them to get a great vape, i've been using them for about 2 months, with proper maitenence they can't be beat, plus they are rebuildable!!!

 

[Thompson]

if you ask me the best money you can spend is on a GREAT atty, a battery holder is just that, a battery holder, although this v2 zmax is the cat's ..., three weeks in and it's working great, a batt lasts me 2 days and i fog out rooms, can't praise it enough

I keep seeing this, but a VV/VW is much more than a battery holder. Mechanical seem to be battery holders to me (not in a bad way!). Any of these VV/VW have essentially a computer in there if its a digital setup, even the eGo has to have a small chip to recognize the 5 button push. The eVic and MiD further blur this line.

 

[Butters78]

it;s because they don't know how to take care of and maintain them to get a great vape, i've been using them for about 2 months, with proper maitenence they can't be beat, plus they are rebuildable!!!

Yup I've been rebuilding them myself. Just silica granted but I plan on using cotton and ss mesh later. They have been working good and there is a satisfaction in doing it myself and saving money. Rebuilding a 2 dollar or so head for just a few cents. There is a thread in the rba section of the forum and folks are doing something wild stuff with the VN. It's great.

The phoenix rba is great for dripping and testing juices and if you can rebuild a vn head you can definitely tackle the phoenix.

 

[sawlight]

Played with the VN, I'm not a fan at all! Some people love them, some people don't, I guess I'm one that doesn't! I figure if I have to fiddle with it that much, I may as well just get an RBA and be done with it! I'm not going to diss them, just don't care for them, it's not my thing!

 

[technicianx]

Enough with the small talk! When are we gonna get a pv shaped like a boobie? I'm tired of vaping vibrator look-a-likes!

 

[jeffjr464]

na it's still just a battery holder, just tells me all i need to know, it's still a battery holder

 

[BlkWolfMidnight]

Enough with the small talk! When are we gonna get a pv shaped like a boobie? I'm tired of vaping vibrator look-a-likes!

Heck yes....or maybe even a motorcycle shaped PV, where you vape off the exaust tail pipe....could be really creative with design because in the end once all the electronics catch up then it will be all design based.

 

[sawlight]

I guess we could have the "FleshPV", might be a lot big though!

 

[pherik]

This thread seems to bring out the haters of everything, the haters of Provari, the haters of all chinabrand items, and then the intelligent people who have tried everything. I personally hate to hear "your PV is crap because it's made in china and it's not <put PV here>" and when people attack devices I use to stop smoking the cancer sticks it gets my blood to boil. If you wanted to use a Hookah with the e-juice cup more power to you, zmax, provari, ihybrid, joyetech, njoy, blu, etc great, awesome, you arn't smoking a cancer stick. I believe that until someone has tried the other devices and/or owned them, they shouldn't say it is crap or that their device is better. I am using an EGO APV right now because honestly, I just like it. No other reason than I like using it and I like how it looks and feels in my hand. I honestly started on an Njoy 19.99 model then went to a blu for a few weeks, then went to an ego-T, a lavatube V1, borrowed a Provari for a week from a friend who had a backup of one, went to the Zmax for a bit and now to the EGO APV. They all did what they were intended to do and I keep going for newer devices or other devices because I have PV collectors syndrome and I can't stop. If it vapes that's great and it should stop there.

Now this thread isn't meant to bash on Provari users or anyone else, just wanting to know why some Provari owners have to bash on other devices and not go with the understanding that you have to experience the other devices before you talk down about them. If a new person comes in who knows NOTHING, don't try forcing a provari or X device down their throat until you know their level of knowledge. If you have the mother of 5 who knows almost nothing about tech do you really want her to purchase a device that will need a little bit of tech knowledge to fully understand? All PV's have their place in this community and no PV is better than the other, it just depends on what you like and what works best for you.