Who here is not stocking up in preparation for the May 12th, 2020 Deadline?

[zoiDman]

I know the feeling. When I smoked I was at 2 packs a day when I quit because of vaping. That would be $7300 a year now. Just imagine all the cool vape gear you could get for $7300 a year.

Or the New Car you could buy.

 

[Uncle]

Or the New Car you could buy.

HECK - If Ya' get that NEW CAR, I'll take that used car - well that is if it is in good running order and inexpensive . . . Just Sayin' . . .



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[ChelsB]

Hopefully someone doesn’t mind answering what’s happening in May 2020 so I don’t have to read the whole thread. Obviously I’m out of the loop!


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[zoiDman]

Hopefully someone doesn’t mind answering what’s happening in May 2020 so I don’t have to read the whole thread. Obviously I’m out of the loop!

The Grace Period to file a PMTA with the FDA will expire.

If you Don't have a PMTA on file with the FDA pending review, it will be Illegal to Sell your "Tobacco Product" in the US Market.

So you are Basically going to see about everything Dry Up like a spring rain in Death Valley.

 

[ChelsB]

The Grace Period to file a PMTA with the FDA will expire.

If you Don't have a PMTA on file with the FDA pending review, it will be Illegal to Sell your "Tobacco Product" in the US Market.

So you are Basically going to see everything Dry Up like a spring rain in Death Valley.

Thanks for the explanation. I’m very thankful I needed the warnings here so I have enough hardware and nic for a lifetime


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[Pigs]

I know the feeling. When I smoked I was at 2 packs a day when I quit because of vaping. That would be $7300 a year now. Just imagine all the cool vape gear you could get for $7300 a year.

By current Australian cig prices - most expensive in the world - you'd be saving about $22,000 a year. I was never a 2 pack a day smoker but I'm saving well over $10k/year by not smoking. DIY means the only real money I spend on vaping is justifiable stocking up of rebuildables.

 

[markfm]

I just ordered a liter of nicotine. Next paycheck, another liter. 100mg/ml should do it but now I'm wondering if I should have ordered 250mg/ml instead? Seems I would use less of the 250mg at a time therefore making the liter stretch twice as far. Any thoughts?

One supplier regularly has sales at about $34 for a liter of 100mg. 2 liters plus glass bottles for long term storage end up under $80 total, shipped. We post about it in the Stocking Up thread (the most recent sale ended yesterday).

I'm in the "heck yes" category for stocking up. I've been vaping almost 10 years, after smoking for 37. I could probably quit if I really wanted to, but enjoy it, and don't plan to stop.

I've built up a decent stash of nicotine, mods, rda, rta, tanks, prebuit heads, including some solid mechs, over the last 4 months, everything on sales/discounts. I know how to build my own coils, but made sure to stock enough tanks and heads to cover me for up to a couple years if for some reason I can't use rda/rta for some time. All in, my cost to do this is about the cost of 4 months of smoking pack a day, and will cover me for years.

If the deeming magically disappeared (not happening, it's real), I'm confident that what I've purchased will be things I'll still happily use.

 

[bnrkwest]

So...scenario...vape juice practically gone, but you make your own and have a LOT of supplies to do this for a good while, perhaps indefinitely. You're at work, outside on break, happily vaping and vaping coworkers, who by this time, really cant get juice anymore and probably didn't stock up on DIY see you vaping happily and wonder how you are able to have juice when they do not. Do you tell them you make your own? In real life, I think I'm the only person at my workplace that actually makes DIY juice. I've already been asked in the past "you make juice? make me some." DIY supplies are still readily available at the moment but back then even more so. I was, like, "no I wont make you some, its not that hard to do and you should learn how yourself." Back to the scenario now...that's how it might become. Do you help out you coworkers who are not really your friends anyway or become a giant a double s with a hole in the middle and say " you shoulda stocked up when ya had the chance"? If it came right down to it, tables turned, would they do the same FOR you that they're asking OF you? Most likely not, I think. "You make juice? Wontcha make me some?" makes me cringe every time I hear that.

Just tell them it is zero nic, VG/PG and water based flavors, they can get some themselves and make it. They ask how do you get the nicotine, just slap a big bandage on your arm and tell them the patch! LOL

 

[Jman8]

I don't get this grey/black market stuff. Like, the people who seem to think it's gonna be totally fine.....

We are a tiny portion of the vaping world. There may be a grey/black market but sitting around WAITING for it is just SILLY in my opinion. I mean.... Things will cost more, you will have the added stress of finding it, making sure it safe etc.....

I have no love for grey/.black markets and I have experienced several from both sides. They SUCK. I don't get why ANYONE would sort of (it seems like) WANT to do this.

While I have always wanted a derringer in my garter and to be part of the ecig militia, I'm sorry. I've already experienced it and it sucks and then it REALLY sucks to get caught.

The government will be looking for larger scale suppliers than me. I'd give the husband eliquid and the kid (not that he needs it) but that is About It.

Anna

The people who are not stocking up are the ones who think it'll be fine. I somewhat realize you have extensive experience on the black market. As do I. Around 95% of my experiences, were between okay and pleasant. 5% sucked and were unpleasant. I would say the same could be said for buying vape stuff on the open market. And in some ways, the face to face connection with a dealer is nicer. In other ways, it is not. But to think of it as horrible, often, is completely contrary to my experience.

Currently, no one with stash is in trouble with the government, even while technically they have (or we have) an illegal product. One that a good portion of society currently thinks of as harmful, if not deadly. Obviously, they're mistaken, but their opinion is a really significant aspect going forward.

Again, if you have a stash and no one really knows you do, I see very little reason to be concerned. But if anyone knows about it, and if (I'd say when) the anti-nicotine propaganda gets turned up even more than it has been, then I honestly do think possession will be a bigger deal. Friends and family could turn on individuals, even ones who are possessing for personal use. If strictly personal, I still see no reason to be concerned. If giving to a few, then I do see reason to be concerned. Not worried, not paranoid, but concerned.

But we are clearly beating a dead horse. Some want to continue to purport that the black market will be dangerous, expensive, and unsafe in terms of product. I disagree on all counts. No overhead for black market dealers, so it could arguably be less expensive than retail. Not less expensive than making your own, but for us not stocking up, that's not a fair comparison. It would be completely counterproductive to make unsafe product. Believe all you want that's what the black market will produce. I find that as preposterous as thinking all DIY'ers are making unsafe product right now, unless mixing in a lab that is certified. Yep, that's how ridiculous some of you sound, to me.

 

[bnrkwest]

What if the retailers that now sell both vape supplies & sell CBD supplies just say all their vape supplies are for CBD only, do you think they can skirt the FDA and still sell everything as usual? That is the only thing that might work and supplies will still be available. I'm not betting on it, but could work? I see so many vendors carrying both now.

 

[Pigs]

What if the retailers that now sell both vape supplies & sell CBD supplies just say all their vape supplies are for CBD only, do you think they can skirt the FDA and still sell everything as usual? That is the only thing that might work and supplies will still be available. I'm not betting on it, but could work? I see so many vendors carrying both now.

Do you think US vapers will still be able to buy from FT and other Chinese vendors? Customs can't possibly weed out all the vape devices inbound

 

[markfm]

The people who are not stocking up are the ones who think it'll be fine. I somewhat realize you have extensive experience on the black market. As do I. Around 95% of my experiences, were between okay and pleasant. 5% sucked and were unpleasant. I would say the same could be said for buying vape stuff on the open market. And in some ways, the face to face connection with a dealer is nicer. In other ways, it is not. But to think of it as horrible, often, is completely contrary to my experience.

Currently, no one with stash is in trouble with the government, even while technically they have (or we have) an illegal product. One that a good portion of society currently thinks of as harmful, if not deadly. Obviously, they're mistaken, but their opinion is a really significant aspect going forward.

Again, if you have a stash and no one really knows you do, I see very little reason to be concerned. But if anyone knows about it, and if (I'd say when) the anti-nicotine propaganda gets turned up even more than it has been, then I honestly do think possession will be a bigger deal. Friends and family could turn on individuals, even ones who are possessing for personal use. If strictly personal, I still see no reason to be concerned. If giving to a few, then I do see reason to be concerned. Not worried, not paranoid, but concerned.

But we are clearly beating a dead horse. Some want to continue to purport that the black market will be dangerous, expensive, and unsafe in terms of product. I disagree on all counts. No overhead for black market dealers, so it could arguably be less expensive than retail. Not less expensive than making your own, but for us not stocking up, that's not a fair comparison. It would be completely counterproductive to make unsafe product. Believe all you want that's what the black market will produce. I find that as preposterous as thinking all DIY'ers are making unsafe product right now, unless mixing in a lab that is certified. Yep, that's how ridiculous some of you sound, to me.

It isn't illegal for adults to possess nicotine vaping hardware or eliquid that I know of, nor will it be after 12 May. Sale of the products is what becomes an issue, IIRC (and potentially any items purchased from overseas could be blocked, though there have already been loads of posts relative to the government having limited resources to bother checking the millions of individual incoming packages for prohibited products).

 

[bnrkwest]

Do you think US vapers will still be able to buy from FT and other Chinese vendors? Customs can't possibly weed out all the vape devices inbound

I have no idea. There are so many things on FT I can't imagine inspecting each package from FT. I won't order from China after Deeming date since I don't need anything but maybe others will??

 

[puffon]

Seems like some people don't have very good friends or family if they think they will turn them in because they have a gallon of nic in the freezer....

 

[Jman8]

It isn't illegal for adults to possess nicotine vaping hardware or eliquid that I know of, nor will it be after 12 May. Sale of the products is what becomes an issue, IIRC (and potentially any items purchased from overseas could be blocked, though there have already been loads of posts relative to the government having limited resources to bother checking the millions of individual incoming packages for prohibited products).

We're still in the early stages of the war. I am saying possession of eLiquid/liquid nic could be a problem going forward. To the degree it is not, only helps the black market. Kinda hard to get busted for a sale if only 2 people know about that sale.

 

[bnrkwest]

I honestly can't imagine anyone relying on a black market for juice when it is so easy to make your own. I don't even like buying premade juice because I don't know what kind of flavors they use. I don't like to vape things I don't know what is in there. I did buy some juice just recently to try but honestly I like my own better.

 

[Jman8]

I can imagine a whole lot of people that would prefer others, with experience, make juice for them. I've recently dabbled in DIY (not for my first time) and while I know it's not that hard, there's enough stuff for a newbie to consider that I can see why people won't go in that direction. Need to be careful making it, otherwise it could be lethal. ECF, I see, makes this clear. Need to buy a whole bunch of stuff so it does get easier over time. Need to accept that your first few batches may be bad (un-vapable).

With all that said, I'm quite certain at some point, I will DIY. But still see (several) reason(s) why anyone would choose not to.

 

[bnrkwest]

I can imagine a whole lot of people that would prefer others, with experience, make juice for them. I've recently dabbled in DIY (not for my first time) and while I know it's not that hard, there's enough stuff for a newbie to consider that I can see why people won't go in that direction. Need to be careful making it, otherwise it could be lethal. ECF, I see, makes this clear. Need to buy a whole bunch of stuff so it does get easier over time. Need to accept that your first few batches may be bad (un-vapable).

With all that said, I'm quite certain at some point, I will DIY. But still see (several) reason(s) why anyone would choose not to.

It really is not hard to do, you can test flavors in VG/pg first so you know what you like. One of my everyday vapes is FlavourArt Apple Pie with a couple drops of added FlavourArt Caramel. I mix right in my juice bottle of 15 ml. Base is premixed in a squeeze bottle. I put my drops in juice bottle, add base, shake & vape. Takes less than 5 min. I am a lazy mixer, no tools, no clean up, easy peezy

 

[Jman8]

It really is not hard to do, you can test flavors in VG/pg first so you know what you like. One of my everyday vapes is FlavourArt Apple Pie with a couple drops of added FlavourArt Caramel. I mix right in my juice bottle of 15 ml. Base is premixed in a squeeze bottle. I put my drops in juice bottle, add base, shake & vape. Takes less than 5 min. I am a lazy mixer, no tools, no clean up, easy peezy

I honestly wasn't aware there was base that has PG/VG already in it, until the last few days. But then was told (by company) that most flavors have PG which will affect whatever desired PG/VG result one is going for. When I entered numbers into DIY calculator, PG came up negative. No matter how I adjusted the numbers, it stayed negative, well unless I went up to say 100 ml. I'm going to stay persistent, figure it out, make sure I can DIY. But again, I can understand reasons why some people won't.

Let's hope the black market sellers aren't lazy mixers.

 

[Don29palms]

It really is not hard to do, you can test flavors in VG/pg first so you know what you like. One of my everyday vapes is FlavourArt Apple Pie with a couple drops of added FlavourArt Caramel. I mix right in my juice bottle of 15 ml. Base is premixed in a squeeze bottle. I put my drops in juice bottle, add base, shake & vape. Takes less than 5 min. I am a lazy mixer, no tools, no clean up, easy peezy

Simple as that. I mix my ejuice 120ml at a time. What's nice, especially for beginners is there are alot of single flavors that are really good. No need to blend anything. I just fill bottle half way with VG, add flavoring and nic, top off with VG. SHAKE IT DRIP IT RIP IT!