Why do so many people want to build to 0.1ohm?

[edyle]

That's all very interesting, but do you think maybe lots of people all over the world reading a post like that will try a
dual parallel build with 24g kanthal down to 0.1
and stick that on their copper mech mod (in 18350 mode of course because that's so small and neat) and vape away with confidence after all they read it right here on ECF encouraging them to "try it".

I'll ask; not because I really want to know, but because I think you ought to have mentioned it:

Question:
What do you vape that "dual parallel build with 24g kanthal down to a 0.1" on?

1: it's not going to be on an 18350.
2: I'd like to think it's on a dual batt mech, but if that was it, it's astonishing you'd leave that detail out
3: I'd guess it's on a steel/aluminium mod which has an inherent 0.1 ohm internal resistance anyway.
4: I'd bet you don't hold the button down for 5+ seconds; probably less than 2 seconds.

Lmao... as I clearly stated and you clearly deemed to NOT focus on, I am well aware of proper safety, and encourage anyone who vapes to learn to vape the style they prefer safely.
However, thank you for making my point for me




For the record, in case someone on Jupiter is reading.... no I was not using an 18350 the insinuation alone is troubling. The suggestion angers me, the insult to my intelligence IS NOT NECESSARY.
this entire discussion and people telling others that if they use 'x' they will be a firebomb is quite ridiculous, how about 'if you are going to do 'y' use 'x'.
let people be.
Yes a dual batter 18650 with proper batteries is the 'safest' option, do your research on batteries. , since we are all over the world, I dont know what they sell In the UAE, so research them.

And please for the love of all that is holy......GROW UP AND TRY....JUST TRY AND ACT YOUR AGE(I assume you are at least 18yp since that is the minimum age for membership) and not like a TROLL creeping the interwebs looking for something you can pick apart because YOU don't agree and feel some subconscious need to compensate and feel better about yourself through the belittlement of someone doing something you don't agree with.

Perhaps you missed the question:

Question:
What do you vape that "dual parallel build with 24g kanthal down to a 0.1" on?

I'd have to assume you're just ignoring it.

 

[Fir3b1rd]

Perhaps you missed the question:


I'd have to assume you're just ignoring it.

For a very good reason...
Thank you for illustrating it for me

Any answer given on this venue is going to inevitably be discerning and reputed by someone on here, so what is the point?
The over protective, ' Nanny vapors' are going to say ' I don't get it', I only vale at '6 watts', 'you need three batteries and a super conductive gold plated transformer to do that.'
Nothing is going to make everyone on here happy or agree.
Rather than saying,., 'ok you know ohms law, you know how to use a reasonably accurate meter, you know how to get good, trustworthy batteries, i'm glad you enjoy that, its just not for me.' and go on with their life.

 

[crxess]

Everything that can be done can be done with safety in mind.
This has NOTHING to do with whether the Activity is inherently Safe.

Space Travel can be done safely - We have still lost 2 Shuttles.
Operating a Carr can be done safely - Yet Fatal accidents happen every few minutes.
Vaping .1ohm Can be done with safety in mind - Yet Mods still get ripped apart from Run away Batteries.

Just because person (X) is getting away with the practice does NOT mean person (Y) has the experience or the right components fo Duplicate the effort SAFELY.


Batteries Are not designed for .1ohm loads to be continually driven through them. As they Degrade(a natural action of usage) their limits are reduced to an eventual point of being dangerous to continue using. Many people never give that a thought and only repace a battery if it will not hold a charge. This is fine at Normal Design usage, but in Sub ohm or simply LOW LOAD situations there is a much higher risk of Catastrophic failure than simple cell exhaustion.

Before arguing - I have seen enough 12v 500Ah+ Batteries Exploded to know - BATTERIES improperly used can be dangerous Period.

If you Vape ultra low loads and Enjoy it - Great!
Enjoy what you do and keep the Specs to yourself.
Let others find their own way and hopefully learn something along the Way.
One individuals ability to do something inherently Unsafe in a semi-safe manor has nothing to do with what another may be able to accomplish.

 

[CoilinTrouble]

Went to a B & M yesterday Im not used to going to, just to check em out. While I'm staring at the rdas I overhear the salesman next to me talking to a customer, his wife, and 3 kids (one an infant) and the dude is trying to quit smoking and is wanting to try vaping for the first time. The dude ends up talking him into a cheap stingray mech clone, a plume veil rda clone, and then proceeds to build him a coil to leave with measuring in @0.14Ω... I pipe up and try and, politely, explain that might not be what an absolute beginner needs to start with...but alas, to no avail...I mean, what are we supposed to do when we have even the people who sell this stuff recklessly endangering new vapers by selling em this stuff? I frankly couldnt sit by and watch so after the guy rings him up, I politely and quickly purchase some Koh Gen Do and catch this guy while he's loading his kids in the van and explain to him and his wife that he doesnt need to use that. Well unfortunately the only way I could talk him out of it is by meeting him 30 minutes later and trading him one of my Vapor bar's vamo v6's and an aspire nautilus tank. Well...I guess at the very least I may have potentially stopped an injury, but I know that some other fool today or tomorrow is gonna be in the same boat...

 

[nyiddle]

My .5 ohm dual macro coil on a VW box mod will shred any .1 ohm ridiculousness.

Dunno why people are still trying to go lower ohms, when really you can build any ohm and if you put it on the right device, it'll fire great. Seems like the risk is REALLY unnecessary these days. Maybe a year or two ago, it'd make more sense. I remember sticking a 1.2 ohm build on my mech mod and being like "welp, this isn't gonna work". .3 ohms though? Fantastic. .2 ohms even, pretty damn good. When I first got my box mod, I stuck my .2 ohm build on it, and IMMEDIATELY got hot legs. Burnt hits. Grossness. Thought to myself, "Hm, with all this power.." and built a beefy, high-surface-area .6 ohm coil (talking like 14 wraps).

Consistency: Thanks step-down/buck-up conversion!
Safety: Reverse battery protection! Low voltage protection! Short circuit protection!
Variability: I don't have to build .2-.3 ohm coils!

Why wouldn't you take advantage of the technology available?

 

[tj99959]

After a year of vaping I finally did my first dual parallel build with 24g kanthal down to a 0.1.
Yes the paperwork says I know ohm law among other basic electronic principles(I hold degrees in electronics one being am engineering degree and I am an IEEE member).
Ive vapid on regulated mods only up until recently, I am not a cloud chaser by any means; but I do enjoy playing human fog machine from time to time. Damn it if that was not a great vape, and that build will get used a lot more often..
Quite frankly I think we as vapors have bigger issue than bashing other vapors for how they vape, what they use, how they build, or any of the above.
I have everything from an mvp2.0 to Provari, to dna30s and dna40s, along with a healthy assortment of mechanical mods,
I see what everyone enjoys about their preferred style of vaping.......and that's what it is their proffered style,
our job as veterans is to educate and advocate, not scold and diminish. Just because we may not understand what they enjoy, that's their business if someone wants to vape with an ego and that's all... hey enjoy it, you're not smoking a camel, congrats! If someone wants to vape super low, hey enjoy you're not inhaling a tailpipe, are you being safe? Great! Congrats!
But before questioning, try it, you may be surprised, I didn't think I would enjoy it, but hot damn!!!

That's the only phrase I take offense to!
Many of us in this thread have been around the block already. So trust me on this ..... you would be hard pressed to think up something that we haven't tried.

My problem with a 0.1 ohm coil was that when I tested it with a good micro meter .. it wasn't 0.1 ohms, it was 0.08 ohms. Even with several tries, that was as close to 0.1 as I was able to get. So instead of needing 42 amps ... it needed 53 amps. Every one of my attempts measured 0.1 ohms on a normal ohm meter.

 

[roxynoodle]

Yeah, see, that is one of the problems. People don't know the smaller batteries can't pull the same amp draw. I was asked this morning what an 18350 can pull and I didn't know. I told her we need to look it up and then we can determine a safe resistance for the build. That's probably a good point, actually. People read about or see others vaping at a very low resistance and don't realize their battery or configuration isn't the same.

And of course whole fake battery thing will lead (has probably led) to accidents.

 

[CoilinTrouble]

All this silly infighting is pointless...doesnt matter about principles or ideals or motivations or the education that anyone here who has spoken already has. What DOES matter is that people all over the world reqd.these forums and its inherently ridiculous of ANY of us to suggest any potentially dangerous build without EXTREME emphasis on proper.knowledge of everything from Ohms law to.battery safety to coil builds etc. Thats the purpose of ECF, is to EDUCATE, not INSTIGATE.

 

[Light Seeker]

CoilinTrouble, u may want to contact or email the owner of that B&M. The owner has a concern with business liability the hired help has no idea nor care about. Some 'employee training' may be in order.

 

[Fir3b1rd]

How in gods name do I become the bad guy???


Do I have a scowling avatar.

I clearly stated, that education must be had BEFORE PUSHING THE LIMITS!!!!

WHERE DID I SAY WRAP A .01 AMD SLAP IT ON A 18350 INSIDE OF A METHANE TUBE???

 

[CoilinTrouble]

CoilinTrouble, u may want to contact or email the owner of that B&M. The owner has a concern with business liability the hired help has no idea nor care about. Some 'employee training' may be in order.

I agree and would take that step...if the manager wasnt already there in the shop watching the entire thing transpire...

 

[CoilinTrouble]

I agree on some points there dude, as I have also gone down to 0.1 before and I did it safely, admittedly I have no intentions of doing it again, I found higher resistance coil builds that give similar/identical performance. However I think the only problem ppl have with what youre saying is that some yokel is honna pop.on ECF and see this thread and say "Oh hey, this electrical engineer even says its safe!! Im gonna go build a 0.1Ω coil right now!!" which will probably end in disaster. I believe no ones inherently insulting YOUR intelligence, so much as the stooges who may read this and get bad ideas... my 2cents

 

[tj99959]

I agree on some points there dude, as I have also gone down to 0.1 before and I did it safely, admittedly I have no intentions of doing it again, I found higher resistance coil builds that give similar/identical performance. However I think the only problem ppl have with what youre saying is that some yokel is honna pop.on ECF and see this thread and say "Oh hey, this electrical engineer even says its safe!! Im gonna go build a 0.1Ω coil right now!!" which will probably end in disaster. I believe no ones inherently insulting YOUR intelligence, so much as the stooges who may read this and get bad ideas... my 2cents

Sorry, but that's our point. It CAN'T be done safely. There is no such thing as a 42 amp battery.

 

[CoilinTrouble]

Lol dude Boba Fett ALWAYS has a scowl on underneath that mask

 

[CoilinTrouble]

Sorry, but that's our point. It CAN'T be done safely. There is no such thing as a 42 amp battery.

Lol no need for apologies youre right I can sit here and justify it all day long with arguments about using it in 1 second pulses and using it in a parallel box mod...but in all honesty it just isnt safe or worth the risk...especially if you can obtain that same performance through other, safer means. I recant that one statement sir but not the rest of my text wall

 

[Fir3b1rd]

I agree on some points there dude, as I have also gone down to 0.1 before and I did it safely, admittedly I have no intentions of doing it again, I found higher resistance coil builds that give similar/identical performance. However I think the only problem ppl have with what youre saying is that some yokel is honna pop.on ECF and see this thread and say "Oh hey, this electrical engineer even says its safe!! Im gonna go build a 0.1Ω coil right now!!" which will probably end in disaster. I believe no ones inherently insulting YOUR intelligence, so much as the stooges who may read this and get bad ideas... my 2cents

That's why I expressed personal education!!!!!
It is not our job to educate anyone it is the persosd job to seek the knowledge,
Going that low has several variables on every statement I made I reinstated the importance of learning, safety and general principles. "
Touting ohm law could also back fire .,,there is more to it than just an equation. Wrapping, material, wick, airflow
Showing someone an equation is a start not the answer,

ECFhas an entire section for someone to learn, as does several sources.
,
To reiterate.. by it is not our job to teach it is our job to encourage the learning
We have know way of knowing over the internets if they are using brass or copper or how much airflow is used or ample venting or slew of other factors are employed, or if the battery wrapper is in good shape, that is not a liability I am prepared to take.
Henceforth I will continue to encourage education and safety.

 

[CoilinTrouble]

...if I could insert a music file in here to play right now...I'd put on "Give Peace a Chance"

 

[roxynoodle]

I have to agree that just because someone has gotten away with it so far, doesn't mean s/he always will. If the hitch on your truck is only rated at 6000lbs max towing, its not going to break at 6001lbs; at least it better not. However, if you tow 8000lbs, you might have a very bad accident. Maybe you won't, but maybe you will.

I had a very heavy friend break a 5" diameter nerf bar off my truck. I was so surprised that could happen. I looked them up and discovered they were only rated to 350lbs. She was pushing 450 lbs at that time. That extra 100lbs broke it.

 

[CoilinTrouble]

Soon as the moderator cleans up the thread dies faster than...Yknow what? Was gonna do a steve irwin/stingray joke but im not gonna risk an infraction...

 

[Fir3b1rd]

Steve Irwin uses a stingray?