Why vapers are never satisfied: A Theory.

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RedhatPat

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I'd like to hear from oldschool vapers (4+ years) about how ejuices have advanced or evolved in time. We all hear about how far we've come (equipment-wise) but what about juicewise? Or is it pretty much the same? Or is the question moot because ya'll DIY?

ETA: Ocey, that gel thing doesn't look promising, atleast based on the comments in that thread. Just goes to show there's a lot of research left to do on the subject. I'm paranoid enough about inhaling microfibers and stuff, let alone a whole new type of juice

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I've always kind of seen it as such:

Smoking is kind of like grabbing lunch from a sandwich cart. You get what you get, and that's pretty much it. You don't fret much over your choice because there really aren't any choices to fret over. That chicken salad was OK... just keep getting that.

But vaping is like dining at a restaurant that has a menu that reads more like War and Peace, with countless dishes and options... and they all look good. No matter what you pick, you'll always have in the back of your mind "Hmm... I should have tried that ahi tuna special". We have hundreds of juice choices in countless different strengths and mixes.. top coils, bottom coils, cars, attys, rebuildables, etc... egos, APVs, mechanicals, bottom feeding mods...

There are countless different combinations, and even when you have your most beloved juice in your best device, you'll always be thinking "Gee... I just saw that new Aurora bottom feeder online... looks pretty cool. Maybe I'll order that when HHV comes out with that new NET they've been hinting at."

Who gets excited when Marlboro comes out with a new cigarette?
 

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We all started smoking for different reasons; we all vape for different reasons. There are as many answers to the OP's original question as there are people who can answer it.

Aside from the common denominator of nic addiction (which may in fact be not as common as we think) there are a bazillion variables in the equation. If it weren't, one setup would satisfy us all.

To answer the OP from my perspective, I will say that I am quite satisfied with vaping. I picked a quit date for analogs, quit, then happened to find
vaping much to my relief. Many others had no such reason for vaping. Vaping, to me, satisfies 99 percent oF the habit and satisfaction I received from cigs. The other 1 percent I can deal with. I am just so grateful to be off the stinkies.

As far as buying new "stuff," I think it's fun, and that is the main reason.

Good discussion, thanks.
 

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Just get a REO is the old 'just get a provari' now right?

Ha ha, I get it.

*Searches forums for any mention of REO and clicks 'like'*
Provari is definitely yesterday's news. Advancements have been made, and the DNA chips and such are doing what the Provaris do...plus some...and better.

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How come no one has mentioned the Flavor Chasers?
How many have you tried?
100? more?
How many bought a flavor because it tasted good on a youtube video?
I've tried exactly 10 flavors over the past 3 years. I've been using the same 3 for the past year. I smoked the same ashtray flavor for 15 years, so 3 main flavors is definitely an upgrade.

I agree with the OCD part, I have that and find that I vape a lot more than I smoked. It all takes me back to when I smoked, I knew exactly how many cigarettes I had at any given time, where they were, etc. When I'd buy a carton, I'd get a sense of security knowing I had 200 of them. Now I can't be in a different room than my PV for very long. Even once I get the perfect vape experience, there is always the desire to tweak it a little or do something different. When a new mod comes out that is really different or has that WOW factor (iTaste 134) I'm almost depressed because I know I must have it. :laugh:

My hat's off to those who can vape and instantly quit cigarettes. I believe you are right when you say my brain wants some of those other chemicals. I still have 4-5 cigs a week. After I have one I can return to vaping with no problems. Look how long the tobacco companies have been tweaking their formulas. I don't think it can be undone overnight for some.
I still have one occasionally. Generally one every 3-4 days. I don't feel guilty about it, I just remember that 2 a week beats 40 a day...any day. We're all human, and we all "quit" at our own pace. Meanwhile, I still vape through 5-6 ml a day.

I knew that someone was going to 'whip this one out'... Nicely done!
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I don't think there's a soul out there that doesn't at least want to try new flavors to see if there's something even more delicious than their current ADV.

Sorry for smashing your desire to find at least one common denominator among vapers, but, I have no desire to try new flavors. None. Been there done that. When I started vaping I tried and tried to find a flavor I really liked, wasted a lot of money in the effort. Then I turned to DIY, if I could not find a satisfying ADV I would create one, again I spent a lot of of money and accumulated well over 50 jars of flavorings.

Then I read a post where another DIY'er suggested dripping unflavored in your atty to clean it out between testing your flavor experiments. So, I started dripping unflavored just to clean out my atomizer, and Lo and Behold I discovered the perfect vape. Unflavored nic. It was the most perfectly satisfying vape (for me, at least). In the two years since I made that discovery I have not wanted to mess up my vaping by adding flavoring to my eliquid, it is just perfect without.
 

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Then I read a post where another DIY'er suggested dripping unflavored in your atty to clean it out between testing your flavor experiments. So, I started dripping unflavored just to clean out my atomizer, and Lo and Behold I discovered the perfect vape. Unflavored nic. It was the most perfectly satisfying vape (for me, at least). In the two years since I made that discovery I have not wanted to mess up my vaping by adding flavoring to my eliquid, it is just perfect without.

Interesting. Never tried it. Is it a PG or VG base of unflavored nic that you enjoy? Or a blend?
 
My issue , after much thought on the subject, is not the nicotine I am dropping the mg faster then I thought possible I am down from 36 to 12 in 3 months and considering a 6 mg in my next batch I buy , its my hands . I need my hands doing something all the time that I am awake . I have an addictive personality I deal with that by not drinking at all , not doing drugs and monitoring my intake of things like Junk food,gaming and anything else that could be construed as an addiction . My hands are the keys to my addiction . Gaming its all about the hands , eating is all about the hands drinking is all about the hands . So What do I do ? I rebuild . I stopped at rebuilding because I am not cloud chasing so no need to go sub ohm but I rebuild coils daily just to get better at it and to keep the hands busy .
 

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I'm number 6 all the way. I've calmed down though heh. It was a fun ride.


Glad to see all the posts and that it has made people think and talk.

So the "Unsatisfied Vaper" phenomena may well be a more complex thing than we really know. Involving aspects of basic human nature, addictive tendencies, vape mail love, etc. It is in essence seeking after the unobtainable. The ultimate vape, or high, as it were.
Let me attempt to categorize this phenomena as it applies to vapers and vaping, and I am not trying to label anyone or anything, I just see difference aspects of the cigarette satisfaction equation or the lack thereof which is different for every individual:

1. There are the flavor chasers (which another poster mentioned). No flavor is strong enough or good enough for this vaper. Some flavor chasers may find their desired flavors and their "sweet spot", but for others it may be a continual and never ending quest. I count myself as one of these vapers. I might like something, but then I try something else, and my previous favorites are no longer my favorites.

2. There are the vapor or cloud chasers. :vapor: Here too, some are able to reach their desired satisfication level, but for others, they literally will not be satisfied until they have converted themselves into living chimneys. As Pbusardo noted jokingly, but which I believe has a basis in reality.

3. There are the throat hit vapers. Throat hit is not a big thing for me, but for others it may be very important. Again, some will find their desired satisfaction level, others will require the equivalent of a Karate chop to the throat before they are satisfied and maybe not even then.

4. Draw: Some like it stiff others prefer loose and airy. The reactions to the original Protank's draws are clear and ample evidence of at least some level of dissatisfaction and of peoples individual preferences. For me, I found the right draw on the Davides, but not until I had covered up two of the three airholes. And still, their is a part of me that wishes there was another airhole in the things, cuz I feel I am not totally there yet.

5. New Vapers: Due to the steep experimentation and learning curves, it may take sometime to find their desired level of satisfaction. Many will find it, others will not. Some will give up and go back to smoking. I count myself as a new vaper, as I am less than 3 months in. So this may be a part of it for me.

6. The Hobyist/Tinkering/Gagdet loving Vaper: The sheer variety of choices when it comes to vaping and vaping equipment is mind blowing. These vapers really enjoy the hobbyist aspects of vaping. It is very much like a kid in a candy store. And there is a desire to constantly screw something new onto their device, or delve into the world of DIY E-liquid and rebuildables. Vaping becomes for them, in many cases, more than a hobby, it becomes a lifestyle. Indeed the whole vaping thing is something of a subculture. I count myself as one of these, and herein may lie the real joy of vaping.

7. The Fad or Trend chasing Vaper: Because of the evolving nature of electronic cigarette technology, a new device is always coming out, or another way of doing things is discovered. None of us want to miss the "vaping boat" and for some vapers the social (facebook'esque) aspects of vaping are very important. It is very much "Keeping up with the Joneses" as it were.

Many vapers can relate to some or all of these, and it is likely a complex cocktail of many things that come together. A very interesting and enjoyable topic. Thanks for all the replies.
 

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Sorry for smashing your desire to find at least one common denominator among vapers, but, I have no desire to try new flavors. None. Been there done that. When I started vaping I tried and tried to find a flavor I really liked, wasted a lot of money in the effort. Then I turned to DIY, if I could not find a satisfying ADV I would create one, again I spent a lot of of money and accumulated well over 50 jars of flavorings.

Then I read a post where another DIY'er suggested dripping unflavored in your atty to clean it out between testing your flavor experiments. So, I started dripping unflavored just to clean out my atomizer, and Lo and Behold I discovered the perfect vape. Unflavored nic. It was the most perfectly satisfying vape (for me, at least). In the two years since I made that discovery I have not wanted to mess up my vaping by adding flavoring to my eliquid, it is just perfect without.

Interesting. Never tried it. Is it a PG or VG base of unflavored nic that you enjoy? Or a blend?

Arnie, depends on the vendor or if you diy. In my case, I'm pretty impressed with unflavored. See, my vendor was kind enough to include a free bottle of unflavored in the last order and I'm glad she did because while I'm waiting for my new order to ship, I ran out of my ADV. So I turned to unflavored and just like kushka, I was skeptical but now I'm impressed.

So much so, that my next order I will include more unflavored along with my ADV. Unflavored is also great for when you have vapers tongue or just feel sick like got a cold or infection, ya know.

Unflavored gives same vapor production and throat hit, just witout any um, flavor! Which as a smoker, I never cared much about as long as I was feeding my Nic genes as it were. Try it Arnie, ya might like it.

I can't speak on the VG:pG element because in my case, my vendor does not disclose that information (which in some ways, takes the pressure off me, because I'm content with it working, let alone the backstory)

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Interesting. Never tried it. Is it a PG or VG base of unflavored nic that you enjoy? Or a blend?

I started vaping unflavored PG, basically because I work at a university and stealth vape at work (do not want to be a bad example to the kids, and all of that) and straight pg produces much less vapor, especially when inhaled. Then a few months ago I started having chest pains, and read that some people have that problem with PG, so I switched to 100% VG, and stopped inhaling. I have since cut it back to a blend of about 75%-80%VG to 25-30%PG. I vape 30mg/ml. I blend it myself - by blending it myself I mean I usually but 60mg/ml or 100mg/ml and add either 50% or 66% PG and/or VG which really involves very little -
 

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Personally speaking, I do not follow your assessment as I am perfectly satisfied by the use of the PV delivery and I have no desire consciously or not to have an analog and haven't after the first 45 days or so of quitting them. I am very satisfied with this and am very thankful that I finally decided to give them a try after thinking for the longest time that is was some type of a fad or scam type of thing going on like so many of the made for TV crap, glad that wasn't the case, however it did take me a couple of trial and errors on the cig-a-like kits before I found one that made it easy to just leave the analogs alone, but as most finally got hooked up with a more advanced PV and am perfectly happy.
 

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Personally speaking, I do not follow your assessment as I am perfectly satisfied by the use of the PV delivery and I have no desire consciously or not to have an analog and haven't after the first 45 days or so of quitting them. I am very satisfied with this and am very thankful that I finally decided to give them a try after thinking for the longest time that is was some type of a fad or scam type of thing going on like so many of the made for TV crap, glad that wasn't the case, however it did take me a couple of trial and errors on the cig-a-like kits before I found one that made it easy to just leave the analogs alone, but as most finally got hooked up with a more advanced PV and am perfectly happy.

That's not what he was saying at all... he wasn't implying vapers want to smoke, he was implying we're always looking for better VAPE equipment/juice/etc
 

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I'd like to hear from oldschool vapers (4+ years) about how ejuices have advanced or evolved in time.

I'm not quite at 4 years constantly vaping, but I've been around for 3 years (have taken breaks here and there). I remember when juices only came in 80/20 from a lot of vendors and if they offered anything else it was probably 70/30 or 60/40 and tasteless. As far as flavor goes it's kinda hard to put that in perspective since tastebuds change over such a long period, but I'd say they've gotten more "on the mark."

In the past any bakery juices pretty much tasted like cookie dough to me. I've actually just now gotten back into trying more bakery-style juices and I've been impressed at the complex flavors some vendors have managed to squeeze out now. Fruits tasted almost exclusively like their candy counterparts, I never ran into any "true" fruit flavors like you can find everywhere now. Tobaccos and menthols were much the same for me.

I guess as with everything they've improved over the years - more variety in flavors, more accurate flavors, and stronger flavors.
 

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That's not what he was saying at all... he wasn't implying vapers want to smoke, he was implying we're always looking for better VAPE equipment/juice/etc

I fully understand this, I was again speaking of me personally, I am satisfied with almost all of my equipment, fine with my juices etc, the only other piece of equipment I wish to get is the Innokin SVD I have no need to keep going on all the other types of mods such as the mechs as I just don't see that as being practical for me, I used the PV to help me stop smoking and to not revert back, it's not a hobby thing for me likes others that spend an unbelievable amount of money for a metal tube, which is fine if that is what you like doing. I find I enjoy vaping and just want to make sure I have what I need to keep off the cancer sticks, nothing wrong with a little upgrading when it comes to making sure you have yourself covered for that.
 
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