Wizard Labs Nic Base Reviews

[classwife]

To clear up any confusion from a few posts back... :

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/ecf-forum-rules/51178-forum-rules.html

22. Nicotine strength
a. The maximum nicotine strength of eliquids allowed to be offered for sale on ECF by Suppliers is 36mg or 3.6%. No liquid of strength higher than this can be specifically offered or specifically mentioned by Suppliers. Trade deals are exempt, within private supplier boards only, as higher strengths are needed for trade bulk mixing. Note that there are shipping restrictions in some countries for toxic materials, which can be obtained by application to your local Postal Service and private shippers, and you are cautioned not to contravene these restrictions.

b. Suppliers can sell whatever strength they wish with the exception of pure nicotine (900mg / 90% and above). Sites that sell pure nicotine will be blocked by ECF. We define 'pure nicotine' as 90% / 900mg/ml or higher.

c. There is a limit on public discussion of 200mg (20%) maximum for mixing discussion, recipes and tutorials, and also in the Classifieds.

d. The use of 'Pure Nicotine' cannot be discussed (in detail) on public forums on ECF (trade forums are exempt) due to the hazard [1] - see Notes below. That is to say, it can be mentioned in passing but not discussed at length especially as regards mixing.

Notes

[1] It became obvious that some members joining in discussion of pure nicotine did not have any idea of the danger, or any knowledge of working with hazardous chemicals, or even any basic knowledge of measurements. Pure nic is as dangerous as cyanide - opening a bottle in a room can result in all present being poisoned. It must be handled in a fume cupboard, with hazmat precautions. Pure nic can be theoretically defined as: Nicotine 100%, 1000mg, 1000mg/ml, but is more likely to be found as 998mg, 997mg/ml or 990 mg (99%). We consider anything over 90% / 900mg to be 'pure nic'. No discussion of use or links to suppliers whatsoever* are allowed.

There is a very real danger of death or hospitalization with this material and ECF cannot support any publicity of its use or sources. There is no need to use it since far safer strengths are available for bulk mixing, such as 48mg (4.8% nicotine in PG or VG), 60mg (6%), and 100mg (10%). To protect our members and ourselves we do not allow discussion or sources of anything over 200mg (20% nic)*.

Advertising/promotion on ECF cannot exceed 36mg strength. Vendor's sites can sell any strength up to 89% though we advise vendors to limit sales to 10% / 100mg/ml where possible. Sites selling pure nic will be banned.

* Except within private trade forums.

 

[Lyndagayle]

Almost as easy to just get 60mg nic in VG and just add two parts PG to one part VG nic. By the time you got done flavoring it it'd be pretty darned close to 18mg 70/30 and if you liked the mix you could mix up an unflavored batch in advance

But - I suggest everybody try working in straight VG at least once - I haven't used PG except for what's in flavoring since about a month after I started vaping

Don't you have to use more flavoring in straight VG mixes? I might give it try with my next mix.

 

[wizard10000]

Don't you have to use more flavoring in straight VG mixes? I might give it try with my next mix.

I find that I do have to use a bit more flavoring but my body doesn't like PG at all. The only PG I use is what's in the flavoring so my jooses are all at least 90% VG. I can really fog up a room

 

[J MacLeod]

Another tip for storing bulk nicotine solutions is to divide your bulk bottle into several smaller glass bottles before storing in the freezer.
This will allow you to work from a single bottle without repeatedly exposing the entire solution to excess oxygen each time.

 

[buffaloguy]

+ 1 to both John's advice and wizard1000. The cheapest prices Ive found on glass bottles (i just priced them last night through several vendors suggested throughout ecf) is Sunburstbottle.com. Amber glass boston round bottles are best dor nic storage. If you like cobalt blue you can use those too.

I like wizard only vape VG except for flavorings and the extracts I make into PG. After moving to vg you realize how stale tasting PG can make your mixes. Unlike others tho I find the extra flavoring used for VG mixes is nominal. Ive done comparisons and determined that in many cases VG based juices ( with the same exact flavoring amount as in a PG juice) have far better flavor. Most will say Im crazy but the tests Ive done at home prove otherwise.

 

[hairball]

Another tip for storing bulk nicotine solutions is to divide your bulk bottle into several smaller glass bottles before storing in the freezer.
This will allow you to work from a single bottle without repeatedly exposing the entire solution to excess oxygen each time.

Yes and if you use the euro dropper bottles, you don't have to fully open the bottle when you need one...just a tiny hole to insert a needle to extract out what you want. Kurt is the one that told me to use them a long time ago. Also, let a frozen bottle (although they don't fully freeze) to warm to room temperature before cracking the lid open. He has a safety/storage sticky thread on here somewhere.

 

[wolcen]

+ 1 to both John's advice and wizard1000. The cheapest prices Ive found on glass bottles (i just priced them last night through several vendors suggested throughout ecf) is Sunburstbottle.com. Amber glass boston round bottles are best dor nic storage. If you like cobalt blue you can use those too.

I like wizard only vape VG except for flavorings and the extracts I make into PG. After moving to vg you realize how stale tasting PG can make your mixes. Unlike others tho I find the extra flavoring used for VG mixes is nominal. Ive done comparisons and determined that in many cases VG based juices ( with the same exact flavoring amount as in a PG juice) have far better flavor. Most will say Im crazy but the tests Ive done at home prove otherwise.

Hi buffaloguy (50/50 I'm guessing? or more buffalo? regardless...), I was wondering if you were including steeping time in your taste comparisons? I have a couple all VG mixes I'd done a month ago now, and they have good TH and very prominent flavor. Guess I'm just curious if one responds to steeping better than the other.

 

[buffaloguy]

Im pg intolerant wolcen. I can handle it in small doses but if the juice has more than 30pg I cant handle much of it. The only pg I use comes from flavoring. Most of mine average 75-80% VG. The rest is flavoring, distilled water, and any sweetener if I use it for that mix.

I vape most of my juice immediately. Fruit, drink, and dessert flavors I let age generally 24 hours. Tobaccos as we all know can develop for weeks on end but generally those only sit a max of three days before I start in on them... lol.

The tests I was referring to are ones I did purposely a couple weeks ago just out of curiousity. I made the same juice just swapping pg for vg nic base. The vg with the same amount of flavoring was the winner. Taste is subjective of course but I tried to minimize any variances. They both aged for three days and were tried again at 7 and 10 days.

 

[wolcen]

Hey Jimi D: finally mixed up two 30mg 50/50 bottles to try out. Sorry it took so long...I understand I'm under no obligation or anything, but I like to do something if I say I'm going to and it's now a week later.

Anyway - definitely have to do this in the morning, doing it now is basically pointless as I'm barely getting TH from anything at the moment.

FWIW, I was vaping it unflavored @ 24-36mg. There is TH, but it seemed on the smoother side to me. Maybe it's just be me, I dunno? (e.g. CyrusVap didn't get much TH from RTS and I felt that TH was "normal", but then I haven't tried MFS, ECX, nor VZ). This was also while doing comparative testing with other nic in that range though, so I may have already toned down my TH response by that point - I was definitely reaching my limits that day LOL

I can mix some for some morning this week @ 30mg and do 50/50 vg/pg which will allow me to compare to RTS at the same ratio (I have RTS in VG 60mg and the Ice in PG 60mg so I'm stuck at 50/50 [at 30mg] to keep it apples-to-apples).

 

[wolcen]

Well...

I've decided I can't do this test - at least not as I had hoped. I have two samples @ 30mg, and I get the most TH only from the very first hit of whatever I have and then my perception trails off almost immediately. It seems I am just desensitized to it much too quickly.

Yesterday (last night) I had taken the first hit of the RTS, and got a great whack of TH. Subsequent hits (of either) - practically nothing by comparison. This morning I took the first hit of the WL, and again nice TH on the first hit, and then I get very little from either.

The WL clearly does have TH, but I think it's more mild than the RTS (judging by the first draw alone, I would have to say the RTS has more punch). I can at least say with certainty that the WL is easier on the nose than the RTS in that I can let it drift up to my nose before inhaling and I don't feel like my nose is on fire when I exhale.

Bottom line Jimi: as a TH fan, I could be wrong but I don't think WL Ice would be to your liking. As per vaping norms though: YMMV so I can only guess.

 

[Jimi D.]

Well...

I've decided I can't do this test - at least not as I had hoped. I have two samples @ 30mg, and I get the most TH only from the very first hit of whatever I have and then my perception trails off almost immediately. It seems I am just desensitized to it much too quickly.

Yesterday (last night) I had taken the first hit of the RTS, and got a great whack of TH. Subsequent hits (of either) - practically nothing by comparison. This morning I took the first hit of the WL, and again nice TH on the first hit, and then I get very little from either.

The WL clearly does have TH, but I think it's more mild than the RTS (judging by the first draw alone, I would have to say the RTS has more punch). I can at least say with certainty that the WL is easier on the nose than the RTS in that I can let it drift up to my nose before inhaling and I don't feel like my nose is on fire when I exhale.

Bottom line Jimi: as a TH fan, I could be wrong but I don't think WL Ice would be to your liking. As per vaping norms though: YMMV so I can only guess.

Thanks Wolcen, but I wouldn't feel much of a TH with all that VG. I vape 70/30 pg vg mostly. I also use EMDCC's which gives one hell of a th.

 

[mwa102464]

True but once you open the bottle it condensates on the inside unless you let it sit until to close to room temp..I prefer to keep my nic at a cool room temp..like I said though I won't be storing it more than 6 months really for those buying large quantities that will be stored over a year freezing is probably best...

Yes, but obviously I dont open my 250 & 500 ML Bottle every time I need Nic, I keep 2 x 30ML Bottles in my freezer and always work from those. Then when I run those to empty I take from the big bottle to fill the 2 x 30ml bottles. Oxygen is obviously one of the Nics enemies but when I refill my 30 ml bottles it is done so very quickly there isnt even enough time for hardly any condensation to happen I do it so fast. I think people are getting a bit .... about condensation here quite frankly, either way the freezer is by far the best place to keep the Nic, over any other place by leaps and bounds. Keeping Nic at room temp is not the best way to store it even if your keeping it for 3-6 months, I've stored it every which way possible and the freezer always WINS since early 2009.

 

[buffaloguy]

Wolcen I gotta say.... I disagree with ya. I have spent the past week with a nice big 250ml batch of wizards ice in 60mg 100% VG. Mixing like crazy...

I am absolutely thrilled with this nic base. I cant recommend it enough. It is CLEAR and bright. I have never had finished juices this clear, and stay clear. I have clear glass bottles and there is zero cloudyness to any of the juice Ive made with it. Ive also found that it carrys flavorings a tad bit better. For VG thats impressive.

I cant speak for the pg, but the all vg is great stuff.

Ive never got any real "throat" from any providers VG and really dont care about that. However, I do get a throat hit every time with the ice. I never experienced that before using all VG. Maybe because Im not used to it I sense it more. Its not a ton, but it is there. I really like this mix. Its good stuff.

If you like a hard throat hit, no it doesnt have that but for a VG mix, im impressed.

 

[Cyrus Vap]

Buffalo you're saying you've never gotten a strong TH from a VG based nic? Not sure I'm reading your sentence right

 

[Cyrus Vap]

Wolcen it could also be that you haven't find your upper limit of tolerable. When I vape normally (20ish) I too get a wicked hit first thing in the am, then t goes away. Comes back after a break, then goes away.

One reason I sample my nic at 33-35 is its the level at which the throat never stops. If I chain vape I get stomach issues, but the throat hit is still there

 

[buffaloguy]

Yes, I said I never have. Not like the ice mix thats for sure. But as I said maybe aim not that sensitive to it. I notice it with the ice mix. I personally dont care about it eirher way. it wouldnt make or break a vape for me.

I sould add that I now vape in the 12-14mg range. Started at 18. So for the nic content I use I think any throat hit is impressive.

 

[Cyrus Vap]

Thanks for the clarification man. Yeah I'm trying to cut down, but I'm usually in the 20-24 range, used to be 24-36 and I don't notice any difference in PG nic vs. VG nic in that range. I don't get any throat hit at all under 18, except maybe the first hit lol.

 

[Mroutlaw]

Wizard labs is awesome. Their pg, vg and nic bases are fresh and crystal clear. They make you batch fresh when you order.

The people their are very nice and accommodating. I found out they are down the street from me. I called and asked about picking my order up and they changed their website to allow for local pickup. I place my order and by the next day, they call and say its ready. Everything comes neatly packed and put into sealed plastic bags


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[Shilo]

Well I finally tried the Ice PG nic and I like it much better than the original---good job Wizard!!!!

 

[wolcen]

Wolcen I gotta say.... I disagree with ya. I have spent the past week with a nice big 250ml batch of wizards ice in 60mg 100% VG. Mixing like crazy...
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If you like a hard throat hit, no it doesnt have that but for a VG mix, im impressed.

Eh, I just don't think I'm a good test subject for the matter - my TH perception may just be wonky, and it certainly changes day to day.

We agree though buffaloguy that it's outstanding nic. I guess it just works very well for both of us, but in some differing ways.

Wolcen it could also be that you haven't find your upper limit of tolerable. When I vape normally (20ish) I too get a wicked hit first thing in the am, then t goes away. Comes back after a break, then goes away.

One reason I sample my nic at 33-35 is its the level at which the throat never stops. If I chain vape I get stomach issues, but the throat hit is still there

My normal range is also right about 20ish. It's rare that 24 doesn't keep me very satisfied now. I can only do the 30+ (max 36) range for testing unflavored nic for a 1/2hr or so before I have to stop, and not because my throat is killing me.

It's that nice TH whack on inhale that diminishes very fast most days On exhaling I do get a build up of irritation, but I pretty much always get that if not drinking water (and that irritation is what often keeps me filling my water bottle). I get very little (if even any) of that from below, say, 16mg.