Wizard Labs Nic Base Reviews

[wolcen]

Ok it has been a few days coming but my review Small opinion at this time on wizards nic is excellent. I have been buying rts nic but the price on this nic is just too good to pass up. It seems to have a bit more Of a scent This is probably due to extraction method, but take that with. Grain of salt as I am no chemist,(although I play one on tv) and as far as clarity it is on par with rts.

And John was nice enough to send me a sample of some new nic he is working with. And It is excellent. Matter of fact it is crystal clear. It is so clear it looks like water. It seemed to have a bit more th and mouth feel to it.
More to come as I experiment more with it and some different flavors.

And on the packaging. It is the best I have ever seen.

And I dont know If you are going to carry flavour art John,but it would be really nice if u did. I know u probably would have to go higher on price compared to tpa, but maybe you could look into it, especially the tob flavorings.

If you order from wizard labs you can't go wrong. The nic is great and the cs is superb.

Well, it seems the news is out that there's this "new stuff" floating around, so I guess I won't hold my tongue any longer about it since a few posts have mentioned it now. Just please don't overflow Johns email with requests for "When's it coming? How much is it?" etc. etc. I'm sure we'll hear soon enough (if anyone else has any good info though, please share!)

The new variety I also received (which I was told is 99.9% pure nic compared to the current 99.8% nic available now) is absolutely crystal clear. It came in a clear narrow mouth glass bottle and really does look like water. It also has absolutely NO odor that I can detect [what I have is 60mg PG]. I really would have believed it wasn't even nic juice I was wafting to my nose if I hadn't gotten a tingling feeling in my nose from it. RTS 60mg (VG) on the other hand has a very clear smell to me (which I don't actually find to be an offensive odor to be honest - but easily detectable nonetheless). The RTS 60 I have has been around for a bit, but I do remember getting the same smell when I received it.

If you are the type that wants flavor from your nic itself, this new stuff is probably not for you. If you prefer to taste your flavorings only however, this is exactly what you want. Unlike k3vin, I found this stuff to be smoother actually. I'm always tempted to let some vapor drift up to my nose before inhaling, and with pretty much everything I've used (aside from very low nic and non-offensive flavorings), this is just too irritating for me to repeat. With this juice however, I certainly still feel it, but it's something I can do repeatedly and actually enjoy.

I do not have the supplies to test the nic level in this, but hope to soon. I would have suspected it was actually lower nic than it says it's so smooth/colorless/odorless, but I can feel its effects, so that suspicion died quickly.

The only question that remains for me, is how much more potentially it will cost. Even if it were a good bump more expensive, it is worth it to me, both for its characteristics, and also since I'd be dealing with someone that I believe to be an upstanding guy.

 

[tierrataz]

Is the "new" nic organic? What makes it colorless/odorless? I've read that chemicals can be added for clear liquid, but I'd want to know what they are before I vape them myself. Even the RTS oxidizes considerably stored in opaque bottles in my experience. Strong flavor is more a concern for me and I am very happy with Johns product.

Edit: even light florals such as lotus, cherry blossom, and honeysuckle are lovely in WL base!

 

[k3vin]

Wolcen,as u say it does seem smoother. My review is from a taste test I did almost immediately after mixing, which I always do.
I will be trying it again tonight at work after sitting a few days and see how it compares.
Thanks for your review. Need to get the word out that wizard nic is the best bang for your buck.

 

[WA3PNT]

Wolcen,as u say it does seem smoother. My review is from a taste test I did almost immediately after mixing, which I always do.
I will be trying it again tonight at work after sitting a few days and see how it compares.
Thanks for your review. Need to get the word out that wizard nic is the best bang for your buck.

My only correction to your post is the use of the singular "buck".

I just got off the WL Site, and it was definitely a plural "bucks". LOL

Their site is as addictive as their products.

RodeoGeorge

 

[k3vin]

I stand corrected. U are correct one will save many bucks

 

[wolcen]

Is the "new" nic organic?

As far as I understand it, absolutely! Let me put that into context though: I don't know what you (or anyone else) means by organic. And I probably mean something different than you do.

As far as I know, "organic nicotine" is simply what you'd call the nic everyone's using. In other words, I've decided for myself that this is simply "the full name" of this product and means to me that it is nicotine that is extracted from plants as opposed to a synthetically produced product.This is just my opinion/guess given I've found no formal information confirming otherwise. The #1 source of nicotine is tobacco - this defines it as organic nicotine to the best of my understanding.

Others have posited that the extraction is done with less chemically harsh "organic" extraction techniques. That seems sensible enough to me (there are techniques labeled as such) but I have not seen confirmation of this, and believe it as beyond what anyone can safely assume. I'm pretty sure some would read organic in a name and even think this would means the tobacco it's extracted from is organically grown. I'd be hugely surprised if any vendor went to that extreme and didn't make it very obvious they had.

Despite a lack of clarification on the matter, it appears plenty of people take the label to mean the nicotine is something "less dangerous" or otherwise "cleaner" or "more natural" in some way than other products in the market. This is why I raised the question to begin with: I didn't think I should overlook the fact that others appeared to be making an assumption that I believed should probably not be made.

While some people do actually care what it means, I personally don't. First of all, we're all [hopefully!] aware: nicotine is a poison. If I were that worried about it being "organic", I don't understand why I'd be using nicotine to begin with. Secondly, if it's 99.9% pure, then when I'm using 24mg in my liquids, I would theoretically have up to 0.0024% of something unknown in my mix (discounting of course the impurities present in the other liquid ingredients). I'm more concerned with some of the flavors we use at MUCH higher concentrations than one quarter of one hundredth of one percent!

What makes it colorless/odorless? I've read that chemicals can be added for clear liquid, but I'd want to know what they are before I vape them myself

Don't know, me too, and I'd be curious to know as well, though I'm definitely not holding off on vaping this - it's my "top of the line" nic now (I place it above the RTS I have left and save it for my best, tested recipes). I'm not concerned about "seeing" the nicotine. I don't care if it's as brown as my tobacco tincture if I can't taste it or else it tastes good. I have plenty of juice that's yellow/orange/brown with flavorings, so...? Even pharmaceutical documentation speaks to the fact that the nicotine in NRTs will turn yellow-brown as a result of oxidation. I've only ever thought of the color of nicotine when I receive it as something of a guessing gauge for it's age and/or handling. I've heard others claim that impurities cause discoloration. Those would have to be some pretty colorful or amazingly oxidation-inducing impurities at .1% of 10% (in 100mg juice). Many others seem amazed by clarity however, so I figured I'd "me too" the comment (I mean, it IS clear as water - I'll get a pic up eventually). To me, your last point is really whats important:

Strong flavor is more a concern for me

Yep! Along with any smells, and the "feel" of the liquid at the highest levels I go to (an occasional drop or three of 36, but normally 18 with a little 24 here and there during the average day). I don't care for a peppery nicotine that burns my throat until I drink some water. Some people love that sort of throat hit though. The 99.8% nic juice is very comparable to RTS's product to me in these respects (smell / taste / TH). The newer mix however is the best I've used to date. No flavor/smell and a smooth (but present), non-peppery TH is right up my alley

 

[AuBadge]

And I dont know If you are going to carry flavour art John,but it would be really nice if u did. I know u probably would have to go higher on price compared to tpa, but maybe you could look into it, especially the tob flavoring

WL already carries FA flavors. I just ordered 15 flavors from them, and all but 1 was FA (the other one was LA).

 

[wolcen]

WL already carries FA flavors. I just ordered 15 flavors from them, and all but 1 was FA (the other one was LA).

FA as in Flavour Art, or were you thinking that was The Flavor Apprentice? Most people call the latter TPA (for The Perfumers Apprentice - their parent company).

+1 to carry FA, even at a higher price. My bad if I missed the FA flavors.

 

[tierrataz]

I tried to find how they define "organic" on the site and found nothing. It is an oft loose or even misused term in marketing. It seems redundant to me to use "regular" tobacco but process organically or vise versa. It would be nice if it was explained on the site.

 

[LookMa`NoSmoK]

Wizlabs homepage, it talks about it, vaguely.

 

[k3vin]

If John can keep the 99.9% nic below rts he will be my new vendor, although that may be a moot point as the nic he has for sale right now is just fine for me.

 

[LookMa`NoSmoK]

Yeah, I have heard enough about it. When can I buy some?

 

[k3vin]

It's still in the beta stage of testing

 

[mace bewley]

Another vote up for WL. They new beta liq is superb IMHO. Can't wait till it is up for sale.

 

[AuBadge]

FA as in Flavour Art, or were you thinking that was The Flavor Apprentice? Most people call the latter TPA (for The Perfumers Apprentice - their parent company).

+1 to carry FA, even at a higher price. My bad if I missed the FA flavors.

Oops, I stand corrected. It IS Flavor Apprentice.

 

[Leothwyn]

As far as I know, "organic nicotine" is simply what you'd call the nic everyone's using. In other words, I've decided for myself that this is simply "the full name" of this product and means to me that it is nicotine that is extracted from plants as opposed to a synthetically produced product.This is just my opinion/guess given I've found no formal information confirming otherwise. The #1 source of nicotine is tobacco - this defines it as organic nicotine to the best of my understanding.

I hope that's not the reason they call it organic. That would be just this side of a lie. Sort of like throwing a rock through someone's window and saying 'I didn't break your window. I didn't even touch it.' If something is being sold as organic it's supposed to mean more than just that the product isn't synthetic.

I could see it being called organic because it was extracted in some special organic way (I don't know anything about how they do it, or if that's even a possibility), but to call it that just because it was taken from a living thing seems like a sneaky technicality
.
Hopefully it means that it's extracted from organically grown tobacco. It would be nice to get a good deal on a good product, and support more responsible farming.

 

[LookMa`NoSmoK]

From Homepage of website:

Wizard Labs is an FDA registered facility located in South Florida, USA, specializing in organic extracts, carrier fluids, labware, concentrated liquid flavorings and flavor enhancers for alternative nicotine product research and development. Purity of ingredients, quality control, and safety are our highest priorities.

All Wizard Labs liquid nicotine solutions and concentrated flavorings are produced using only the highest quality USP grade, and FDA approved ingedients for your safety and peace of mind. Our organic nicotine extraction is performed through partnership with one of the providing labs to Johnson & Johnson's global line of nicotine based products for your assurance of chemical purity, quality control, and reliable results.

 

[LookMa`NoSmoK]

I think there has been enough speculation that we should just get the info from the horses mouth, on the current and upcoming product.

 

[wolcen]

I think there has been enough speculation that we should just get the info from the horses mouth, on the current and upcoming product.

FWIW, I've gone to the horse [today] on this and another related matter. I'm personally more curious than anything, but I also like being able to get answers, so we'll see where it goes.

The other question is that of documentation of USP certification, which I have also asked of 4 other vendors.

 

[LookMa`NoSmoK]

look forward to hearing the results