No worries. It's easy to get heated on this issue. I know it wasn't any kind of slight on me.
Am I the only person who has a problem with ppl making juice in their homes?
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No worries. It's easy to get heated on this issue. I know it wasn't any kind of slight on me.
Very good point. I guess, it is an exemple of what self regulation is . Let see what the outcome of it is. Maybe Suicide bunny and the other 75% will fess up and stop producing e-liquid with high risks of lung damage.
Doubtful, but I bet we get more vendors popping up with proof that they are free of said risks. That's the point (for me at least), not that there is no eliquid that has diacetyl, but for us to know which ones actually don't. The rest should be left up to the chooser, or the risk taker (
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Very nice. I did not realize that there were 2 ECF members involved as well. That is nice to know.
It can be done. Just in the Fed Ex world we live in today, things don't always happen yesterday.
Hopefully this will put a little fire under others feet to "step up their game".
not counting the fact it wasn't shaken or labeled that's basically how its made.
most places either have a set ratio of PG and,VG pre-mixed.them just add the correct amount
of nic and flavors.
some large companies have automated equipment you can set for the desired amount of each ingredient.
then its just squirt,squirt,squirt,shake(hand shake or electro-mechanical device) and label.
if i was mixing all day as a job i would wear gloves. no real need for a respirator as
there shouldn't be any appreciable amount of noxious fumes in the air.
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mike
i completely agree with your sentiments.
what is sad is every vendor could be selling top brand well made equipment and juice and,
something bad will happen eventually. with the same knee jerk,reactionary responses.
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mike
How absurd is that? A cigarette company going to the FDA to complain about the health risks of ecigs? Ridiculous.
And winning them over by default to have the FDA fight their battles for them.
Patently absurd. But tis the world we live in. Some folks need to come to grips with these realities.
I understand, and concur with "will be regulated.
I do not understand the wording of "should be regulated."
Much of this this thread seems to be arguing for "should be regulated" and thank God there are many others before me on this thread that have countered that notion. I strongly believe that regulations will keep growing and keeping getting hyped up.
Let's say all 50 of us agree on 'reasonable regulations' for safety concerns. I see a group of 200 coming along and saying, 'yeah, you all don't know what you are even talking about. Here's the science that shows why more regulations are necessary.' Some of our 50 will defect from the 'reasonable regulations' we came up with and join the group of 200+ that has seemingly more accuracy in their list of 'reasonable regulations.' Then a group of 1000 will come along ad say, 'yeah, your little club has very little understanding of the micro-science involved in this. And your faulty regulations reflect this. Here's the latest and greatest list of 'reasonable regulations.' And then 10,000 will come along and ....
Vaping industry has had abundant opportunity to self regulate, and has, for various reasons, dropped the ball. There's some of that going on, but not enough to deal with the 100,000 that WILL come along to 'reasonably regulate' vaping, FDA style. Here on ECF, all 4,000 of us may think that is a crock and despise what FDA is up to. But, I'm pretty sure we are way outnumbered by the million plus that sees it simply as "FDA is looking out for us." And who will see threads like this and read all the way up to page three to realize, even vapers know what they've been inhaling isn't safe. Surely they agree with the FDA's attempt at 'reasonable regulations.'
It's funny how in the Golden Era of vaping there were all of what, maybe 3, known incidences of people harmed from vaping. I'm very confident in the 'reasonable regulated' world of vaping, with the many sterile labs that will exist (or must exist) that there will be dozens of known incidences. A generation from now, they'll be wondering how we were able to make such great products with such a minute level of incidences.
Wouldn't such a person be risking massive lawsuits and probable jail time?
As I once explained to my son, when he wanted to drive my car but wasn't licensed... the jails are just FULL of people convinced that they wouldn't get caught. I was astonished when my son, then just 18, actually agreed and stopped arguing with me. 
I think that was my first inkling that he was actually becoming a grownup.
Andria
I think that was my first inkling that he was actually becoming a grownup. Andria
But if there is no good reason to do those things, then who would do it unless they purposely wanted to hurt people?
Yes, it probably would sell very well, since it would be about the only liquid refills available due to having gained FDA approval.
But that is NOT their most profitable business plan, by any stretch of the imagination.
And therefore, it is NOT what they are aiming for.
They don't want to make profits on vaping so much as they want to keep selling cigarettes.
Their ideal business plan would have them cornering the market on electronic cigarettes...
And then selling such products in a way that would be mostly ineffective for people to quit and stay quit...
So they continue to get the money from cigarettes, and the money from those that make a feeble attempt to buy their expensive tamper-proof cartridges and continue to use them.
Their market will be aimed at the following groups...
--Those that wish to use them where smoking is not allowed
--Those that wish to use them at home so they don't have to go outside
--Those that wish to try and quit smoking with them, but will eventually fail
--Those that are actually able to quit smoking with them and can afford the massive cost
This is the only LOGICAL outcome that I can envision.
It's really the current best case scenario that gives them what they want, what the FDA/government wants, what the ANTZ want, and what Big Pharma wants.
Not that any of them get what they REALLY want, but it gives all of them something, which is much more than what they'll get if we somehow find a way to stop the regulations.
What will they be able to sell? Only FDA approved liquids. And who's liquids will that be? Probably only Big Tobacco, who can afford the cost of FDA approval.
And in that scenario, they will not be able to keep any such business open and thriving.
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I guess what I'm getting at is that if a Mom and Pop shop could only sell FDA approved liquids from Big Tobacco, how would they stay in business?
I will admit that old ingredients might be had on the cheap.
But would anyone buy them beyond once? And would they hurt you or just suck?
I think they would just suck, but not hurt anyone.
And there would be no repeat buyers, hence end of their business.
In other words, it won't work.
I guess I am just having trouble seeing how or why anyone would put anything into our liquids that would cause harm.
I am not against the concept that it's possible, just that I don't see it happening.
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