Yup no joke! And we're not exposed to talk about the secret recipes. There's some stuff that goes in some of them you'd never believe. Like titanium dioxide in frosting and there's one cookie we make that has a little ammonia. They say the heat evaporates it out the cookie but when its just dough smells like a cat ...... in it. Lol
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Those with the will to Quit yet still Vape are either lying to themselves or Vape Hobbyist.
Those of us that were Worst offenders have just reason to be concerned.
I have no problem with you choosing not to stock up. It leaves product available for those seeing a need.
Thank you for helping others
I'm done. If the government ever comes to their senses and backs off this stupidity I will just open up a B&M as I have more than enough stock to get one started.
This quote
"The effective date of the regulations will be approximately August 10, 2016. Manufacturers will have two years from that date to submit PMTA's for every product (meaning every vaping device and every e-liquid) they wish to stay on the market. If the manufacturer submits a PMTA within this two-year period, it will be allowed to stay on the market for one additional year unless the FDA makes a decision on its application prior to that additional 12 months. If the application is not approved, the product must be taken off the market."
From this article The Rest of the Story: Tobacco News Analysis and Commentary: FDA E-Cigarette Deeming Regulations are a Disaster for Public Health
sounds like, to me, that I will be able to still buy anything I need until August 2018, am I missing something?
"The effective date of the regulations will be approximately August 10, 2016. Manufacturers will have two years from that date to submit PMTA's for every product (meaning every vaping device and every e-liquid) they wish to stay on the market. If the manufacturer submits a PMTA within this two-year period, it will be allowed to stay on the market for one additional year unless the FDA makes a decision on its application prior to that additional 12 months. If the application is not approved, the product must be taken off the market."
From this article The Rest of the Story: Tobacco News Analysis and Commentary: FDA E-Cigarette Deeming Regulations are a Disaster for Public Health
sounds like, to me, that I will be able to still buy anything I need until August 2018, am I missing something?
Watch out for the "States"..... Now that vape stuff is a tobacco product, the States want their piece of the action, and they are likely to move a lot faster.
It depends on what the states do on 8-8-16 and start regulating vape B&M's as tobacco shops, if they aren't licensed- bye bye! That is my biggest concern in my state, they have this list of things sellers and manufactures have to go thru and join to be licensed and they can only sell tobacco products on a master list, well no vape stuff on that master list! Ouch
This is on top of the FDA requirements. I am not taking chances.
I ordered more nic, I did get some more PG/VG to have enough to mix juices. Going to get a few more flavors I just tried and love! Sweet Southern Tea, yummmmm tastes just like the real thing and Arnold Palmer lemonade tea, this stuff is fabulous if you love tea I have been on a tea kick. I also tried Reindeer Poop, crazy gross name but very tasty cinnabon roll with a little vanilla ice cream and chocolate mixed in. Very tasty! I am really getting into this DIY juice again.
I have been on a tea kick. I also tried Reindeer Poop, crazy gross name but very tasty cinnabon roll with a little vanilla ice cream and chocolate mixed in. Very tasty! I am really getting into this DIY juice again.
That's just it. Safe than sorry. Age verification is going to be a requirement at both the point of sale and delivery for online purchases. Some companies won't want to bother complying with this. I order a lot of stuff from China. I worry that there could be problems there with age verification and signature deliveries. I also worry about sneaky legislation dooming 100mg nic fairly quickly. I'm personally not going to underestimate anything at this point. There is no way it will be business as usual like today in a year or 2.
That's how the regs are written, but, as other have pointed out, the states are always free to tax and regulate above and beyond what the FDA does.
Also, the FDA has stated that they are not done regulating. Any time after 10 August 2016, they are open to enact more specific regs such as no nic-base above Xmg except for licensed manufacturers, or no flavored juices, or they could say that they intend to issue no PMTAs for rebuild able atomizers or mods over 10w, citing a safety concern, and go ahead and shut those down immediately.
No guarantee, of course, that they will do any of this, but they've said that the deeming was, just as The name implies, the "foundational jurisdictional" regulation. The actual regulation is still to follow.
I have seen some State estimates that they can get over 1 billion dollars per year in ecig taxes. Classifying ecigs as tobacco opens that door wide open and makes it relatively easy when so many cigarette taxes already exist on the books. Many of the States are paying attention, trust me......
Funny thing, they won't get a dime if the industry is regulated out of existence. There's a disconnect there.
That doesnt really matter. The States, some at least, will get what they can while they can.
Also, ecigs wont disappear, there are multi-million dollar companies out there that are already experienced with negotiating FDA regulations, and the capital to invest in satisfying the FDA requirements. Ecigs will still exist, just maybe not in the form factors that we prefer.
Sure. If the FDA takes No More actions. And they Didn't mean anything when they said that the Deeming was "Foundational".
And if the Feds don't Snit Hammer us with Taxes.
And if States Don't do things like NJ is doing with Flavors. Or California is doing with Tobacco Sales in store. Or that Entire Train Wreck in Indiana.
And... well, you can get the Idea.
Right?
Pharmaceutical corporations have the resources to walk advanced personal vaporizers through these regulations. They have the labs, testing protocols, finances, and manufacturing facilities to easily comply. I just don't know what to think anymore. It's almost like the regs were written to hand everything over to big pharma and kick BT to the curb. I would take some small perverse pleasure if such was the case. Just thinking out loud here.
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