There is a hack for the Keurig, lol.
To add my observations to what Robin said, I think every aspect of vaping as a whole has always been divided. Mech/regulated, Authentic/clone, User replaceable battery/built-in battery, Pre-made juice/DIY, Open/Closed, Android/iOs 
& like everything in life, instead of embracing that not everyone likes the same things, there's always going to be people who only see their side of the coin. Yesterday I was one of those people looking at this from my own perspective & my brain wasn't ready to embrace that the closed system may actually be the future of vaping.
Open vs closed.....if we stop to think of our journeys, anyone who ever purchased an OTC nonrefillable ecig bought a closed system. Many of us found them lacking & following the evolutionary path we bought eGos & 1 or 2 bottles of juice. Skipping further & further along we've amassed devices that are leaps & bounds above an eGo. And as long as we're buying, someone is selling. But somewhere along our progression we forgot about the average smoker who never vaped- the person we were once. Based on where we're at now with our current setups we've forgotten that the never-vaper is still a smoker who may very well be served starting off just as we did but with something a lil better than the OTC ecig many of us detest.
Now with all that said, it still takes me back to something I said yesterday which is why did it take the deeming for the same individuals who were pushing the cloud & subohm gear to now care so much about the never-vaper? Where were these devices before? Why weren't they all over youtube?
I don't necessarily think these people saw the writing on the wall per se. I think they should've just been upfront with us & told us their intention of "fighting for our rights" would be done so via closed systems so that we won't end of feeling like they either turned on us or sold-out! I mean, if it weren't for many of them, we wouldn't have some of the gear we have now. From what I am seeing, it appears the open system vaper didn't just take a back seat but got shoved under the floorboards!
& like everything in life, instead of embracing that not everyone likes the same things, there's always going to be people who only see their side of the coin. Yesterday I was one of those people looking at this from my own perspective & my brain wasn't ready to embrace that the closed system may actually be the future of vaping.Open vs closed.....if we stop to think of our journeys, anyone who ever purchased an OTC nonrefillable ecig bought a closed system. Many of us found them lacking & following the evolutionary path we bought eGos & 1 or 2 bottles of juice. Skipping further & further along we've amassed devices that are leaps & bounds above an eGo. And as long as we're buying, someone is selling. But somewhere along our progression we forgot about the average smoker who never vaped- the person we were once. Based on where we're at now with our current setups we've forgotten that the never-vaper is still a smoker who may very well be served starting off just as we did but with something a lil better than the OTC ecig many of us detest.
Now with all that said, it still takes me back to something I said yesterday which is why did it take the deeming for the same individuals who were pushing the cloud & subohm gear to now care so much about the never-vaper? Where were these devices before? Why weren't they all over youtube?
I don't necessarily think these people saw the writing on the wall per se. I think they should've just been upfront with us & told us their intention of "fighting for our rights" would be done so via closed systems so that we won't end of feeling like they either turned on us or sold-out! I mean, if it weren't for many of them, we wouldn't have some of the gear we have now. From what I am seeing, it appears the open system vaper didn't just take a back seat but got shoved under the floorboards!
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Because it wasn't a necessity. Closed systems brought everyone together looking for better options. I think that will happen again. I believe it will be cyclical in that we will be forced into closed systems and our genius modders will figure out a way to make them more usable. I already see it happening on the MOD/POD thread LOL.
Back to the necessity thing for a moment. Many people have found ECF in order to fix, learn or find something better than what they have. Members of ECF tend to be a group of people that are looking for better than the closed systems.
Those that are using closed systems either are ok with them or they are curious about something better and come looking for information or go back to smoking.
With the deeming on us, and the possibility that closed is the only thing that might get through, manufacturers are trying to meld the best of two worlds together.
I can see where you feel that way.
I don't quite agree though. Many of us honestly thought that the deeming really couldn't go through, as written, the way it has! Now we are scrambling and new things really got pushed through before the 8/8 date.
what it boils down to is this is all a mess and the blame lays on the government. Pointing fingers at anyone else does not solve anything.
I agree regardless of what someone vapes, we are ALL vapers and we are all trying to survive the FDA, we are all in the same boat so let's not set our boat on fire! LOLVery well saidThe closed/open system debate is taking me back to the stock/no reason to stock debates. Or the "my vape is superior to your vape". We can be our worst enemy at times.
Sadly it isn't just vaping that divides us. Our once proud country has been brought to its knees by promoting division between groups.I have to admit though, I love this thread. We have all come together to help each other get prepared and that right there is a very good thing
I have been AWOL from FB because it gets so nasty out there and I just don't need that negative vibe in my lifeUnfortunately, they are. I am a member on almost all the group FB pages. I see the slams from one group over another group.
People blocking other people from their group pages.... it is getting bad out there.
What kills me, most of this is done out of fear. We fear what is coming and we lash out.
LOL
To add my observations to what Robin said, I think every aspect of vaping as a whole has always been divided. Mech/regulated, Authentic/clone, User replaceable battery/built-in battery, Pre-made juice/DIY, Open/Closed, Android/iOs
Why is the word that starts with a b, and powers all of our equipment turning the next few words of the post into random gobbly ....? Or is it only happening on my end that I'm seeing this? Saw it in a couple of older posts today too and it's aggravating me because I can't figure out why.
EDIT: And it doesn't carry over on quotes either.
If you are talking about the word B a t t e r y. Try clearing out your cache and cookies. I am not seeing what you are seeing.Why is the word that starts with a b, and powers all of our equipment turning the next few words of the post into random gobbly ....? Or is it only happening on my end that I'm seeing this? Saw it in a couple of older posts today too and it's aggravating me because I can't figure out why.
EDIT: And it doesn't carry over on quotes either.
As I posted on the other thread, Von Erl was one of the hosts of the after party for A Billion Lives in Wisconsin. I think that is a relevant statement for them. They are supporting our cause and moving forward with what looks to be the FDA's closed system future of vaping. Makes good business sense to me.
Bingo! This is where the focus should be for any angst. The FDA is the entity that threw open system users under the bus. The developers and sellers of these so called pod mods are offering the most likely to succeed option to try and keep vaping somewhat alive in the US market. And the products do look to be way more effective than what was around a couple years ago.
That's why I don't go to those on FB either, I just didn't realize it had gotten to the level Robin described.I have been AWOL from FB because it gets so nasty out there and I just don't need that negative vibe in my life
They are way more effective. We have learned a LOT in the last relatively few years.
Even if we are only able to use these closed systems, there will always be those who will try to mod them into a reusable device. We are a resourceful bunch
That is what the FDA just doesn't understand. Thank God.
Basically @ENAUD I believe you are correct. What I can't understand is why the vendors are running in all different directions. If I'm not mistaken there is a vendor forum here that they have that they can discuss things among themselves, decide which is the best way to go for the customers. This of course would be for our main vendors that are associated with ECF. Vendors on ECF, and those out there not associated with ECF, apparently do not talk to each other about anything.
And then you have to remember that vendors are only selling those things that people are wanting. Can any of us say that we Want a closed system?
Yeah, I didn't think so.
Yeah, I didn't think so.
Here is one of the threads on the closed system mods: Pod Mods: Which One Are You Liking the Most?
Nah, not it. But I do have a squeaky clean cache and cookies now.
Computers and cars are about the same to me. Just push a button, put it into drive and go. Anything much beyond that is more than I can process. My son should be over sometime today so I'll let him have a look at it. In the meantime, if any post has the B word in it and I'm just desperate to know what that sentence says I'll quote it so I can read it. 
The way I see it the Deeming is a huge market disruption. There is a LOT of money on the table to be had by whoever gets to keep playing the game. The business side of things might get pretty wild to watch from the sidelines. High stakes poker comes to mind.
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