Are you done stocking up?

[YoursTruli]

Some of the closed systems that are hitting the market right now aren't half bad (some are even pretty darned good) and not even close to what was initially available when the FDA started making noises.

not really the point

I'll also add that if there had been a decent closed system when I started vaping, I'd most likely still be using it. Sure, the open systems are nice, but I'm getting to the point to where I'm tired of rebuilding, tired of making my own e-liquid, and tired of cleaning up leaks and drips. Not to mention the hassles of ordering the stuff now.

I, like countless others, want simple and easy. Some of the newer pod type systems are providing exactly that.

This is a choice and for now you still have that choice, it is what we supposedly are fight for, having a choice of vaping gear and styles.
Accepting closed only systems as "our choice" is giving up and those who roll over will be in for a unpleasant surprise if they think the FDA is going to rub their bellies.

 

[HazyShades]

C'mon Hazy howz about righting something useful for a change Help us say

I write plenty of useful posts that you or anyone else isn't forced to agree with.
For one, I needed no help to thank Senator Johnson both on his facebook page and via email, several times.

BTW, since you say "for a change" I'll now feel like pointing out to you all the useless and/or incorrect
posts you've made here and in other forums.
But I won't 'cause of a little thing called RESPECT and another called RULES..

You can be sure of one thing however, I will not tow the line only because it seems that it's now convenient to
push cigalikes. I have never towed anybody's line but rather express my often well researched opinion.

 

[Robino1]

Closed system is not necessarily cig a likes.

I for one am NOT trying to get anyone to like closed systems. UGH! I am just trying to get people to stop the infighting.

It's called choice. I want us to continue to have Choices! Period.

 

[bnrkwest]

Here is what Wimsec MyJet looks like. Looks like coil could be rebuilt?? It is easy access looks like. It is the reason I decided to try this pod, just to get a feel for the new products and what they really are. I think it's better than cig a likes for travel. JMO

 

[bnrkwest]

Closed system is not necessarily cig a likes.

I for one am NOT trying to get anyone to like closed systems. UGH! I am just trying to get people to stop the infighting.

It's called choice. I want us to continue to have Choices! Period.

Exactly! I have used disposables and cig a likes for travel, BUT I think a pod is better since it will last longer for stealth mode. Do I only want closed systems, NO, but I want to understand what these new things are so I can at least know what they are getting out there for new stuff. These might be great for new vapors, we old timers not so much, but each type of vape has someone to reach who wants to quit smoking.

 

[ScandaLeX]

Perhaps you could explain the situation better and make sure that I'm understanding this all correctly. Because I didn't know who Dimitrios or the VTA was before that video.

Whe I watched the video it appeared that he is the leader of one of the larger advocacy groups, and employed by a closed system manufacturer. Neither of those things concerned me. Now what DID concern me was the fact that he made it seem like he and his group were the one's that had the ear of congress when it comes to the language that is being put in. It also concerned me that he was telling everyone the language couldn't be changed while talking about changing it. He also told a room full of people that no matter what they did open systems were dead and Cole-Bishop would change nothing.

IF a leading advocacy group who has the ear of congress stands to gain from legislation being tanked that would benefit everyone, I would think that would be concerning to us all. A predicate date change means very little to closed systems as everyone here tells it.

Maybe I'm confused. Like I said I don't know much about the guy or the group. Some history would be nice. Knowing a larger group was working for open systems and had more pull would be nice.

I agree with everything you've said here. When I watched that vid my jaws dropped. I actually replayed certain parts (those you've mentioned here) to make sure I heard him right.

 

[Zutankhamun]

@YoursTruli

You have a choice now. Just buy enough stuff. Simple.

Your own and everybody's futures are not entwined.
Make your own destiny.

To a point, joint global collaboration and protest can make things happen.
In such a niche case like ecigs... Na. No one apart from us really cares.
Don't worry about ensuring the demise of Big tobacco and helping everybody else's future. Just look out for yourself now
It's a shame but this thing was always bigger in our eyes than anybody else's.

 

[HazyShades]

Closed system is not necessarily cig a likes.

I for one am NOT trying to get anyone to like closed systems. UGH! I am just trying to get people to stop the infighting.

It's called choice. I want us to continue to have Choices! Period.

Yea but that's YOU, Robin. Not everybody feels or acts the way you do
and you know that's why you're my fave mod person. You also know I don't kiss up.

As far as stopping the infighting goes..good luck. This is after all the internet.
You may be able to moderate the fighting here but the fight will continue
and in some cases with very good reason.

Regawds,
Hazy

 

[bnrkwest]

I agree with everything you've said here. When I watched that vid my jaws dropped. I actually replayed certain parts (those you've mentioned here) to make sure I heard him right.

Sad to hear he actually said open systems are dead, but are they? We stocked up for the future so we have alot of valuable stuff in the future Just as long as we can keep them going that is!

 

[bnrkwest]

Yea but that's YOU, Robin. Not everybody feels or acts the way you do
and you know that's why you're my fave mod person. You also know I don't kiss up.

As far as stopping the infighting goes..good luck. This is after all the internet.
You may be able to moderate the fighting here but the fight will continue
and in some cases with very good reason.

Regawds,
Hazy

As long as we don't fight each other and continue to fight FDA rulings we will be all set. We need to aim our flame throwers at the regs not our vape friends.

 

[Vandal]

Look what I started!






You got it. Far more expensive. Cigarettes are around $13 a pack here in Chicago. Right there is their end game. They want to reach in to your wallets and take every dime they can. For what? We all know vaping is much safer.

By the looks of it 5 to 10 flavors per vendor max, unless you can find a way to hack it, DIY your own, and refill. If closed becomes the standard their will not be any premade juice market.

You are going to be told how to vape, with what limited gear is available, at what wattage. Maybe somebody will come up with a solution, but I think it will be more like the EU where they tell you how much nicotine you can consume in each device. What is the reg in EU now, 2ml devices? They are trying to kill nicotine consumption.

I'm not disagreeing with some of what has been said, but if closed systems become the standard, you all had better have stocked up b/c obtaining anything open you need for your current inventory except through the black market will be impossible. Oh I know, I've heard it before, some of you know so-and-so and he can make you a widget. Well, most of us don't know anyone capable even on ECF.

The FDA and other agencies may be underestimating the ingenuity and determination of the vaping community. Hackers have always made it clear that there is nothing that can't be hacked. I have to think that holds true for vaping gear. There are bound to be modders that can turn these upcoming devices into something very workable. As has already been pointed out, it's a bit of a throwback to our roots- look at what became possible in older days. These new devices may offer a lot more to work with.

 

[HazyShades]

As long as we don't fight each other and continue to fight FDA rulings we will be all set. We need to aim our flame throwers at the regs not our vape friends.

Who is fighting? Are you fighting? I'm not fighting.
I'm only stating my opinion and I never ever use flames. I rather use facts
...maybe a little innuendo now and then.

 

[kross8]

Perhaps you could explain the situation better and make sure that I'm understanding this all correctly. Because I didn't know who Dimitrios or the VTA was before that video.

Whe I watched the video it appeared that he is the leader of one of the larger advocacy groups, and employed by a closed system manufacturer. Neither of those things concerned me. Now what DID concern me was the fact that he made it seem like he and his group were the one's that had the ear of congress when it comes to the language that is being put in. It also concerned me that he was telling everyone the language couldn't be changed while talking about changing it. He also told a room full of people that no matter what they did open systems were dead and Cole-Bishop would change nothing.

IF a leading advocacy group who has the ear of congress stands to gain from legislation being tanked that would benefit everyone, I would think that would be concerning to us all. A predicate date change means very little to closed systems as everyone here tells it.

Maybe I'm confused. Like I said I don't know much about the guy or the group. Some history would be nice. Knowing a larger group was working for open systems and had more pull would be nice.

well said---


I have little faith in our vape groups/orgs/lawyers and even less for our politicians. ===>>>I stocked piled for years. Putting my life in their hands and waiting seemed to be a game of Russian Roulette.

I started vaping 20Nov2015,, hardly noticed/understood about any stock piling until something like late April,, then when the Deeming became news,,,,,,,boom,, I started buying what I felt we needed,, tried to tell others,, got worn out and decided...I need to focus on us not the rest of the world.

 

[HazyShades]

The FDA and other agencies may be underestimating the ingenuity and determination of the vaping community. Hackers have always made it clear that there is nothing that can't be hacked. I have to think that holds true for vaping gear. There are bound to be modders that can turn these upcoming devices into something very workable. As has already been pointed out, it's a bit of a throwback to our roots- look at what became possible in older days. These new devices may offer a lot more to work with.

Of course they underestimate us. That's what they do best.
But it has never worked well because necessity is the mother of invention
and all hackers are brothers from that very same mom.

Regards,
Hazy

 

[bnrkwest]

The FDA and other agencies may be underestimating the ingenuity and determination of the vaping community. Hackers have always made it clear that there is nothing that can't be hacked. I have to think that holds true for vaping gear. There are bound to be modders that can turn these upcoming devices into something very workable. As has already been pointed out, it's a bit of a throwback to our roots- look at what became possible in older days. These new devices may offer a lot more to work with.

I love modders, they see possibilities not obstacles

 

[bnrkwest]

Who is fighting? Are you fighting? I'm not fighting.
I'm only stating my opinion and I never ever use flames. I rather use facts
...maybe a little innuendo now and then.

I was referring to all vapers, all of us need to join to fight against the regulators. We are all in the same boat.

 

[BreSha6869]

Here is what Wimsec MyJet looks like. Looks like coil could be rebuilt?? It is easy access looks like. It is the reason I decided to try this pod, just to get a feel for the new products and what they really are. I think it's better than cig a likes for travel. JMO
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Looks cool but I am staying away from closed systems regardless of who makes them.

I can't imagine many B&Ms surviving just selling closed system pods any more than I can see them competing with Exxon Mobile and Walmart. To add to that uncertainty, unless the closed pods are universal, good luck going to a store and be guaranteed they have a fit for all popular systems.

 

[bnrkwest]

Looks cool but I am staying away from closed systems regardless of who makes them.

I can't imagine many B&Ms surviving just selling closed system pods any more than I can see them competing with Exxon Mobile and Walmart. To add to that uncertainty, unless the closed pods are universal, good luck going to a store and be guaranteed they have a fit for all popular systems.

From what I have seen they are all different, some closed pods you can't add juice, the Myjet you can, some I have no idea where the coil is but Myjet you replace the coil if I understand it right. So totally closed is a PITA, some that are modified pod types like Wimsec makes. Looks like a pod mod but with flexibility. I have no idea what it is like so have to try it to know.

 

[HazyShades]

I was referring to all vapers, all of us need to join to fight against the regulators. We are all in the same boat.

Oh me too. We are all in the same boat. That boat seems to be sinking rapidly.
Unfortunately some of the folks in the boat including the captain(s) seem to want to jump ship.
That's the crux of my position (please note I didn't say "argument")

Regards,
Hazy

 

[440BB]

Oh and this was my first US order and it said my age was verified, but I didn't have to do anything, so not sure how they know??

They used your webcam, most likely.