Are you weening down? Why not?

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Ryedan

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next, i'd like to point out his (now defunct) sig banner stated he'd saved something along the lines of $80,000 on cigarettes over the course of decades.

a real sign he's likely never been a smoker.

That's why I said to him in my first post that he never smoked. He didn't comment on it, so I assumed I was correct.

BTW, nothing posted on the net is ever really gone:

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Works out to almost 10,000 cigs a day not smoked. The numbers are entered on the Nicoticket site, not default numbers.

You can see the original of the next post here.
 

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Part of the purpose of quitting smoking, is no longer being addicted to a drug.

Not for everyone buddy. I didn't quit nicotine; I switched from smoking to a safer alternative.

We have to stop equivalating vaping to "quiting smoking." We lost the right to call it that in the first major battle with the FDA; so we need to form a general consensus on calling it "switching to a safer alternative."

It's this kind of vagueness of definition that fuels the ANTZ arguments, and it's why they will win every single argument that truly counts in front of city councils and rule defining administrations. It also kills me that this forum is called "General E-Smoking Discussion."

Some people may have the ultimate goal of getting off of any form of inhalation of nicotine, and that's great. But a majority of us are very much into and enjoy our nicotine, and switched to a healthier and safer alternative. We are excited that we are no longer inhaling combusted smoke and thousands of chemicals, and we our experiencing a multitude of health benefits from doing so, but we didn't quit any damn habits. I'm fine with that.

You either make a decision to stop and wean yourself off, or you enjoy it and take the much reduced risk of continuing to vape for a long, long time. One thing is overwhelmingly agreed upon from shared experiences; and that is reducing the amount of vaping compared to smoking is much, much easier.

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I did a check of his posting history back when I ran into him on this thread...
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/legislation-news/502927-should-we-allowed-vape-anywhere.html

He seems to check out clean, but...

I think it's a lot of the delivery along with believing what the ANTZ say.
Like the vapers who have a problem with people vaping around kids and equate it to child abuse.

I go with "be respectful" and after being at a small meet/rebuild class I can understand why a business may not want a bunch of people not being respectful blowing tons of clouds.
 

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That's why I said to him in my first post that he never smoked. He didn't comment on it, so I assumed I was correct.

BTW, nothing posted on the net is ever really gone:

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Works out to almost 10,000 cigs a day not smoked. The numbers are entered on the Nicoticket site, not default numbers.

You can see the original of the next post here.

hahaha

i didn't much pay attention.

$80 BILLION saved. :lol:
 

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Not for everyone buddy. I didn't quit nicotine; I switched from smoking to a safer alternative.

We have to stop equivalating vaping to "quiting smoking." We lost the right to call it that in the first major battle with the FDA; so we need to form a general consensus on calling it "switching to a safer alternative."

It's this kind of vagueness of definition that fuels the ANTZ arguments, and it's why they will win every single argument that truly counts in front of city councils and rule defining administrations. It also kills me that this forum is called "General E-Smoking Discussion."

Some people may have the ultimate goal of getting off of any form of inhalation of nicotine, and that's great. But a majority of us are very much into and enjoy our nicotine, and switched to a healthier and safer alternative. We are excited that we are no longer inhaling combusted smoke and thousands of chemicals, and we our experiencing a multitude of health benefits from doing so, but we didn't quit any damn habits. I'm fine with that.

You either make a decision to stop and wean yourself off, or you enjoy it and take the much reduced risk of continuing to vape for a long, long time. One thing is overwhelmingly agreed upon from shared experiences; and that is reducing the amount of vaping compared to smoking is much, much easier.

-B

This is almost 100% exactly how I feel about vaping. Good words, man. I say almost 100% because I have absolutely zero issues with calling my devices "e-cigs" or "really big e-cigs". It can bridge that gap with someone with no knowledge of vaping fairly quickly. I honestly don't mind calling PVs and mods e-cigs. I guess that makes me a heretic here. ;-)
 

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I was down to zero nic for a week but then I spent Christmas day with my mother in Hospis house. She passed away at 1:00 AM Thursday morning. By noon I had to get some juice with nic. I will be going back to zero again but for now a little nic helps.

I'm not telling you this for sympathy just saying to others in similar circumstances that its OK to fall back to what works, its better than going back to cigarettes which is what I would have done a year ago.
 

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This is almost 100% exactly how I feel about vaping. Good words, man. I say almost 100% because I have absolutely zero issues with calling my devices "e-cigs" or "really big e-cigs". It can bridge that gap with someone with no knowledge of vaping fairly quickly. I honestly don't mind calling PVs and mods e-cigs. I guess that makes me a heretic here. ;-)

Heretics unite! :evil:

hahaha

i didn't much pay attention.

$80 BILLION saved. :lol:

...and smoke free for 43 years. :facepalm:

To the OP (for whatever it's worth), I read the entire thread (unlike yourself) and like many here, wasn't in the least bothered that I was "addicted" to nicotine. What got me was the inability to breathe, or laugh without coughing, or having to wake up in the middle of the night multiple times just to get the gunk out of my chest. Apart from that, I loved smoking and figured I'd die from it. Until I heard about ecigs.

I started vaping as a way to still enjoy "smoking" without all the nasty side effects. So far, so good, and I don't plan on quitting. I'm reducing my nicotine when my body starts getting more jittery (you know, like when you drink too much coffee), and moderate my use based on that. If I end up going to 0 nic or stop vaping altogether, that's fine, but it's not a goal I've set for myself.
 
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    Addiction comes in many degrees. How would you explain the people suffering from emphysema and lung cancer that continue to smoke? How would you explain the people with oral cancer that continue to chew? It's highly common.

    Nicotine is addictive. The degree to which that addiction dictates one's actions is highly individual.

    It isn't just "nicotine", it's tobacco! There really is a difference.
    Still getting the nicotine, along with the physical act, seems to allow many to break their addiction to tobacco.

    Need to also understand that there is a clinical difference between an addiction and a dependency.

    I do fine without nicotine in my system ...... except ...... you wouldn't want to be around me.
    Therefor I depend on nicotine for emotional stability.
     
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    Heretics unite! :evil:



    ...and smoke free for 43 years. :facepalm:

    To the OP (for whatever it's worth), I read the entire thread (unlike yourself) and like many here, wasn't in the least bothered that I was "addicted" to nicotine. What got me was the inability to breathe, or laugh without coughing, or having to wake up in the middle of the night multiple times just to get the gunk out of my chest. Apart from that, I loved smoking and figured I'd die from it. Until I heard about ecigs.

    I started vaping as a way to still enjoy "smoking" without all the nasty side effects. So far, so good, and I don't plan on quitting. I'm reducing my nicotine when my body starts getting more jittery (you know, like when you drink too much coffee), and moderate my use based on that. If I end up going to 0 nic or stop vaping altogether, that's fine, but it's not a goal I've set for myself.

    I think the best response to someone who sneers at you and voices an opinion that you're still a dirty, shameful addict and that you're doing something wrong is "Yes. I accept it. I have no problem with it. Anything else?"

    Like so much else revolving around the subject of vaping, it's that demonization of smokers and tobacco that has occurred in society for decades. It's going to rear it's ugly head. What other habit or behavior can you think of where the general public thinks it's acceptable to sneer, mock, insult and confront someone with no repercussions, and the person being abused and attacked has no right to defend themselves? Anti-smokers have had free reign for a long time, and they're going to be upset when they find out they can't do it anymore.
     

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    I think the best response to someone who sneers at you and voices an opinion that you're still a dirty, shameful addict and that you're doing something wrong is "Yes. I accept it. I have no problem with it. Anything else?"

    Honestly for me, I never cared what anyone thought of me, or the things I like to do--good or bad. If I had cared, I probably wouldn't have started smoking in the first place. :)
     

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    There's no doubt that the ritual of smoking is also highly habit forming.

    I went from commercial cigarettes to RYO to vaping. The transition from commercial cigs to RYO was harder than the transition from RYO to vaping. I would never doubt that the other chemicals in commercially produced cigarettes are highly addictive.

    We have travelled the same road, my friend.

    Benny - "The transition from commercial cigs to RYO was harder than the transition from RYO to vaping."

    That statement is true for me as well. So would you please explain to B1sh0p and I how it was that we went into "freakout mode" (not really, just cravings) when we switched from commercial cigarettes to RYO cigarettes, and did NOT go into "freakout mode" switching from RYO cigarettes to vaping? I smoked commercial cigs for 27 years and then RYO cigs for 3 more years.

    In a 49 day period starting on 11/1, I went from smoking as stated above to 18mg (3 bottles / 50 ml), to 12mg (6 bottles / 76 ml), to 6mg (6 bottles / 60 ml), and then to 0mg (9 bottles /104 ml). Those 24 bottles are the TOTAL number of bottles that I have EVER bought. That is my entire vaping history, career, whatever you call it (I'm an IT guy, so YES, I have a spreadsheet). Nine of those bottles still have a significant amount of liquid still in them, including approx 15ml of the 18mg that I bought with my starter kit. For the 10 day period between days 39 through 49, I vaped 0mg liquids exclusively (well, I dripped a couple of drops of 6mg every night because that was the only strength I had Juicy Fruit liquid in - now THAT I am addicted to - yell at me later).

    Today is day 57, and I've been vaping 0mg, 6mg, and 12mg all day including the entire time that I have been typing this post. As a matter of fact, I am going to spite drip some 18mg while spinning in a circle chanting your name as soon as I hit enter.

    Have a nice day.
     

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    I think the best response to someone who sneers at you and voices an opinion that you're still a dirty, shameful addict and that you're doing something wrong is "Yes. I accept it. I have no problem with it. Anything else?"

    Not me. I refuse to waste my breath on anyone that is rude, ignorant, or inconsiderate. If they aren't family, close friends, or someone whose relationship is profitable to me, all they will get is a no expression "thank you" and then "ignore mode". Life is too short to give them the satisfaction of any of my time.
     

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    I started at 18 mg and very quickly stepped down to 6 mg. I've been on 6mg only for a couple of months now, and am only 7 months quit.

    I think I was more addicted to the other chemicals in cigs along with the ritual of smoking.

    I will stay at 6. I tried 0 mg juice and it just affects the flavor and throat hit too much. You know what? I'm perfectly okay with that. As far as I'm concerned, if I vape 6mg nicotine for the rest of my life, it's fine by me.

    I liked smoking. That's another reason I couldn't quit. I LOVE vaping. In fact, if in some parallel universe we found out that smoking was beneficial to your health and vaping was as harmful as smoking, I'd have a real problem. I enjoy vaping far better than I ever did smoking and it's way more convenient. I can sit here at my computer and vape something that tastes like vanilla custard instead of something that tastes like..well..cigarettes. Going to 6 mg has had the advantage of making it so if I'm awake, I'm vaping, and I don't get a headache.

    Dropping your nic is probably beneficial to your heart and blood pressure, and if you suffer migraines you really might want to try to (it's a vasoconstrictor, which will exacerbate your migraines), but so is quitting caffeine. I'm just not that fussed about it. I don't think people who vape a bit higher than 6 mg should be all that fussed about it either. Especially if it's keeping them from lighting up something FAR FAR FAR more harmful in every way.
     

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    Did someone insult me a couple pages back? I think so.

    If anyone else here thinks they're smarter than me, then post a scientific link to a factor of addiction I did not name, or studies that disprove these factors: A. Chemical addiction. B. Chemical pleasure. C. Psychological pleasure (traditionalism, sexuality, social acceptance, self-harm, escapism), or D. Sensory pleasure.

    I have all sorts of links backed up I'll be glad to post if anyone believes I'm either incorrect or oppositely not correct enough. I'm utterly tired of a bunch of nimwits who think that anything scientific is automatically troll material. I actually know a lot about psychology. I don't have to have a degree to be correct; I simply read the papers of people who do have degrees.

    Now, concerning the processes of fixing addiction, there's techniques til the cows come home, but I believe the two main techniques that work are A. Realizing wether a person will do better with cold-turkey or slow-weaning techniques. and B. Not only taking the chemical addition away from someone, but introducing them to new activities and positive experiences that both distract their mind and cause a heightening of the outflow of, well, positive chemicals.

    Sometimes receptors are plain fried, but they either usually heal over time or there's medications for that.

    I now won't mention drugs or even the slightest hint of drugs on this forum, because even typing a color that is related to any drug seems to be against the rules (the moderators seem to have a specific motto of infracting me if I say "The clouds in the sky are white." simply because the color white relates to a number of drugs out there.), but I'll say that if someone is addicting to playing basketball, and that basketball were to be poisonous, but that the person does get a emotional benefit from the act of playing basketball, then one needs to think logically and say "Okay, what's better, giving the person a non-toxic basketball or telling them they can never play basketball again?"

    For me, I don't know what I'd do if I could never inhale smoke or vapor again - it's getting to a point I can no longer inhale smoke because of health issues. But smoking is a big part of my life, I physically enjoy inhaling vapor and doing vapor tricks and things, and being able to experience flavors without eating unhealthy foods. So I want to vape. I don't think I'm wrong by choosing that. I don't have to vape nicotine to be a real vaper. Tobacco doesn't even seem to have much nicotine in it - so are we telling all our ex-pipe smokers here not to vape?

    Also, it's perfectly fine vaping to be nicotine replacement. You don't have to quit nicotine. Free country. That's the neat thing about vaping. You can do whatever you want. You can build coils to help heighten the effect of nictone without so much being delivered. You can vape a small amount of it. You can do whatever you want. I think vaping is utterly a positive thing. It can be for nicotine addicts, it can be for smoking addicts, it can be for people who have previously enjoyed pipe tobacco or hookah, it can simply be a new trend for all I care. It's better than smoking, all the way around. I'd even say, in the right set up and right juice, there may not even be health risks at all.

    0mg, organic FDA approved ingredients, USA sourced ingredients, a wick and coil and tank that has been cleaned, no contaminants... what could really be that unhealthy about it?
     
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    SNIP...

    the general public thinks it's acceptable to sneer, mock, insult and confront someone with no repercussions, and the person being abused and attacked has no right to defend themselves? Anti-smokers have had free reign for a long time, and they're going to be upset when they find out they can't do it anymore.

    wonder if OP realizes he resembles that remark.
     

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    Dude its not letting me delete groundskeeper willie. aw, jeez, man, not here... I want to delete that attachment... why lord why did I even click in this thread?!?! gatdangit gah!

    It's about as appropriate as anything here, lol!

    Go Willie, go! :w00t: :lol:
     
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