Blatant Disrespect IMHO

[JJ1977]

that's why i said we need to educate vaping to the uneducated people who dont know but do ask. im always educating people about my vaping i get maybe 5 people a day who ask me questions about it. Im very pleased to inform them about it. i didnt know a thing about vaping until my kid told me about it. and of course i wouldn't want any child to do what we do, all we can do as parents is educate them from right and wrong. Any parent can educate but its upto the individual to take into consideration of the information they have recieved and apply it

 

[DC2]

your calling anyone who vapes anywhere and everywhere Extremists and the few who think we shouldnt vape in public areas Extremists. If me vaping anywhere and everywhere (except my kids school grounds) an extremists then yes you can call me 1 then lol its not going to offend me as i stopped analogs so i wouldn't be so limited as to a analog smoker.

No, what I said was the following...

There are a few people, apparently, who feel they should vape anywhere and everywhere without giving a damn about anyone else.
I call these people extremists, and I think the vast majority of vapers would not approve of this behavior.

Nowhere in your post did I get the impression you don't give a damn about anyone else.
In fact, you stated just the opposite.

This happens all the time in these threads though.
People are reading things that other people aren't even saying.

I think emotions run too high sometimes.

 

[supermarket]

For what it's worth, I agree.

Others, however, feel it's their right to vape pretty much wherever they wish, because it's not illegal and there's no specific rules/laws against it. I can see the logic in that statement, but it's shortsighted (IMO).

Yea, but the thing is....it ISN'T their right. When you are on public property, sure, but any store you go to is PRIVATE property.....and you really shouldn't vape there unless they allow smoking cigarettes as well, or you have asked and they specifically allow you to vape. I think it is rude to ASSUME that they have no problem with vaping, just because there isnt a sign out front stating so.


I only vape in places I would formerly smoke. The exception is my own house....and movie theatres. My house because I never smoked in it before, since I have a child, but I vape 24/7 in it now since vaping isnt bad for my kid (second hand vapor I mean). Movie theaters because movies last a few hours, and I stealth vape.

I probably shouldn't even vape in movie theaters, especially since they are usually crowded.....but hell, it is the only place I vape where i wouldn't smoke.

 

[Maniacal]

I both agree AND disagree with this. It is MY humble opinion ...

That if people are NOT allowed to walk around with PVs because "they might be mistaken for a cigarette" then on that logic, no one can carry ANYTHING ever again!

If I have a bottle of Pepsi in a bottle and someone says "That looks like BEER! Kill her!!"



Are ya'll pickin' up what I'm puttin' down?

 

[Maniacal]

And I do know what you mean though. I've seen ppl on here talking abt vaping in DOCTORS offices. THAT, is disrespectful. Doctors offices are places ppl go when something is potentially wrong with them. Sick, injured, needs shots/checkups, etc ... these people are possibly SCARED and probably ANXIOUS. Why put any more fear or anxiety in their heads at that moment?
I dunno man, IMHO Dr. offices are NOT the place to make our story heard.

There is discreet vaping. Do it! Its a win-win! Not many ppl get upset abt something that they dont even really notice. And on top of that, we still get to vape. Its just a matter of common courtesy and respect. But at the same token, WE deserve that same courtesy and respect, too! That's the only way I feel both parties will co-exist.

A note abt vaping w/out "prior permission"... there are a PLETHORA of various actions that ppl do in/around businesses or other people that have NOT been addressed, yet ppl do them anyways and are not regarded as being rude. This is obviously not the case for everyone, but u get the picture. How abt walking into a store with an open container? Not always welcomed. Does that stop anyone from trying to simply walk into a store with their beverage? Probably not very often at all. Thats just the first thing that came to my head, I have other examples if u require them, but I feel my point has been delivered. And delivered with love to all my vaping partners in all the land.

 

[Maniacal]

I think we should be respectful and follow the same smoking policy. If we continue regulations are going to be pushed harder until it becomes ridiculous.

If we show some ounce of maturity and respect we will get farther.

Also by vaping any where it is showing signs of "this is safe" and I don't want my kid to think inhaling a ything is safe.

My kid is 9 and ask a ton of questions about vaping. I simply inform him that it is terribly bad and stay away from anything vaping related.

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DISCLAIMER!! This post is sensitive and is NOT intended to cause drama or tell parents what to do with their own kids.

IMHO, I think it is CRUCIAL to educate the hell out of our children abt vaping. Children are our FUTURE, and vaping IS the future. We want them to grow up with knowledge on this subject because ignorance of this vaping is our biggest enemy. If we're going to ever be accepted it is our job to inform.

Parents should never lie to their kids, for all sorts of reasons. I would never tell my kids that vaping is "terribly bad" w/out having more info to back up what I'm saying (kids ALWAYS ask "why?" at the end of every explanation, lol). If it really is bad I need to have reasons and logic behind my statements. If it is my OPINION that its bad then I should state that it is my opinion, and whether or not you'll offer a reasoning beyond that is situational. Lying or misinforming will give my kids the wrong impression of me. I want them to trust my word, believe in me, gain their respect. I wont get any of those things if I stray from honesty into the land of grey area.

 

[sam12six]

I'm personally one of the people who doesn't vape anywhere I wouldn't smoke. It's not about health to me (I believe at the very, very least, the effects of 2nd hand smoke were vastly exaggerated). It's about the fact that vaping as an activity was conceived to mimic smoking. Now, my lungs are glad that it was, but there's no getting around the fact that this is how it came to be.

While I'm not the least bit concerned that someone will mistake my Innokin Itazte SVD for a Camel, I'm perfectly aware that the vapor could be mistaken for smoke by someone seeing it. If someone started selling bottled water in a glass container with a label that was meant to look like a Vodka label and I were drinking it in an alcohol free area, my response to the idea of someone asking me not to drink it would not be, "How dare they?!?"

It reminds me of a Dave Chappelle Joke (warning if you're immature, he says a 4 letter word):

Dave Chapelle ..... uniform - YouTube

Now, I think a lot of this is because I think of vaping AS smoking. Sure, it's a little less satisfying and I'm betting my life that it's safer, but the activity is pretty much identical (and the reason I was able to switch when nothing else could get me off cigarettes). The idea that this is something different and we should be able to do it anywhere it's not expressly prohibited strikes me the same as chewing gum being banned in certain areas and people thinking it would be OK to chew some replacement because it's not actually gum I'm chewing.

Anyway, until there are explicit laws and company policies in place it's ultimately up to the individual where he or she vapes. For myself, the fact that I found a substitute for smoking that I hope (and believe) is safer for myself and everyone around me doesn't mean I suddenly got the right to smoke this new substance in places where it's prohibited. Now, if you don't feel that way, well and good.

It does kill me, though, when people assume that my attitude has something to do with shame. I'm not ashamed of anything I do, but I try to avoid passing gas around people because I don't want them farting in my face. Similarly, I don't want to be eating dinner and have their cloud of vape drifting across my food so I don't vape in restaurants.

 

[Shilo]

I'm personally one of the people who doesn't vape anywhere I wouldn't smoke.

I totally agree with your post for me its a combo of common courtesy and lingering memories of being ostracized and dirty looks in a city that declared itself smoke free somewhere around five years ago. Of course people still smoke but only in designated areas. At bars that have a patio I even go into a designated area for smokers to vape if the place I frequent has one.

 

[WarHawk-AVG]

I served three years, and I think you misunderstood. Im not saying walking down a sidewalk and vaping is wrong in anyway, all I was meaning is that there are those people that say .... it, just because its not smoking I can do it whenever and wherever I want. Gum and patches dont put out clouds of vapor and dont LOOK like smoking, so those are a totally different story which is why I did not bring them into my post. Ive never seen the misters in use but I assume they are similar to an asthma inhaler so most wouldnt notice the difference.

E cigs, like it or not, act like the real thing, minus the nasty bad chemicals in analogs. All I am saying is that until there is a broader understanding of what it is and what it does, people should be more respectful. I have seen countless threads of people saying how they walked around a store vaping, and the way they explain it makes it seem like they were hoping for a confrontation. They are pushing buttons and thats what gets .... banned.

I am all for public vaping, as long as it is not out of want for confrontation. The more people we piss of with public vaping in disrespectful ways, the more likely it will end up banned or severely regulated.

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fair enough

I am all for being polite...when I have my 1991A1 on my hip (under my shirt)..it is a constant reminder that I might have to back up my actions and words with my hiney...thus...my actions and words are as polite as can possibly be, I say excuse me, hold doors open for people, smile, and try to be as nice to everyone as I would like to be treated...

I don't try to be offensive when I vape...but I don't want someone try to jump on my rights just because they feel "offended" or whatever...I will be polite and stop long enough to educate them, and/or for me to find some other place as long as THEY don't tell me not to exercise MY right to "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" in a very rude or brash manner...then it just might be returned in kind

I'm all for politeness and courtesy...but I won't prohibit and/or restrict my freedom to do so because I am afraid someone will be "offended" and if they come up to me politely...I might just say "oh I'm sorry" and stop but if they come at me offensively...well I might just tell em to whiz up a rope...all depends on how THEY approach me.

 

[WattWick]

I'm all for showing respect, but not subservience to those easily offended. It's not my job to maintain other peoples conformity-bubble and keep them "safe" from experiencing anything they haven't seen before or don't understand.

In a non-smoking bar? I vape. In a restaurant? I don't. And I don't want others to blow clouds while I'm eating either. Complaining about perfumes and BO? Don't blow funny smelly things when I'm sitting in somewhat proximity, eating, please.

In a grocery store? No. I don't want 1000 people blowing clouds in a grocery store every day.

 

[NumberOneBatfan]

Just keep in mind, public opinion goes a long way for or against vaping. All the "rights" we have or don't have are there based on what the masses vote them to be. Wherever or however you vape, remember that people around you are, be it unfairly, forming their opinion about vaping and vapers as a whole. If the masses ultimately form a negative opinion, and vote it to the realm of analogs, it will no longer be our "right." Remember you're representing an entire community out there, vape where you feel you can, just be cool if it doesn't work out. It's not your "right" to be in a store or movie theater, those are private business and upsetting their customers is quick way to get on the losing side of the argument. Just my 2 cents, probably means nothing.

 

[Pav]

I've been wondering about this issue with non-smoking hotel rooms and with rental cars as well. How would they know if you were vaping, unless they witnessed it and misinterpreted ...

They really don't. I vape in rental cars and hotel rooms (almost all of which are non smoking now) and never have problems.

As far as public places like bars, restaurants or whatever, we should be aware that even though vapor is not smoke (and most likely not nearly as harmful) we're still exhaling something into the air that other have to breath. Common sense goes a long way in these situations.

 

[Koman]

Just keep in mind, public opinion goes a long way for or against vaping. All the "rights" we have or don't have are there based on what the masses vote them to be. Wherever or however you vape, remember that people around you are, be it unfairly, forming their opinion about vaping and vapers as a whole. If the masses ultimately form a negative opinion, and vote it to the realm of analogs, it will no longer be our "right." Remember you're representing an entire community out there, vape where you feel you can, just be cool if it doesn't work out. It's not your "right" to be in a store or movie theater, those are private business and upsetting their customers is quick way to get on the losing side of the argument. Just my 2 cents, probably means nothing.

Very well put!

 

[Baldr]

Yea, but the thing is....it ISN'T their right. When you are on public property, sure, but any store you go to is PRIVATE property.....and you really shouldn't vape there unless they allow smoking cigarettes as well, or you have asked and they specifically allow you to vape. I think it is rude to ASSUME that they have no problem with vaping, just because there isnt a sign out front stating so.

Do you ask your permission to write a note when in a public store? Do you ask permission to tie your shoes? Do you ask your permission to wear perfume or cologne? Do you ask permission to use your cell phone? You are telling me I have to either ask permission everywhere I go, or treat it like smoking. But that makes no logical sense. I'm not smoking, I'm not harming anyone, I'm not breaking any laws, and I'm not breaking any rules. You just aren't smart enough to understand that there is a difference between vaping and smoking.

As far as public places like bars, restaurants or whatever, we should be aware that even though vapor is not smoke (and most likely not nearly as harmful) we're still exhaling something into the air that other have to breath.

Every time any person breathes air in and then out again, they are "exhaling something that others have to breathe", but I don't complain that nobody else should be allowed to breathe.

 

[Pav]

Do you ask your permission to write a note when in a public store? Do you ask permission to tie your shoes? Do you ask your permission to wear perfume or cologne? Do you ask permission to use your cell phone? You are telling me I have to either ask permission everywhere I go, or treat it like smoking. But that makes no logical sense. I'm not smoking, I'm not harming anyone, I'm not breaking any laws, and I'm not breaking any rules.

While stores, bars and restaurants are open to the public, they are still private businesses and the business owner has the right to set their own rules, so you could be breaking rules if they have them there.

Every time any person breathes air in and then out again, they are "exhaling something that others have to breathe", but I don't complain that nobody else should be allowed to breathe.

Yeah, cuz that's exactly the same thing.

 

[Lunger]

I vape indoors but in a very discreet/respectful manner. Small hits on a 650 battery. I don't go around blowing clouds in peoples faces. I also try my best to take hits when no one is near me. I'm also aware of my juices odors. If I'm vaping something like Captain Jack from Halo theres no way in hell I'd vape indoors. Some juices smell quite strong and can bother people. Basically, I vape wherever I want to but discreetly, respectfully and never next to children. The only place I'd never vape in out of respect to the sick is in a hospital. We should be public about vaping, it isn't smoking after all. Just have to go about it the right way. Walking in a grocery store aisle next to kids with a mechanical mod, an RBA, and a sub ohm coil blowing 100% VG clouds is not the right way to go about it. I only ever ask permission if I'm a passenger in someones car or guest in someones house.

 

[MrStik]

Most Vapers, as well as most people lack common sense, common courtesy, and it seems now everyone has a sense of entitlement. There is a time and a place for everything, but apparently most people don't give a crap.

 

[MrStik]

Do you ask your permission to write a note when in a public store? Do you ask permission to tie your shoes? Do you ask your permission to wear perfume or cologne? Do you ask permission to use your cell phone? You are telling me I have to either ask permission everywhere I go, or treat it like smoking. But that makes no logical sense. I'm not smoking, I'm not harming anyone, I'm not breaking any laws, and I'm not breaking any rules. You just aren't smart enough to understand that there is a difference between vaping and smoking.



Every time any person breathes air in and then out again, they are "exhaling something that others have to breathe", but I don't complain that nobody else should be allowed to breathe.

You sir, are what is the problem people have with vapers. It is a shame that we all get associated with you.

 

[wv2win]

Smoking was banned due to the inherent threat of public safety (i.e. second hand smoke and cancer). How do these threats relate to vaping? Answer is zilch.

As a conscientious vaper, I vape in public, but I do so with regard for others' comfort. I don't do it blatantly or with any disrespect. If (it's never happened yet) I'm ever asked to refrain, I would oblige after passing some information on to the requesting party.

If we don't do it in public, we have no grounds to stand for the cause to be able to use our harmless devices as we wish.

Well stated in comparison to the OP's "sheep" position.

 

[wv2win]

There are many of us long time vapers who have stated consistently that we should vape openly most places (not all) BUT with respect and common sense. No blowing of vapor in people's faces, no vaping on a crowded elevator and abide by private property decisions when they are provided, etc.

Unfortunately, some on ECF want the world to perceive vaping as being exactly the same as smoking and just as dangerous and thus we should vape only with smokers. They either can't understand or refuse to acknowledge that "perceptions are reality". The ANTZ's love vapers like this. You are supporting their anti-vaping agenda quite well.

Vape openly most places BUT with respect for others and common sense and be well prepared to educate the uninformed.