Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[Eskie]

Interesting approach. He's taking on BT and juul, which is pretty tough, and depriving Wawa, 7 Eleven, and all the gas station chains of a revenue source. The online verification already exists (but he doesn't mention that) and open systems and vape shops are left intact. He can go before Congress and honestly testify about how rigorous a response this is, even at the expense of hurting retailers and BT (ignoring juul isn't BT, but just an easy target).

Yes, it does interfere with smokers first starting out to try something convenient and a zero learning curve, but current vapers, and smokers more sophisticated and motivated to visit a vape shop or online are protected. He is in a defensible position that even if there are legal challenges that he used tough regulation without over stepping and breaking an entire industry still in the midst of the process of filing PMTAs who deserve the opportunity to pursue a course already established.

This isn't good as it establishes their regulatory requirements as being more intrusive than any of us would like to see, but he did protect the back end while mollyfying the save the children crowd. Maybe BT will spend the money on challenging it, and if they win we all win, but if they lose, our current open systems remain alive.

Now what happens 2 years from now remains to be seen. But even if the House goes all legislative nuts, you still have a republican senate that will be even more recalcitrant about supporting more regulation.

 

[Bronze]

Interesting approach. He's taking on BT and Juul, which is pretty tough, and depriving Wawa, 7 Eleven, and all the gas station chains of a revenue source. The online verification already exists (but he doesn't mention that) and open systems and vape shops are left intact. He can go before Congress and honestly testify about how rigorous a response this is, even at the expense of hurting retailers and BT (ignoring Juul isn't BT, but just an easy target).

Yes, it does interfere with smokers first starting out to try something convenient and a zero learning curve, but current vapers, and smokers more sophisticated and motivated to visit a vape shop or online are protected. He is in a defensible position that even if there are legal challenges that he used tough regulation without over stepping and breaking an entire industry still in the midst of the process of filing PMTAs who deserve the opportunity to pursue a course already established.

This isn't good as it establishes their regulatory requirements as being more intrusive than any of us would like to see, but he did protect the back end while mollyfying the save the children crowd. Maybe BT will spend the money on challenging it, and if they win we all win, but if they lose, our current open systems remain alive.

Now what happens 2 years from now remains to be seen. But even if the House goes all legislative nuts, you still have a republican senate that will be even more recalcitrant about supporting more regulation.

I still believe when everything is said and done there will be a legal way to vape. I don't see it being banned off the face of the Earth or in this country. What that "legal way" will look like I am not so sure of. Government has their ways of making things legal while simultaneously wiping it out. So there is still plenty of latitude to put the big hurt on vapers. But as your last line alludes, there isn't a political climate at this time for more regulations (in general).

 

[DaveP]

I have 4-1/4 year old AWs that saw some use but were in storage for the most part (with a charge) and they are shot. They last an hour or two and they are depleted.

I'd be curious to know what the internal resistance value is on those cells. I think I still have an AW 18650 that was lightly used back in 2011-2012. It's a button top for my Provari V2.

 

[Bronze]

I'd be curious to know what the internal resistance value is on those cells. I think I still have an AW 18650 that was lightly used back in 2011-2012. It's a button top for my Provari V2.

Didn't think to check. And now I chucked them.

 

[mikepetro]

CDC: Adult Smoking Hits Record Low

 

[DaveP]

Didn't think to check. And now I chucked them.

I couldn't find my button top either. It was an Orbtronic NCR18650. I think I bought it from Provape when I bought the Provari.

 

[Bronze]

I couldn't find my button top either. It was an Orbtronic NCR18650. I think I bought it from Provape when I bought the Provari.

What is the resistance supposed to be? Do you know?

 

[CMD-Ky]

CDC: Adult Smoking Hits Record Low

And for some, this is a tragedy.
Smoke, the tax revenue is for the children. Do your duty, smoke, the children will thank you.

 

[untar]

"This all-time low in cigarette smoking among U.S. adults is a tremendous public health accomplishment -- and it demonstrates the importance of continued proven strategies to reduce smoking," CDC director Robert Redfield, MD, said in a press statement.

While they're at it maybe also take credit for the moon landing

 

[Eskie]

While they're at it maybe also take credit for the moon landing

Moon landing? Pics or it didn't happen.

 

[Baditude]

Moon landing? Pics or it didn't happen.

 

[untar]

Moon landing? Pics or it didn't happen.

Wait, I'm still reading the photoshop manual.

Edit:
dang, didn't know baditude had mad editing skillz. Forgot to crop out the stage though.

 

[Baditude]

dang, didn't know baditude had mad editing skillz. Forgot to crop out the stage though.

Google Images with a search for "fake moon landing".

 

[Bronze]

You beat me to it.

 

[Philabos]

CDC: Adult Smoking Hits Record Low

That is because they are only counting tobacco smokers.

 

[Alexander Mundy]

I still believe when everything is said and done there will be a legal way to vape. I don't see it being banned off the face of the Earth or in this country. What that "legal way" will look like I am not so sure of. Government has their ways of making things legal while simultaneously wiping it out.

Tax stamps.....since that worked so well in the past....at making a thriving illicit market that is.

 

[Bronze]

Tax stamps.....since that worked so well in the past....at making a thriving illicit market that is.

Whiskey Rebellion.

 

[stols001]

If they're gonna give the rebellious, impulsive and idiotic teens (the ones who smoke and vape) Chantix, they may actually permanently fix the "what do I do to/with my rebellious teen," parent problem, because honestly that lot of teens (JMHO as always) will freaking be the MOST likely to off themselves or others.

So teen vaping will NOT be a problem but the NRA will get a workout due to a sharp increase in school shootings. I hope that's not tasteless to say, but I kind of THINK IT.

I'm not kidding although the FDA seems really INTO burying their heads in the sand about the dangers of Chantix. I still don't understand that, other than they just HATE smokers and vapers, and yet simultaneously want to tax it to death. I'm sure it's quite the conundrum for them, but like, I'm happy about that.

I AM BUYING SEVERAL HUNDREDS OF DOLLARS OF SNUS TODAY: (My Joan of Arc moment). LOL.

Anna

 

[United States]

I have worked in the road maintenance industry for 35 years. In '83 non smokers were the exception. Those who did not smoke cigarettes genarally smoked pipes.

In the 90's it was noticed to be about a 50/50 thing with noticably less young people smoking. Lots and lots of dippers though. The old smokers as a rule were all dead or living a retired life carrying oxygen bottles everywhere.

In 2018 it's pretty lonely being a smoker on a construction site. I don't know about statistics, but can say from experience there are a helluvalot less construction workers who smoke. I see more vapers than smokers to be honest.

Trouble is, the formerly smoking vapers all act intimidated around others and tend to vape when nobody is looking. I'm a people watcher so it's fun to see the loader operator take a drag from his 2 cell device. I notice also that direct lung cloud makers hardly ever vape. Maybe a couple clouds an hour.

So I'd speculate the FDA is correct when they say smoking is way down. I work with people who work hard and play harder. Folks who as a rule are not living healthy lifestyles. So while the sales of Natural Light may be at an all time high with construction workers, cigarettes are not.

 

[untar]

So I'd speculate the FDA is correct when they say smoking is way down

I don't think anybody here would dispute that. What's under scrutiny is the assumption that anti tobacco strategies are responsible for that. They weren't for decades before vaping and then suddenly became very effective once vaping came along. Just a tad suspicious.