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I don't know any state specific jokes about AZ unless they involve heat, I guess.

A case could be made for joking about the homeless I guess. I was complaining about the washes here and how come they didn't like, put large tunnels or whatever underneath many road intersections instead of just you know, acting like it's totally normal that people have to be rescued downstream every time it rains.

The husband said he discussed it with a councilman when he first got here, and said that it was because the homeless got inside and hung out and sometimes put up grates, or took them down and put them back up.

I said that was not my problem. For a right to whatever conservative, he got oddly righteous about my lack of care and concern for the homeless. He (the husband, not the councilman) got all righteous about "protecting them from themselves." I was like, dude, anyone who can take down and then reinstall a grate can totally fend for themselves. I'm sorry. Plus, I bet if a few of them died, word would get around .Plus, if you are homeless, you have to pay attention to your surroundings. I'm sorry but that's how it is. The argument went on a long time. I am still passionately in favor of putting a big sign up on a grate that says, "Homeless people, sleep here at your own risk, because it rains, and that is what storm drains are FOR, so if you decide to cave it up here, prepare to die unexpectedly especially if you are drinking Sterno."

Well, I think it was probably graft, personally (the storm tunnels I mean) because they charge you to get rescued from washes, and tunnels are more expensive.

I'd have to say many/most of the jokes I make about AZ have to do with incompetence or graft. This is a double edged sword, as legislation always takes a while to arrive because the folks in charge are so busy grafting and hiding it.

It does make the roads suck, although Sierra Vista appears a LOT less grafty.

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I have discovered the ideal way to address people like that va my work, where I have encountered a few "interesting" vape situations where parents are like, "vaping is the devil."

If you just say, "Well, the jury is still out on that one. However, your teen, blah blah blah end with appears to not have cancer at this TIME. So, [moving on]. etc."

It takes a bit of time, sometimes you have to repeat it a few times, you can also ad "hung jury" or "the jury is still weighting their decision and processing the evidence," but it somehow WORKS. It's a subliminal sort of "I am not even going to bother with you, I am going to POSTPONE your complaint until you realize I am NOT going to say ANYTHING negative or positive about ecigs, and that fact IN AND OF ITSELF tells the person that YOU think e-cigs are NOT the devil, at this time, and you may even like them but ABOVE ALL you aren't going to argue it, because it is so insignificant and not worth your time. The whole ecig/teen thing.

I highly recommend the technique.

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Well, it's easier to act outraged when you are paid to do so.

I don't believe that there are that number of folks who hate ecigs that much and sit around all day ranting about it.

I completely believe that paid protesting is a thing, because when I LOOKED for work, I looked EVERYHWHERE including craigslist. Some of the positions were so interesting I almost wanted to try them for a month or so.

If you can artificially generate enough "outrage" against something to get the ball rolling, all the lemmings will jump on board. It's not a strategy I feel is a) good b) ethical and c) should be LEGAL even but it is unfortunately,

d) effective as all get out.

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It appears that the ANTZ propaganda has succeeded to the point where public opinion is largely against us, even in venues where one might expect otherwise.
Do the ANTZ come in an army? If so, there's too many to just stomp them out. We'll have to use some kind of poison. Hmmmmmm. Where did l I leave that 50 gallon drum of DDT. I'll check the basement. If they think nicotine is bad, just wait till they get a taste of DDT :lol::lol::lol:
 
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I, too, was surprised at the reaction in that venue.
Really? After several years and millions of $$ spent on articles, videos, TV appearances, billboards etc I'd be surprised if the reaction was any different. It would mean advertising doesn't work at all.
 

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Really? After several years and millions of $$ spent on articles, videos, TV appearances, billboards etc I'd be surprised if the reaction was any different. It would mean advertising doesn't work at all.

There are times when advertising works and times when it does not work, I am right now looking for my can of "New Coke" and "Clear Pepsi" and Beto O'Rourk is not a senator from Texas. My surprise came from the nature and general populace of the site which is generally a small government population. I guess a philosophy of governance is over ridden by one's pet peeves.
 

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Teens have always been able to get alcohol and cigarettes. Just give your 18 year old friend a buck or two for buying them and you get what you want. The same could be and probably is happening with ecigs every day in America where laws prevent teens from vaping.

With both you don't see laws requiring only liquor stores to sell cigs and alcohol. Convenience stores are rampant. The product that is safer (ecigs) is being demonized unfairly, IMO.

As long as there are more smokers than vapers that will continue. One day, if we aren't shut down completely, there will be a push to urge teens who smoke to switch to vaping if the tax revenue is there. I think the handwriting is on the wall for a future state tax on retail sales of ecigs. The FDA and big tobacco are already aware that ecigs are the future for smoking and the tobacco tax will continue and be expanded to include all nicotine products.

Pennsylvania’s 40% tobacco tax on e-cigarettes | Vaping Post

California Proposition 56, Tobacco Tax Increase (2016) - Ballotpedia
 

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Miss Luna taking a nap. she is a dawg......
We’ll be polite and not mention yesterday’s game. Although I will be fair....despite my houndstooth colored blood, Georgia should have won. My boys looked like crap. Himself laughed at me for that sentiment, but I have gained gallons of empathy after 35+ years with a rabid LSU fan.
 

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We’ll be polite and not mention yesterday’s game. Although I will be fair....despite my houndstooth colored blood, Georgia should have won. My boys looked like crap. Himself laughed at me for that sentiment, but I have gained gallons of empathy after 35+ years with a rabid LSU fan.
The Bullmutts fell apart down the stretch. Looked like they had that one in the bag and then gave it away.
 

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The Bullmutts fell apart down the stretch. Looked like they had that one in the bag and then gave it away.
Agree. I realize a win is a win to some. But, a good game is when the best team wins. I’d love Bama to win every game, but winning by “accident” just doesn’t feel right.
 

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And the first ON topic post in days!

He knows. It was zoid's dry as dust sarcasm at work. You really have to work for it.

Speaking of ecigs, I just finished a bunch of late notes and it took me HOURS. Yoga HOURS.

You know one thing I never feel when I am working overtime or from home? Appreciative.

Without my vapes I couldn'ta got through it. I hate the FDA.

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He knows. It was zoid's dry as dust sarcasm at work. You really have to work for it.

Speaking of ecigs, I just finished a bunch of late notes and it took me HOURS. Yoga HOURS.

You know one thing I never feel when I am working overtime or from home? Appreciative.

Without my vapes I couldn'ta got through it. I hate the FDA.

Anna
It’s interesting to see some blowback coming from the legislators. N.C. has a dog in the fight, but I don’t recall tobacco ever being grown in Wisconsin. The FDA needs to be reminded what it’s actual mission is.
 

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