Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[Baditude]

I don't get it. Sounds foolproof to me. The person buying and giving can be located by law enforcement.

 

[Horselady154]

I have an idea.

Parents should step up and be parents. The government should investigate and get rid of the adulterated black market THC pods. The government should run public service announcements warning people not to use it and why.

Then, the government should get their noses out of our business and back to their own.

 

[mikepetro]

I don't get it. Sounds foolproof to me. The person buying and giving can be located by law enforcement.

What happens when the bottle gets thrown in the trash and then scavenged by someone else who refills it and sells it. 3 or 6 recycles\hands later an authority gets involved and comes knocking on your door.

 

[Katya]

What happens when the bottle gets thrown in the trash and then scavenged by someone else who refills it and sells it. 3 or 6 recycles\hands later an authority gets involved and comes knocking on your door.

Unintended consequences - Wikipedia

"In the social sciences, unintended consequences (sometimes unanticipated consequences or unforeseen consequences) are outcomes that are not the ones foreseen and intended by a purposeful action."

 

[bnrkwest]

But do risk being thought of as a distributor with that much stash in your possession. You then have to become super discreet about your own vaping. IMO, there will be very little difference between hoarders and distributors, and legally none, I would think. Though I await the inevitable court battles from people claiming their 10 liters of nicotine are strictly for personal use.

It becomes a personal collection because everything was purchased legally. Nothing stocked is illegal.

 

[Don29palms]

Why are there so many on here that are so paranoid? The sky is not falling. One thing that is required to be a distributor of anything is DISTRIBUTION. The last thing LEO are going to worry about is me giving a 120ml bottle of Hawaiian Limeade ejuice to my next door neighbor. Come on people get real.

 

[mikepetro]

I agree with you wholeheartedly.

The issue is the sheer power of the Feds coming along and destroying thousands of businesses and turning it over to BT with a single decree. With that kind of power, folks feel powerless, and then folks get skittish.

 

[zoiDman]

I don't get it. Sounds foolproof to me. The person buying and giving can be located by law enforcement.

Maybe I'm missing it?

But OK... the Bottle can be Traced, but not what is In the Bottle. So if I take the e-Liquid out of the Bottle and put it into a Regular Bottle, the trace-ability is now Broken.

And how does this Prevent people who are Filling Pods/Carts with DIY and then Selling the Pods/Carts on the Street?

Or just Selling DIY on the Streets to whomever?

Like I said, Maybe I'm missing a something? But it Doesn't sound all that Foolproof.

 

[Baditude]

What happens when the bottle gets thrown in the trash and then scavenged by someone else who refills it and sells it. 3 or 6 recycles\hands later an authority gets involved and comes knocking on your door.

That scenario is a reach IMO. But given the severity of such a scenario there could be drop boxes for disposal of the bottles at the vape shop, like the recycling boxes for used batteries.

 

[mikepetro]

That scenario is a reach IMO. But given the severity of such a scenario there could be drop boxes for disposal of the bottles at the vape shop, like the recycling boxes for used batteries.

A reach, maybe, dont underestimate teens ability to "reach" when you try to forbid them something they want.

Honestly I can think of lots of ways to defeat that, and teens will to.

 

[Baditude]

But OK... the Bottle can be Traced, but not what is In the Bottle. So if I take the e-Liquid out of the Bottle and put it into a Regular Bottle, the trace-ability is now Broken. . Why change bottles? Your other scenario sounds like back market dealing, why?

 

[AttyPops]

I don't get it. Sounds foolproof to me. The person buying and giving can be located by law enforcement.

Your 90 yo grandma without a smartphone still needs to be able to buy e-juice.

Of course, a store can "card" her. But if they allow internet sales, then there's no proof, and no app.

They'll ban internet sales. You can't buy cigs over the net for the same reasons.

We have a serious ID-Problem with purchasing anything (cigs, alcohol, whatever) over the net. The tech just isn't there. And apps can be spoofed, ID's stolen, etc. I'm not sure the "require adult signature for delivery" thing works either.



And I'm not anti-net purchasing, BTW. I'm just say'n...

 

[Baditude]

Thats why a bottle of Percocet on your person better have your name, address and the prrscription number on it or you'll probably be going downtown in a black and white car.

 

[AttyPops]

Then why not just make it prescription-only? Why have this separate app when we already have a prescription system in the USA?

Further, that gets spoofed too.

 

[zoiDman]

Why change bottles? Your other scenario sounds like back market dealing, why?

Like I said, Maybe I'm missing it?

So Now the Bottle is Traceable. Great.

But if I want a Teen to have what's in the Bottle, ala that "Social Source" that is mentioned in the Vid, what stops me from just taking what's in the Bottle and putting it in a Non-RFID-ed Bottle?

I guess I just Don't Understand how this is going to Make Much of a Difference?

 

[AttyPops]

Also, it's bad enough that they track all credit card purchases these days. And now, our individual nic usage too? That's probably not even covered under HIPAA.

 

[ENAUD]

I got to thinking, when the vape ban hits, how many are going to be just like, yeah, I've been off the smokes for a couple years now, vaping was cool and all that, but yeah, guess I'll just kick this thing and just keep on with my life without all that...A boat load of folks quit smoking without vaping or any BP nico substitute crapola...and I know that I personally crave nic waaaaaay less than when I was a smoker. I like to think that folks will be OK in the end, that, or they will go nutz and storm the FDA headquarters en masse armed to the teeth and ready to get medieval on them weasels. <<< Just Kidding, humor post, in case some nasty beaurocrap is reading my nonsense.

 

[Sloth Tonight]

Also, it's bad enough that they track all credit card purchases these days. And now, our individual nic usage too? That's probably not even covered under HIPAA.

This. We should not be treated this way just to vape. Owning a smartphone should not be a prerequisite for vaping. Nor should we surrender yet more of our privacy for the privilege to vape.

 

[AttyPops]

I got to thinking, when the vape ban hits, how many are going to be just like, yeah, I've been off the smokes for a couple years now, vaping was cool and all that, but yeah, guess I'll just kick this thing and just keep on with my life without all that...A boat load of folks quit smoking without vaping or any BP nico substitute crapola...and I know that I personally crave nic waaaaaay less than when I was a smoker. I like to think that folks will be OK in the end, that, or they will go nutz and storm the FDA headquarters en masse armed to the teeth and ready to get medieval on them weasels. <<< Just Kidding, humor post, in case some nasty beaurocrap is reading my nonsense.

Medieval? Maybe. Or French Revolution.


Heck, look how ticked they got over gas prices recently! Just imagine if you took away their cigs/vape.

 

[Horselady154]

That scenario is a reach IMO. But given the severity of such a scenario there could be drop boxes for disposal of the bottles at the vape shop, like the recycling boxes for used batteries.

Should they do that for alcohol too? At what point does it end? How much are we going to appoint government as our masters? What happened to personal responsibility and accountability for one's actions? Where are the parents?