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Explain to me how you can encourage or force parents to be better parents, how to instill higher values and responsibility, especially if these parents lack those traits themselves. Last I knew there was no license required to raising children right.
You have a law that teens cannot purchase vaping products.
You have a law that requires stores selling it to only sell to people x years old.
You enforce the laws.
That's all government should do, besides maybe running public service announcements. The rest is up to the parents.
You can't *force* parents, Bad. To do that would require a totalitarian government. Is that what you really want? There have always been good parents, bad parents and most in-between. This is nothing new. Don't let the hysteria get to you.
You can't force parents to be better parents. Not in a free country and it's not a job for the government. The only thing a government can and should do is to punish parents who break the law and harm their children. The mothers of the year, Ms. Huffman and Ms. Loughlin come to mind.
Instilling higher values and responsibility is a job for the "village" (community, neighborhood). I agree with you that there are kids in our society who just plain don't have good parents or other positive adult role models and we should work on improving that situation. Our schools, pre-schools, social services, scouting organizations, after-schools programs, coaches, religious groups, non-profits, teachers, nurses, pediatricians all should do better jobs of identifying at-risk kids and helping them. Our penitentiary system needs to be reformed to focus on rehabilitation and education and not on just locking kids up. Mental health is a huge issue that's been largely ignored. There is an enormous need for better rehab centers and easier access for everybody who needs it. The list is long.
But every time the government tries to intervene, they make an even bigger mess of things. Prohibition gave us thousands of deaths from tainted booze and organized crime. The war on drugs (minimum mandatory sentencing, zero tolerance, third strike you're out) has been a total failure. We need smart solutions--we need to learn how to fix our problems with a wrench or a scalpel, not a governmental jackhammer.
I may get flamed but I have to say it. Just because teens do illegal stuff does not mean it is always due to bad parenting. I have worked with teens whose parents put opiates in their bottles to make them sleep all the way to teens who killed someone but had responsible parents who did a great job parenting.
To make blanket statements that the solution is for parents to do their job is kind of like what the gov is doing/saying about vaping. This does not mean I think the gov should be banning and regulating things because that won't work either. The point is that teens will be teens and some will still have babies at age 12 and smoke, drink, vape, be addicted and whatever else while others will not. You can't beat it out of them or regulate it into them.
I agree with just enforcing the laws about minors but not in punishing parents for their illegal behavior unless the parents aided in it.
To make blanket statements that the solution is for parents to do their job is kind of like what the gov is doing/saying about vaping. This does not mean I think the gov should be banning and regulating things because that won't work either. The point is that teens will be teens and some will still have babies at age 12 and smoke, drink, vape, be addicted and whatever else while others will not. You can't beat it out of them or regulate it into them.
I agree with just enforcing the laws about minors but not in punishing parents for their illegal behavior unless the parents aided in it.
I am sitting here watching what appears to be the beginning of a schism (of some sort, small-though-it-may-be) in this community. It saddens me to see members here becoming irritated with each other. This is mostly a healthy discussion but I hope we'll all step back for a moment and remember that we're in this together and there's no need to be rude to one another. I think that every single one of us wants what's best for ourselves and our loved ones. We may have different levels of concern for what's going on or even direct it at slightly different targets, but let's not target each other.
We cannot stop kids from vaping. It's good to discuss how to minimize it along with other substances, but we cannot and will not ever stop it. I had wonderful parents. I disagree with some aspects of how they chose to raise me and my siblings (I'm the only one of four who didn't totally rebel and wind up in some sort of trouble), but overall they were outstanding. And I was mostly a good kid. But I did what I wanted to do, and no amount of parenting would have stopped me. Because I was developing into my own personhood, and part of that process included making my own choices about things such as what to put into my own body. I'm not the best example though as I did wait until the legal age in my state at the time before smoking tobacco (just by chance, really, not because I was concerned about the law).
I don't have the answers and I genuinely am fascinated by the entire phenomenon in addition to the discussion of how to help minimize it. But we will not eradicate it. Not as parents and not as a society (including Government). But I'm very concerned about society. We're at each other's throats constantly. We practically hate each other. Sometimes I just lay my head down on the desk and wonder if that will ever change.
"Pneuma, reach out beyond. Wake up, remember: we are born of one breath, one word. We are all one spark, eyes full of wonder."
We cannot stop kids from vaping. It's good to discuss how to minimize it along with other substances, but we cannot and will not ever stop it. I had wonderful parents. I disagree with some aspects of how they chose to raise me and my siblings (I'm the only one of four who didn't totally rebel and wind up in some sort of trouble), but overall they were outstanding. And I was mostly a good kid. But I did what I wanted to do, and no amount of parenting would have stopped me. Because I was developing into my own personhood, and part of that process included making my own choices about things such as what to put into my own body. I'm not the best example though as I did wait until the legal age in my state at the time before smoking tobacco (just by chance, really, not because I was concerned about the law).
I don't have the answers and I genuinely am fascinated by the entire phenomenon in addition to the discussion of how to help minimize it. But we will not eradicate it. Not as parents and not as a society (including Government). But I'm very concerned about society. We're at each other's throats constantly. We practically hate each other. Sometimes I just lay my head down on the desk and wonder if that will ever change.
"Pneuma, reach out beyond. Wake up, remember: we are born of one breath, one word. We are all one spark, eyes full of wonder."
Well, some folks bought their cigs one pack at a time too, while others didn't wanna be bothered with that many trips to the store and just bought cartons. A few even drove to a low-tax state or a reservation once in a while and bought a whole case.
Different strokes for different folks.
Well, some folks bought their cigs one pack at a time too, while others didn't wanna be bothered with that many trips to the store and just bought cartons. A few even drove to a low-tax state or a reservation once in a while and bought a whole case.
Different strokes for different folks.
Yes, I drove to the Native shops, all of 2 miles and watched the price go from 13.00 carton to 36.00 overnight due to pressure from the gov to pay tax. I was angry for NA population that had to deal with that.
There is a New Puritan out there who thinks that what we speculate about is, to them, a really good idea.
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Well, some folks bought their cigs one pack at a time too, while others didn't wanna be bothered with that many trips to the store and just bought cartons. A few even drove to a low-tax state or a reservation once in a while and bought a whole case.
Different strokes for different folks.
Before the Obama administration killed it, I ordered by mail from a reservation in New York, if memory serves me.
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, but you brought up a good point. I think social media has divided us as a society. Not only because of differences in politics or religious beliefs, but on just about any topic you can think of.I still consider Cincinnati my home town, although I wasn't born there, I lived there for 45 years, and retired back to the small rural town that I grew up in. I still try to keep up with the local and regional news there via talk radio and Face Book friends.
A local well publicized news story was about a young high school cheerleader on trial for murder and destruction of a corpse. She had gotten pregnant, and from what I know she hid the pregnancy to everyone she could. Her story is the baby was delivered at home as a stillborn. Not all that unlikely because she never sought any prenatal care. The newborn's body was buried in the family's back yard.
Prosecuters said she murdered the child and attempted to hide her crime by burying the corpse. Autopsy couldn't confirm if the child was born stillborn or murdered. The jury found the young girl guilty of only destruction of a corpse, and the judge ordered the remains be returned to the family for a proper burial..
I was amazed that many of my FB friends were outraged at the verdict because the jury's verdict was different than their own. Were they actually at the scene as witnesses during the death? Were they on that jury, who may have been given specific instructions by the judge to ignore specific information presented in the trial, but information that may have been false and leaked by the news media might have influenced the publics opinion?
I sometimes like to stir the pot. I posted maybe she should have sought an abortion and then no one would be having a conversation about the trial. After all, its still legal in Ohio. I think I might have been put on ignore for simply saying the "A" word and having a different opinion than them.
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I recall when the first seat belt laws were sold to us, we were told as part of the selling that violation of said law would not be a primary offense (you couldn't be stopped for not wearing one). Today? Check your state statute. Incrementalism or as some say the camel's nose under the tent.
The New Puritans have long noses and they believe that those noses should be involved in everything with which they disapprove. The government doesn't really care whether I live or die so long as I pay. The Puritans care about what I do and intend to have me conform to their wishes. But I think that I will decline.
If I didn't hear the evidence, I don't criticize the verdict. When I rely upon the news media to inform me of the court proceedings then I will rely upon the media to inform me about vaping. And when that happens, Mrs CMD will know that it is time to commit me.
Sorry for the
I still consider Cincinnati my home town, although I wasn't born there, I lived there for 45 years, and retired back to the small rural town that I grew up in. I still try to keep up with the local and regional news there via talk radio and Face Book friends.
A local well publicized news story was about a young high school cheerleader on trial for murder and destruction of a corpse. She had gotten pregnant, and from what I know she hid the pregnancy to everyone she could. Her story is the baby was delivered at home a stillborn. The newborn's body was buried in the family's back yard.
Prosecuters said she murdered the child and attempted to hide hide the crime by burying the corpse. Autopsy couldn't confirm if the child was born stillborn or murdered. The jury found the young girl guilty of only destruction of a corpse, and the judge ordered the remains be returned to the family for a proper burial..
I was amazed that many of my FB friends were outraged at the verdict because of the jury's verdict was different than their own. Were they actually at the scene as witnesses during the death? Were they on that jury, who may have been given specific instructions by the judge to ignore specific information presented in the trial?
I sometimes like to stir the pot. I posted maybe she should have sought an abortion and then no one would be having a conversation about the trial. I think I might have been put on ignore for that statement.
I don't think I've seen this posted. Sorry if I'm mistaken. This is a policeman's take on the flavor ban:
"This vape thing is dumb. I mean, vaping is dumb. But stopping vaping is also dumb."
"This vape thing is dumb. I mean, vaping is dumb. But stopping vaping is also dumb."
I have wondered if parents are looking for friendship or just don't want the hassle that arises out of meeting their responsibilities. Parenting is hard and we don't want none of that.
It's this some new winger catch phrase, or what?
Sounds like some psyops term being fed to the masses by the media.
Ha ha, yeah, I did that, back in 2013...
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