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I'd say that sums it up pretty well.

I am having a discussion with my wife regarding IQ requirements for voting.
It's a heated topic here in this house right now.

She is currently researching a quote from (we think it was) Plato.
But basically, those most qualified to rule do NOT want any part of being a ruler.

Yeah, that's about the size and shape of it.

Was it Marx?

"I don't care to belong to any club that will have me as a member"
 

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Just to Interject Some Amount of Balance to this Cloud vs. Tootle Blame Game thing.

The Worst, the Absolute Worst, Scene I ever saw was when a Mid-Age Women was asked to Stop Using her eGo/CE4 set-up inside a Restaurant.

She went on a Complete Tirade shouting that El Torito was Violating Her Rights and that they were Nazi's Hell Bent on the Destruction of Personal Freedoms.

It was kinda Comical at 1st. But Quickly Degrade into being Embarrassing (as a Vaper) and in a way Sad to see someone have a Complete Meltdown. And I'm sure left a Lasting Impression with Everyone within Earshot. And that was Everyone. Because she was in Full "I Can vape Everywhere" Vocal Mode as the Escorted her out.

Oh my...

Militancy / zealots on either side of the fence - aiding neither 'cause'

Seen/heard enough ANTZ rantz that did more to discredit their crusade than I could have done myself, leaving onlookers either completely aghast or snickering.

Unfortunately, there will always be some who are not 'getting' it:

Anyone's 'freedom' to do or not to do extends only to the point where it encraoches on someone elses 'freedom' to do or not to do. Privately owned premises, their call. My place, my call. Neutral ground : parlay.
Problem is that under the pretext of caring for health, children, welfare, world climate, antarctic ice floes, whatever, zealots tend to ignore that principle to slice away that very freedom.
 

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I'd say that sums it up pretty well.

I am having a discussion with my wife regarding IQ requirements for voting.
It's a heated topic here in this house right now.

The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter
(Winston Churchill)

:D
 

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Im roaming the net today and i see all kinds of prohibition sales and sign this and that petition. Does anyone remember SOPA? It just went away didn't it? Do you remember how? I do sites shut down to create a real touch of reality. Google says there are 9 million vapers ,and yet there isn't enough of funds or support. Id like to see all vape related sites shut down for a time to really get the attention of vapers and their families. I wonder if they would give up business for one or two days to make a point verses forever. It should be given some thought.

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It would be interesting if all of the vaping websites went down for one day. Just a black screen with text like, "This is your vaping future."
 

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Hmmm...

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It would be interesting if all of the vaping websites went down for one day. Just a black screen with text like, "This is your vaping future."
 

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It would be interesting if all of the vaping websites went down for one day. Just a black screen with text like, "This is your vaping future."
Exactly, be even better if shops closed too with the same note on the door.

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Oh my...

Militancy / zealots on either side of the fence - aiding neither 'cause'

Seen/heard enough ANTZ rantz that did more to discredit their crusade than I could have done myself, leaving onlookers either completely aghast or snickering.

Unfortunately, there will always be some who are not 'getting' it:

Anyone's 'freedom' to do or not to do extends only to the point where it encraoches on someone elses 'freedom' to do or not to do. Privately owned premises, their call. My place, my call. Neutral ground : parlay.
Problem is that under the pretext of caring for health, children, welfare, world climate, antarctic ice floes, whatever, zealots tend to ignore that principle to slice away that very freedom.

Yeah... It was a Complete Scene. She was a Zealot by about Anyone's definition. And what we used to call a NUTZ.
 
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Stossel is currently fighting lung cancer. Ironic, eh?

Stossel reported tonight that he had a tumor on his lungs that was removed by surgery and no sign of any more cancer. I'm sure they'll be monitoring it, but at present he's doing well.
 

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I was hoping for at least 75,000 too. I guess we just haven't contacted enough folks :( Sadly I have run out of ways to let them know and it is truly sad that there are millions of Vapers out there that have no idea what is coming once these regs are written in stone and they are going to be left wondering why someone didn't do something about it. :facepalm:

Done, a minute ago.
 

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I closed the letter to my legislators with this bit today. I quite like it.

I'm a 57-year-old constituent who has voted in every election since I was 18. I am also an ex-smoker. After 40 years of smoking, I have been tobacco free for almost 4 years by using e-cigarettes. I will vote for candidates who support tobacco harm reduction, not for those who would block a path to health for millions of people in a misguided attempt to "Protect the Children."
 
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Some of you may find this interesting.

Losing the vaping debate.
All of us need to read and DO part 3. Get your story out and hit the sheep with quick slogans. The sheep like everything short and sweet. I have been swiping positive pics wherever I find them and putting them on FB. A good one is the one that has a stinkie and an ecig next to each other and the components listed.
 
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God bless my wife.

I have been searching for this childhood nugget of truth for a long time.
And she found it for me...
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Advise to reconsider some of what he actually means by that:

"Plato describes political rule as the “science of guardianship,” an exacting discipline that requires special knowledge and skills accessible only to a few. A stable society requires a system of rigorous training so those best suited to rule will be able to discharge their proper functions.

"A stable system of law (including custom, a kind of unwritten law) demands that members of a society be imbued with uniform and unchanging values. And because even the slightest deviation in social behavior can influence character, rulers should discourage innovation. All innovations in song and dance should be prohibited. This can be achieved, in accordance with the Egyptian example, by sanctifying orthodox music and dance — i.e., by investing them with religious significance. This means that an innovator can be exiled or, should he resist, charged with impiety (a capital crime in Plato’s ideal society). Plato feared innovation so much that he even opposed new games for children: “If children introduce novelties into their games, they’ll inevitably turn out to be quite different people from the previous generation; being different, they’ll demand a different kind of life, and that will then make them want new institutions and laws.”

"Plato is just getting started. The purpose of censorship is to insure that only “the fairest lessons of virtue” are taught to children......"

Also suggest reading the whole article, esp. after the passage above:
The Roots of State Education Part 2: Plato's Case Against Free-Market Education
 

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