Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[DaveP]

Again, I understand the argument, and there is a bit of truth to it. However, there's another aspect. If the only vapers that existed were those that no one ever sees or notices, how much different would public opinion really be? The FDA, CDC, etc. would not have run their campaigns any differently, they don't even mention blowing it in people's faces.

I don't advocate being rude, but vaping in public, so people might be able to see that there is nothing to be afraid of, that I do support.

I vape everywhere I go. I vape in Walmart, restaurants, stores, out in the parking lot, and in friends homes after I ask them if they mind.

What I don't do is blow clouds. I demonstrate by blowing the vapor straight down so that it dissipates and doesn't cause an objectionable cloud. I'm courteous in my vaping and have only been asked to stop once in 6 years. That was in a Chili's restaurant. The manager stopped by the table to inform me of his company's nationwide policy that didn't allow vaping inside the restaurant. I put it in my pocket and told him that I'd respect that policy. I haven't been back and probably won't.

I do have people who come up and ask me questions. Everyone has a relative who can't stop smoking successfully. I answer their questions and give them the ECF web site address,. I also tell them about my favorite vape shop that's also run by an ECF member with supplier status. If I hid my vaping in public I'd miss a lot of chances to explain how it works and how I was able to stop smoking easily.

The public doesn't really care if we vape and minimize the exhale. It's huge, voluminous clouds of vapor that send them running to complain to management.

 

[Pamawoman]

I got some good news from my Florida STATE rep in the FLORIDA senate about ecigs.
There are no pending regulations or regulatory changes before the Florida House or the Florida Senate.

 

[ZeroedIn]

It's very hard keeping up with this thread - I take a break for an afternoon and there are 10 more pages!!

My thought is this, and it might sound stupid and totally unplausible as I know nothing about foreign trade. BUT, if China is upset about this new FDA regulation (I am sure they have many other countries besides the US that they sell vaping equipment/juices to), wouldn't it be nice if someone knew someone who was high up in the China government and convinced them to stop allowing certain imports from the US to China that would really create a big mess for us? I have no idea if we even import anything to China but if we do, and I were China, I would cut that off big time and try to make a deal!!

The only thing the US exports to China is US dollars.

 

[WillyZee]

What is going to happen to BG, BT, and BP with Hijacking Vaping reminds me a bit of how cellphones have caught a lot of unsavoury behaviour ... even murders that would have gone unpunished in the past.

They can't see past their greed, desperation, and anxiety of facing a world without smoking.

We got them though ... as I've posted, they let too much amazing gear and nicotine onto the market that they can't get back.

We're going to use that to prove how easy it is to quit smoking.

And we're going to find out Vaping is quite harmless when used in moderation.

Shortest Prohibition ever




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[MacTechVpr]

I got some good news from my Florida STATE rep in the FLORIDA senate about ecigs.
There are no pending regulations or regulatory changes before the Florida House or the Florida Senate.

And they would be smart not to try. They protect the cigar industry and instate tobacco seriously here. They'd best strive to build commerce rather than destroy it at the behest of the federal model. We could be the vape capital (and show them how to do it right) as CA has abdicated the role. Good luck all.

 

[ZeroedIn]

Hi all, new member here but have been lurking for some time.
I would like to say that this is the most informative ( and funny! ) board that I have come across.
Thank you for sharing your knowledge.

Jody

Welcome, Jody.

 

[nineironman]

I vape everywhere I go. I vape in Walmart, restaurants, stores, out in parking lot, and in friends homes after I ask them if they mind.

What I don't do is blow clouds. I demonstrate by blowing the vapor straight down that it dissipates and doesn't cause an objectionable cloud. I'm courteous in my vaping and have only been asked to stop once in 6 years. That was in a Chili's restaurant. The manager stopped by the table to inform me of his company's nationwide policy that didn't allow vaping inside the restaurant. I put it in my pocket and told him that I'd respect that policy. I haven't been back and probably won't.

I do have people who come up and ask me questions. Everyone has a relative who can't stop smoking successfully. I answer their questions and give them the ECF web site address,. I also tell them about my favorite vape shop that's also run by an ECF member with supplier status. If I hid my vaping in public I'd miss a lot of chances to explain how it works and how I was able to stop smoking easily.[/

Welcome, Jody.

Welcome, Jody.[/QUOTE

Thanks, Zeroed In
2+ years vaping, just started being disgusted with my government.

 

[nineironman]

I guess where I stand is that I am a tootle puffer in the morning, sub ohmer in the daytime and a dripper in my mancave. There is room for us all.

 

[Lessifer]

My point was not that we don't have a public perception issue. My point is that it is no vaper's fault that we are where we are. We're all victims of an overzealous and overreaching agency. We need to stand together.

 

[Katya]

I understand what you're saying, but like nicnik I've never encountered this myself, probably because I don't get out much. My main interactions with non-smokers tend to be people who know me, some of them have loved ones that I've helped switch to vaping, so for the most part, I feel a lot of support.

Same here--and I do get out some. I see cloud chasers once in awhile when I'm in LA, but here, in my quiet Orange County, vapers are polite and discreet. And people who see me vape in public, where it's still OK to do so, sometimes approach me and ask me about vaping because they want to quit or want a family member or friend to quit. Other than that, nobody cares one way or the other.

 

[budynbuick]

You know, I just keep saying that we need to pool our resources and buy a third world country since we could probably get one cheap. Someone else suggested an island. Madagascar would qualify as both. It even has an animated movie series named after it.

Do 3rd world countries take PP?

 

[Katya]

Hi all, new member here but have been lurking for some time.
I would like to say that this is the most informative ( and funny! ) board that I have come across.
Thank you for sharing your knowledge.

Jody

Welcome aboard, Jody!

I'm Katya and I'm a vaper.

Oh yeah. We're a merry bunch! Especially when the going gets tough.

 

[Marc411]

This is posted elsewhere but worth posting again

Please note what the third speaker says, he talks about doing research, reading and listening to his constitutes. Novel idea, research and listening, something our government knows little about. It's amazing how informed this group is and they reference studies.

 

[buffaloguy]

Going back about 50 pages to the discussion about who should be the "president" of the "movement"; all other nominees are now obsolete.

It's the guy who wrote this.
That's the guy.
CASAA, hire him. Now. Make your chief executive a VP or something, and make this guy the new head of the operation.

I just read this Jerry Mcguire diatribe, and for all the words he typed he didnt say anything substancially different than I have said in this thread and on ECF for quite a long time.

More power to him for adding the necessary emotion to his writing but the bottom line is:
1) Have a forked tongued quick witted spokesperson.
2) Control the narrative (if you are only reactive, you have already lost)
3) Hire PR and everyone stays on message, always, no excpetions. If they dont, they get the boot.

As of now the FDA closed the discussion and owns ALL OF the narrative. Trouble is our industry leaders and orgs allowed it to happen, instead of hitting them hard before iftdid. Being reactive loses debates. It makes you inconsequential and makes you chase your own tail, with only ill fated illusions of advocacy.

Now is when these groups need to do 50x the work because they chose to wait and only react. They must go to work with a PR storm to every outlet, blast back at thr FDA with LOUD voices thru a controlled media firestorm. NOT one article here, and a press release there.... Controlled events, interviews, media attention grabbing crazy stunts... Even think Truth.org style guerilla tactics on the street with an audience.

All of the advocacy money NOW should go to PR, marketing, and legal. No other effort matters. Even legislation. That door is shut too. There is too much money for the politicians to allow it back open right now.
The only way to end prohibition is to show the world how truly stupid it is with SCIENCE and public opinion.

And let me make this VERY clear. If CASAA and other orgs think they can handle PR in house with current people they are SADLY mistaken. They need an agency, a large one, with depth and contacts. Otherwise, at this point, the only places that will hear their messages is places like ECF. No one else, witha big enough footprint, cares.

The right agency can make them care. Thats what good PR does and it is worth is weight in gold.

 

[Katya]

Got an interim response from Mr. RUbio today. He will get back to me. That's what he said last time I wrote him and guess what. He never got back to me.

Here's what I got:

Ms. Feinstein: 0
Ms. Boxer: 0
Ms. Walters: 0
Mr. Biden: 0
Mr. Obama: 0

 

[StormFinch]

Do 3rd world countries take PP?

They're more likely to take it than America. Us, Brazil and Canada were the only countries where PP disallowed e-cig sales the last I looked.

 

[Katya]

CA has abdicated the role.

Why is everybody always picking on us...

 

[Lessifer]

This is posted elsewhere but worth posting again

Please note what the third speaker says, he talks about doing research, reading and listening to his constitutes. Novel idea, research and listening, something our government knows little about. It's amazing how informed this group is and they reference studies.

It's amazing how much you can get done when you don't spend 3/4 your time in office gathering campaign contributions for reelection.

 

[Katya]

They're more likely to take it than America. Us, Brazil and Canada were the only countries where PP disallowed e-cig sales the last I looked.

Even here you can use PP for international transactions, but not domestic.

 

[StormFinch]

Why is everybody always picking on us...

Sorry Tweety, but your state's politicians make it extremely easy. The gun selling anti-gun guy for example.