Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[DPLongo22]

FDA seizes documents in surprise inspection of e-cigarette maker Juul

"I think people should interpret the fact that I and others have made such a dramatic shift from our prior position with respect to these products as representing the fact that we have seen information that is deeply disturbing and startling in terms of the rapid rise of youth use over a short period of time," Gottlieb told CNBC in a September interview.

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Actually, Doc, I was thinking more along the lines of, "I'd really like to have a peek into your portfolio."

Just sayin'.

 

[Baditude]

FDA seizes documents in surprise inspection of e-cigarette maker Juul

The documentary video by CNBC was quite good in my opinion. I didn't necessarily agree with the comments by older gentleman with the white beard, but overall I can see why juul has become the leader in e-cig devices.

 

[Baditude]

 

[Mazinny]

The documentary video by CNBC was quite good in my opinion. I didn't necessarily agree with the comments by older gentleman with the white beard, but overall I can see why JUUL has become the leader in e-cig devices.

That first comment is pretty funny:

Yeah Juuls are so popular my high school has juul rooms. There are toilets and sinks in them for some reason.

 

[DavidOck]

"I think people should interpret the fact that I and others have made such a dramatic shift from our prior position with respect to these products as representing the fact that we have seen information that is deeply disturbing and startling in terms of the rapid rise of youth use over a short period of time," Gottlieb told CNBC in a September interview.

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Actually, Doc, I was thinking more along the lines of, "I'd really like to have a peek into your portfolio."

Just sayin'.

Yup.

"Shares of three Big Tobacco companies — British American Tobacco, Philip Morris International and Altria — all moved to session highs on the news."

 

[Katdarling]

The documentary video by CNBC was quite good in my opinion. I didn't necessarily agree with the comments by older gentleman with the white beard, but overall I can see why JUUL has become the leader in e-cig devices.

The older "gentleman"??? Stanton Glantz? Hardly a gentleman, sweetie. And hardly a friend to the vape industry. Not even close. EVER.

Glantz, post his unending harassment and vilification of vape and e cigs, found himself in a different sort of arena.

Then again, I'm a big believer in Karma.



http://www.sfexaminer.com/ucsf-professor-faces-second-sexual-harassment-lawsuit/

 

[Kent C]

just to add something that has crossed my mind with the Chantix commercials.

If I were his doctor, I wouldn't recommend Chantix to Ray Liotta.

 

[440BB]

just to add something that has crossed my mind with the Chantix commercials.

If I were his doctor, I wouldn't recommend Chantix to Ray Liotta.

WHY NOT?????

 

[mikepetro]

Not exactly favorable to us, but I allow for the possibility that it could be legit.

Teens Who Vape More Likely to Smoke and Vape in Early Adulthood

It was funded by National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism (NIAAA) | , could they be in cahoots with the FDA. Also very possible.

 

[Eskie]

The NIH is a pretty trustworthy group who don't play politics. Still is like to see the raw data before making any call on it's validity. The fact that young adults are smoking less than at any other time does fly against vaping, now 10 years old, acting as a gateway, so evaluating vaping rates among teens in isolation can still be misleading.

 

[DPLongo22]

just to add something that has crossed my mind with the Chantix commercials.

If I were his doctor, I wouldn't recommend Chantix to Ray Liotta.

I also tend to distrust any company who makes such a product, yet fails to comprehend that separate bathtubs severely hampers productivity & efficiency related the original goal of the product.

SOMEBODY'S gettin' fired.

 

[untar]

I'm very skeptical of studies that claim

E-cigarette use was also significantly associated with subsequent [that one plant that shall not be named] use in the study

Their first sentence is contrary to what studies in the UK found (namely ecigs aren't a gateway into smoking to teens).

Let's say there are teens that vaped and later smoked. How do they control for if that teen would have started to smoke if ecigs didn't exist?
Keep in mind smoking amongst teens is still on a decline and vaping hasn't changed that (I'd argue if anything it contributed). So apparently not more teens are starting to smoke due to the "epidemic" that is vaping...

 

[Rossum]

Not exactly favorable to us, but I allow for the possibility that it could be legit.

Teens Who Vape More Likely to Smoke and Vape in Early Adulthood

It was funded by National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism (NIAAA) | , could they be in cahoots with the FDA. Also very possible.

We now know that teens are more likely to start smoking cigarettes in the future if they vape.

That may indeed be true. But what it doesn't tell us is what would have happened if vaping hadn't come to exist, or if vaping were somehow made to disappear. Would fewer young people smoke? Or would those young people who now sometimes vape and sometimes smoke just smoke all the time?

And let's not forget that smoking rates are currently at an all-time low across all age groups. Nobody seems to want to study how much of this can be credited to vaping being a good alternative to smoking.

 

[mikepetro]

The NIH is a pretty trustworthy group who don't play politics. Still is like to see the raw data before making any call on it's validity. The fact that young adults are smoking less than at any other time does fly against vaping, now 10 years old, acting as a gateway, so evaluating vaping rates among teens in isolation can still be misleading.

I tend to agree with you on their lack of bias. For example I am very intimate with alcoholism, and the information on their site was accurate, nothing triggered my BS radar. I have been clean and sober for 30 years, but was up to 2 fifths of Scotch a day when I quit. There info on the matter was objective.

 

[untar]

Well there's data and interpretation of the data. If multiple teens use ecigs and use wacky tobacky then that's a fact. Concluding that one leads to the other is a conclusion not supported by that data alone.
Could be that those teens are trying out all kinds of sh for the sake of trying it, not because they're causally linked.

 

[Hoggy]

Well there's data and interpretation of the data. If multiple teens use ecigs and use wacky tobacky then that's a fact. Concluding that one leads to the other is a conclusion not supported by that data alone.
Could be that those teens are trying out all kinds of sh for the sake of trying it, not because they're causally linked.

Exactly. It's plain experimentation - pure and simple. It's all part of trying to figure out the world around us. It's been happening since the dawn of time. And it will happen until the end of time.

 

[Brewdawg1181]

Not exactly favorable to us, but I allow for the possibility that it could be legit.

Teens Who Vape More Likely to Smoke and Vape in Early Adulthood

It was funded by National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism (NIAAA) | , could they be in cahoots with the FDA. Also very possible.

Yeah, but. Headline is kind of...well...duh. But in all likelihood infinitesimal percentage of cause and effect. Should read: "Teens who vape are the same ones who will smoke. And/or drink. And/or do drugs. And/or have premarital sex. And/or listen to objectionable music. And/or p*ss off their parents in any way possible.

I'm old, but I still remember. And still understand logic Teens who are likely to get in trouble with one thing are likely to get in trouble with another.

(definitely no offense at all intended toward you @mikepetro - I always respect your opinion, and appreciate your research and points of view!)

 

[mikepetro]

And yet more ammunition for the FDA


Study: E-Cigarette Injuries Drastically Underestimated

 

[440BB]

And yet more ammunition for the FDA


Study: E-Cigarette Injuries Drastically Underestimated

Damn.
Looks like a three pronged attack - "Nicotine addiction" and flavors to protect the children and batteries (often mishandled outside of a device) to protect the rest of us.
Feels like a vise is closing.

 

[Hoggy]

Damn.
Looks like a three pronged attack - "Nicotine addiction" and flavors to protect the children and batteries (often mishandled outside of a device) to protect the rest of us.
Feels like a vise is closing.

But there's also other uses for batteries such as 18650's. For instance, I currently have 6 flashlights that take 18650's. So an all out ban on those batteries would be as stupid as banning food flavorings in Greece. But pure hysterical stupidity seems to be the reigning trend with anti-vaping lately, soooo...

OTOH, if they go toward trying to make batteries such as the 18650 safer, then I'm wholeheartedly for it. Such as putting a halt on fake junk batteries made by scam artists.