Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[untar]

the FDA decides to regulate the use of regulated mods

They can't regulate regulated mods because they're already regulated

 

[mikepetro]

I often wonder if the dna boards offer any more safety protection than the run-of-the-mill protection circuitry that all regulated mods supposively offer. I hear DNA boards are allegedly more energy efficient in their battery use, and my own DNA mod seems to confirm that. I don't know if they are actually safer, but I honestly can't recall reading about any DNA mod catching on fire or exploding.

Hypothetical question. So if the FDA decides to regulate the use of regulated mods, should only DNA mods be allowed? Obviously more research is required.

I think the sale of new mechanical mods will not be available too much longer if the FDA has any say on the matter, for obvious reasons. Manufacturers could put a BMS in a mech, but technically it would no longer be a mech. I suspect mech purists would find a way to disable the BMS believing that it would affect optimimum performance.

Having been intensely involved with the beta testing of every DNA release since the DNA40, I can assure you that it has a full BMS implementation. No less than 5 levels of safety, full balancing for multi-cell Lipos, fuse protection, etc.. etc.. Evolv has even intentionally blown them up by remote short circuiting them and video captured it.

Should Evolv get an exclusive on the market, hell no! They do make a well engineered board, but competition keeps everybody honest.

 

[Rossum]

Hypothetical question. So if the FDA decides to regulate the use of regulated mods, should only DNA mods be allowed? Obviously more research is required.

Historically, regulatory agencies have published safety standards with performance specifications and then left it up to industry to figure out how to make products that meet those specifications. So no, I don't see a safety standard explicitly allowing only Evolv boards. I also don't think the FDA is right agency to publish a safety standard for what are essentially consumer electronics products. That's just not their area of expertise.

 

[DPLongo22]

They can't regulate regulated mods because they're already regulated

That made my head hurt.

 

[zoiDman]

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Hypothetical question. So if when the FDA decides to regulate the use of regulated mods, should only DNA mods be allowed? Obviously more research is required.

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I just Can't Envision an e-Cigarette that can successfully obtain a PMTA that won't have some form of TC.

So I guess the Question would become... "Who Owns the Rights to TC?"

 

[Baditude]

I just Can't Envision an e-Cigarette that can successfully obtain a PMTA that won't have some form of TC.

So I guess the Question would become... "Who Owns the Rights to TC?"

If by TC you mean Temperature Control, I believe Evolv holds the patent by virtue of designing the first TC in their DNA boards.

 

[zoiDman]

If by TC you mean Temperature Control, I believe Evolv holds the patent by virtue of designing the first TC in their DNA boards.

I really Don't know what Patents (either Held or Pending) are out there for what we call TC ?

But I do Know this, there Ain't gonna be a PMTA-ed Mod that is a Patent Violation of some Rights Holder.

 

[mikepetro]

If by TC you mean Temperature Control, I believe Evolv holds the patent by virtue of designing the first TC in their DNA boards.

They do, and it is well patented.

But..... Since when has China cared about patents?

 

[Baditude]

They do, and it is well patented.

But..... Since when has China cared about patents?

I'm well aware. I seem to remember that the Wismec Rouloux RX200 was using the Evolv DNA board innitially and then decided to put their own cheaper board in. Evolv threatened a patent infringement or at least a contract violation. Not sure how it all turned out. You probably know the details.

 

[untar]

I believe Evolv holds the patent by virtue of designing the first TC in their DNA boards

Would that mean they hold it for the whole category of tobacco products?
I can see how that wouldn't sit well with certain companies...

 

[zoiDman]

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But..... Since when has China cared about patents?

Not Very Often.

But are we Talk'n about the Limbo Market we are in Now? Or a Truly Regulated Market we are moving into?

 

[BillW50]

I forget exactly how badly it went for Evolv Baditude. But I remember that Evolv either lost or it ended in a stalemate.

 

[Baditude]

Would that mean they hold it for the whole category of tobacco products?
I can see how that wouldn't sit well with certain companies...

Petro probably knows more than me. I didn't pay much attention to DNA boards or TC until I got my own DNA mod. What little I remember is Evolv does hold the patent, but wasn't enforcing it fully. They had a manufacturing contract with Wismec to make DNA-RX200's. They got ...... at Wismec because they believed they were blatently breaking the contract they had together and making a HUGE profit with their own version of the RX200 via reverse engineering.

 

[untar]

I was talking more about the US BT ecig manufacturers.

 

[Baditude]

I was talking more about the US BT ecig manufacturers.

What US BT ecig manufacturers use real Temp Control technology in their products?

I'm guessing any "temp control" advertised by BT manufacturers simply means a "regulated" battery device.

 

[Baditude]

Did some Google Fu:

EVOLV SUES JOYETECH / WISMEC / ELEAF / ISMOKA OVER THE RX200 ...
Joyetech Won the DNA 200 case against Evolv ...

From what I can determine, the law suit is still tied up in court.

 

[zoiDman]

Just some FYI...

"Abstract

An electronic vaporizer including a heating element for heating a fluid to produce a vapor; a power source to provide electrical power to the heating element for heating the fluid; and a power control circuit configured to regulate a supply of electrical power from the power source to the heating element based at least in part on an operating temperature of the heating element and a temperature setting to prevent the operating temperature of the heating element from exceeding the temperature setting.

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[0030] In one example, temperature control can be implemented by utilizing a heating element comprising a material with a known, positive temperature coefficient of resistance. The controller 120, by measuring a relative change in resistance of the heating element 132, can determine a relative change in temperature. By establishing a reference resistance, e.g., an absolute resistance of the heating element at a known temperature, the controller 120 can determine an average temperature of the heating element 132 based on a measured resistance"

US20150359263A1 - Electronic vaporizer having temperature sensing and limit - Google Patents

 

[untar]

What US BT ecig manufacturers use real Temp Control technology in their products?

So far none but if it would become mandatory through the regulation they wouldn't be happy to put it mildly.

 

[Baditude]

So far none but if it would become mandatory through the regulation they wouldn't be happy to put it mildly.

BT lobbyists would never let it happen. And the FDA isn't going to bite the hand that feeds them.

Ordinarily, I'd say BT should pay the licensing fee for the rights to use Evolv's TC like any other manufacturer should. They'd just pass the costs on to their customers anyway.

 

[Rossum]

So I guess the Question would become... "Who Owns the Rights to TC?"

There's a Greek Guy who believes he does, and claims an earlier priority date on a European patent.