Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[Robert Cromwell]

We can still DIY NET tobacco flavorings.

 

[mikepetro]

why I have stocked up on nic.

As have I. That and Attys are the 2 places I fear they will have the most impact. Everything else is available from other industries.

 

[Robert Cromwell]

As have I. That and Attys are the 2 places I fear they will have the most impact. Everything else is available from other industries.

And higher wattage regulated mods and rba's/rda's due to the potential safety factor of makiing too low of a coil or a short.

 

[Myrany]

I ran into another older vaper today at walgreens. She and I struck up a conversation over a vape outside. She has been happily vaping her twists + clearos for 3+ years. She was totally oblivious to the fact that we are about to be regulated out of existence. Now she is just flat .......

I pointed her to ECF and CASAA and told her if we want to keep our vapes we have to get involved. She plans to. Her words to me were "The Government done blew it. They have underestimated just how much noise a blue haired old lady can make!"

We need more with her spirit.

Unfortunately I don't think her story is that unusual. There have to be thousands who are simply oblivious to what is happening.

 

[crxess]

Is there any estimate on how much of a budget increase the FDA will need to implement the regulations?

This was all included in The FDA Budget Bill as Justification for increases in Funding
FDA Gains in Application FEES <<<<<<
FDA Can do as they please so long as they collect from industry to offset cost of operation
Talk about Wild West....................Sheriff Zeller

I'd say Puritanical............but Puritans are not so Dictatorial or ignorant of Change.
Tyrannically Oppressive maybe

 

[salemgold]

NO MORE CASUALTIES - VAPING BECOMES COLLATERAL DAMAGE IN WAR ON SMOKING - REG WATCH (E28) from Brent Stafford on Vimeo

 

[mostlyclassics]

I have some cotton I bought for making wicks. Shortly after, I bought some organic cotton to use, instead.

It's very complicated to try and figure out how I might be allowed to use that first box of cotton I bought. Is it still a tobacco product, now that its intended use has changed? Once it becomes illegal for me to use for vaping, can I still use it for other things? Can I give it away to someone who doesn't vape, and therefore would have no vaping intended use? If not, I'll recycle the box, but is the cotton condemned to the landfill?

Now I'm totally confused. Is the FDA talking about some bizarre form of transubstantiation? Is our government trying to found a new religion?

 

[Endor]

Unfortunately I don't think her story is that unusual. There have to be thousands who are simply oblivious to what is happening.

This is quite correct.

This situation has been reported pretty broadly in the mainstream media, but with no details that describes what is really going on. With some exceptions, they've reported that the FDA has put age limits in place (ok, no problem), implemented "safety regulations" (sounds benign on the surface), warning labels (who reads them anyway?), and are now just "treating them like cigarettes" (well, cigarettes are widely available, so this shouldn't be a problem).

The NY Times ran an op-ed literally calling these "sensible regulations" to protect the children (broken link: http://www.nytimes.c om/2016/05/07/opinion/keeping-e-cigarettes-away-from-the-kids.html). The news article in the NYT was also very positive on these regulations. We know the NY Times has had a bone with vaping for some time, but a lot of people outside New York consider it to be a very valid news source (well not me, I see it as a liberal propaganda mouthpiece).

So, it doesn't surprise me that most vapers who are not active in this community, or active in advocacy, would have no clue how dire this situation truly is.

 

[crxess]

The most troubling measure for e-cigarette industry players is the FDA approval process. Many of the small vape shops, device manufacturers and liquid nicotine producers are concerned that they won’t be able to afford the FDA’s approval process, which could cost anywhere from $2 million to $10 million per item, according to the regulatory consulting company SciLucent LLC.

E-Cigarettes and The FDA: First, Do No Harm

 

[Endor]

Now I'm totally confused. Is the FDA talking about some bizarre form of transubstantiation? Is our government trying to found a new religion?

The voice in my head upon reading this, and really wanting to answer it with some snippy/witty comment:

(Just move on... don't do it.... just, let it be....keep away from politics.... let KentC take this one.... )

 

[Bronze]

Just a note of interest that I think you will find rather charming...

There are 58 co-sponsors of H.R. 2058. If you break these 58 down by state, the top three are Virginia, North Carolina, and Kentucky...historically the three leading producers of tobacco.

I live in NC and when I first moved here in 1998 there were many tobacco fields. You couldn't go anywhere without seeing them. The tobacco plant has a beautiful white flower at maturity. Truthfully, it was a beautiful site when they were in full bloom. Since then, almost every tobacco field has been replaced by cotton or soy.

 

[Robino1]

Just a note of interest that I think you will find rather charming...

There are 58 co-sponsors of H.R. 2058. If you break these 58 down by state, the top three are Virginia, North Carolina, and Kentucky...historically the three leading producers of tobacco.

I live in NC and when I first moved here in 1998 there were many tobacco fields. You couldn't go anywhere without seeing them. The tobacco plant has a beautiful white flower at maturity. Truthfully, it was a beautiful site when they were in full bloom. Since then, almost every tobacco field has been replaced by cotton or soy.

 

[MacTechVpr]

So where is the tobacco coming from? Good luck.

 

[crxess]

Just a note of interest that I think you will find rather charming...

There are 58 co-sponsors of H.R. 2058. If you break these 58 down by state, the top three are Virginia, North Carolina, and Kentucky...historically the three leading producers of tobacco.

I live in NC and when I first moved here in 1998 there were many tobacco fields. You couldn't go anywhere without seeing them. The tobacco plant has a beautiful white flower at maturity. Truthfully, it was a beautiful site when they were in full bloom. Since then, almost every tobacco field has been replaced by cotton or soy.

And I don't Care Who the Sponsors are. I think it is a travesty that no other Representatives are listening to the people who they SUPPOSEDLY Represent.

VAPING is Not Big Tobacco.....................Yet
The Big Tobacco is Responsible for Vaping LIE is no Excuse for this DEEMING
Handing VAPING to Big Tobacco seems - Criminally INSANE

 

[mostlyclassics]

OK, so the Constitution, the supreme law of our nation, states that any rights not granted to the federal government are reserved for the states and/or the people.

[edited for brevity and relevance]

. . . am I missing something here? Wouldn't these be grounds for some sort of legal argument?

I assume you're referring to the Tenth Amendment, which reads,

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people

Thanks to aggressive legislation and judicial reinterpretations, that amendment is essentially dead.

 

[Robino1]

Has anyone actually looked at the links to the sponsors that are trying to help the cigar industry get exempted from the FDA regs?

CONTACT Those that are on that list that belong to your district. Ask them to also get on board with HR2058. I've contacted mine that are on the list. Yes, it is Dems and Repubs.

Seems as though the cigar industry has bipartisanship. Make them listen to us too.

 

[sparkky1]

This was all included in The FDA Budget Bill as Justification for increases in Funding
FDA Gains in Application FEES <<<<<<
FDA Can do as they please so long as they collect from industry to offset cost of operation
Talk about Wild West....................Sheriff Zeller

I'd say Puritanical............but Puritans are not so Dictatorial or ignorant of Change.
Tyrannically Oppressive maybe

Collect from the "industry" and do what with the money ?
Former FDA Commissioner in Massive Conspiracy and Rackeetering Lawsuit | Federal Charges.com 2016

 

[crxess]

So where is the tobacco coming from? Good luck.

Part of their Blends have been coming from...............Wait for it.............

China

For a Long long time.

Top Tobacco production :

 

[Bronze]

So where is the tobacco coming from? Good luck.

The same place where everything else comes from and the same place that we sent the American economy to. China.

 

[Robino1]

CASAA.org - The Consumer Advocates for Smoke-free Alternatives Association
13 mins ·


Today, CASAA, SFATA, AEMSA, AVA and NBS have formally announced their coalition to pursue legal and legislative strategies now that the FDA’s final deeming regulations have been released.

The coalition will continue working to determine the correct litigation strategy and legislative actions. We will be informing the vapor industry and community of next steps, deadlines, PR objectives, and grassroots efforts. Organizations interested in participating should contact coalition partners.

Please feel free to contact any of the organizations listed above for more details in the coming days.