Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[CMD-Ky]

I've been saying this for years and get piled on for saying it. We can complain about politicians all day long but in the end we have only ourselves to blame when we re-elect the same people over and over.

Local elections are critical to observing, evaluating and preparing good candidates. And, if anyone is depressed about general election turnout then take a look at the turnout in primaries. There will not be much change if no one new emerges out of the primary process.

RE-ELECT NO ONE!

 

[Bronze]

Local elections are critical to observing, evaluating and preparing good candidates. And, if anyone is depressed about general election turnout then take a look at the turnout in primaries. There will not be much change if no one new emerges out of the primary process.

RE-ELECT NO ONE!

Totally agree. The primaries can be a great way to make changes. One doesn't have to change their party to enact changes. And as much as I hate party politics the fact is parties tend to move as blocks. That makes party voting more important than I would like it to be (if I had my way I would ban parties). But it is what it is and the best choice we have to make changes in the current system is primaries.

 

[Katdarling]

We can see the effects on ECF. The traffic on this forum is down from a year or two ago.

An aside, and perhaps not even interesting. . .

We've been tracking for well over a year now. (sorry for the jumbled text)


Date ECF members
22-Apr-2016 242,700
24-Apr-2016 242,766
26-Apr-2016 242,836
29-Apr-2016 242,958
2-May-2016 243,056
7-May-2016 243,271
11-May-2016 243,456
15-May-2016 243,563
19-May-2016 243,811
22-May-2016 243,927
30-May-2016 244,189
3-Jun-2016 244,336
8-Jun-2016 244,505
13-Jun-2016 244,695
22-Jun-2016 245,023
5-Jul-2016 245,421
14-Jul-2016 245,692
17-Jul-2016 245,761
26-Jul-2016 246,034
30-Jul-2016 246,158
7-Aug-2016 246,387
23-Aug-2016 246,856
1-Sep-2016 247,120
28-Sep-2016 247,844
17-Oct-2016 248,296
4-Nov-2016 248,676
3-Dec-2016 249,350
20-Dec-2016 249,705
1-Jan-2017 250,120
13-Feb-2017 250,990
21-Mar-2017 252,019
19-Apr-2017 252,802
24-May-2017 253,752
7-Jul-2017 254,800
17_Jul_2017 255,029

 

[mikepetro]

An aside, and perhaps not even interesting. . .

We've been tracking for well over a year now. (sorry for the jumbled text)


Date ECF members
22-Apr-2016 242,700
24-Apr-2016 242,766
26-Apr-2016 242,836
29-Apr-2016 242,958
2-May-2016 243,056
7-May-2016 243,271
11-May-2016 243,456
15-May-2016 243,563
19-May-2016 243,811
22-May-2016 243,927
30-May-2016 244,189
3-Jun-2016 244,336
8-Jun-2016 244,505
13-Jun-2016 244,695
22-Jun-2016 245,023
5-Jul-2016 245,421
14-Jul-2016 245,692
17-Jul-2016 245,761
26-Jul-2016 246,034
30-Jul-2016 246,158
7-Aug-2016 246,387
23-Aug-2016 246,856
1-Sep-2016 247,120
28-Sep-2016 247,844
17-Oct-2016 248,296
4-Nov-2016 248,676
3-Dec-2016 249,350
20-Dec-2016 249,705
1-Jan-2017 250,120
13-Feb-2017 250,990
21-Mar-2017 252,019
19-Apr-2017 252,802
24-May-2017 253,752
7-Jul-2017 254,800
17_Jul_2017 255,029

need to look at the last logon dates though. I.e. how many are active.

 

[CMD-Ky]

Are membership rolls purged due to inactivity? Is there a tracking mechanism for, say total posts by month or quarter?

An aside, and perhaps not even interesting. . .

We've been tracking for well over a year now. (sorry for the jumbled text)


Date ECF members
22-Apr-2016 242,700
24-Apr-2016 242,766
26-Apr-2016 242,836
29-Apr-2016 242,958
2-May-2016 243,056
7-May-2016 243,271
11-May-2016 243,456
15-May-2016 243,563
19-May-2016 243,811
22-May-2016 243,927
30-May-2016 244,189
3-Jun-2016 244,336
8-Jun-2016 244,505
13-Jun-2016 244,695
22-Jun-2016 245,023
5-Jul-2016 245,421
14-Jul-2016 245,692
17-Jul-2016 245,761
26-Jul-2016 246,034
30-Jul-2016 246,158
7-Aug-2016 246,387
23-Aug-2016 246,856
1-Sep-2016 247,120
28-Sep-2016 247,844
17-Oct-2016 248,296
4-Nov-2016 248,676
3-Dec-2016 249,350
20-Dec-2016 249,705
1-Jan-2017 250,120
13-Feb-2017 250,990
21-Mar-2017 252,019
19-Apr-2017 252,802
24-May-2017 253,752
7-Jul-2017 254,800
17_Jul_2017 255,029

 

[Bronze]

An aside, and perhaps not even interesting. . .

We've been tracking for well over a year now. (sorry for the jumbled text)


Date ECF members
22-Apr-2016 242,700
24-Apr-2016 242,766
26-Apr-2016 242,836
29-Apr-2016 242,958
2-May-2016 243,056
7-May-2016 243,271
11-May-2016 243,456
15-May-2016 243,563
19-May-2016 243,811
22-May-2016 243,927
30-May-2016 244,189
3-Jun-2016 244,336
8-Jun-2016 244,505
13-Jun-2016 244,695
22-Jun-2016 245,023
5-Jul-2016 245,421
14-Jul-2016 245,692
17-Jul-2016 245,761
26-Jul-2016 246,034
30-Jul-2016 246,158
7-Aug-2016 246,387
23-Aug-2016 246,856
1-Sep-2016 247,120
28-Sep-2016 247,844
17-Oct-2016 248,296
4-Nov-2016 248,676
3-Dec-2016 249,350
20-Dec-2016 249,705
1-Jan-2017 250,120
13-Feb-2017 250,990
21-Mar-2017 252,019
19-Apr-2017 252,802
24-May-2017 253,752
7-Jul-2017 254,800
17_Jul_2017 255,029

need to look at the last logon dates though. I.e. how many are active.

Are membership rolls purged due to inactivity? Is there a tracking mechanism for, say total posts by month or quarter?

13,000 new members in the last 15 months but how many quit reading and posting? Also using the chart numbers, ECF averaged 26,000 new signs up per year for the first 9 years but only 13,000 new signups in the last 15 months?? Definitely a drop off and a big one.

 

[beckdg]

Let's face it.

More power is available these days and most of it is plug and play.

Nobody's out searching for blue foam and drilling out the holes in their protanks anymore.

Aside from the politics of vaping most want to turn a blind eye on, there's not much necessity for discussion.

Most probably sign on just to see photos that are otherwise blocked.

Guns don't kill people, virgins do! -Jim Jeffries

 

[DaveP]

Smoking has declined from 21% in 2005 to 15% in 2015. Some who quit started vaping and others just quit. When I was growing up in the 60s 56% of adults smoked at least a pack a day. I infrequently see people vaping in public and only have a few friends who vape at all.

U.S. Smoking Rates Down From 1960s

 

[440BB]

There are so many sources of vaping information today between shops, youtube and forums that many newer vapers don't need to seek out answers very thoroughly before they get an acceptable vape.

As the vendors chased the high power market and the FDA stepped in, I expect many of the vapers from the early years found little to say and stocked up, making less activity likely. Those who started vaping just for fun/clouds who had never smoked were more likely to join and only post for a while before moving on as that fad settled down.

When I joined ECF, there were dozens of new vapers filled with excitement and curiosity showing up every day, happy to finally find the one place they could learn, share their experience and help others. Many, including myself, were gushing about this miracle that helped them finally cut down or stop smoking. Vaping has become a mature business now, leaving the forums more for the hobbyist/social aspect.

 

[Eskie]

Smoking has declined from 21% in 2005 to 15% in 2015. Some who quit started vaping and others just quit. When I was growing up in the 60s 56% of adults smoked at least a pack a day. I infrequently see people vaping in public and only have a few friends who vape at all.

U.S. Smoking Rates Down From 1960s

The reduction is an important trend for people's health, but even 15% is still around 45 million people. That's still a big market for BT, and if only 10% of those smokers moved to vaping that's 4.5 million new vapers in the US, assuming regulations don't kill it. That's a lot of people to leave stuck on cigarettes.

 

[DaveP]

The reduction is an important trend for people's health, but even 15% is still around 45 million people. That's still a big market for BT, and if only 10% of those smokers moved to vaping that's 4.5 million new vapers in the US, assuming regulations don't kill it. That's a lot of people to leave stuck on cigarettes.

The cure for smoking has been well advertised. There's vape shops all over. If smokers don't take advantage then it's their life, however shortened. That sounds cynical, but it's truth. The cure for smoking has been around for a decade and it's not Nicorette.

I guess there are smokers who just want to rip open a pack, smoke at will, and dump the .... in an ash tray (if they can find one). I smoked for 40 years and probably would be smoking today if it weren't for finding ECF.

 

[lynn508]

The media has ruined vaping like almost everything else they broadcast. People are scared to death thinking just touching an ecig will cause it to explode and ejuice will turn you into a leper. Along with a public that can barely make eye-contact with another because they might miss what their neighbor is doing on their facebook phone. They don't want to learn anything new they want the easy button for life in general.

 

[DaveP]

The media has ruined vaping like almost everything else they broadcast. People are scared to death thinking just touching an ecig will cause it to explode and ejuice will turn you into a leper. Along with a public that can barely make eye-contact with another because they might miss what their neighbor is doing on their facebook phone. They don't want to learn anything new they want the easy button for life in general.

None of us will escape life without dying. The anti-smoking-vaping Nazis just hate seeing anything that looks like smoke. They don't mind walking down an urban street with a hundred cars, trucks, and buses blowing carbon monoxide and a soup of other chemicals in their path, but let someone exhale a puff of ecig vapor and watch out!

 

[ENAUD]

None of us will escape life without dying. The anti-smoking-vaping Nazis just hate seeing anything that looks like smoke. They don't mind walking down an urban street with a hundred cars, trucks, and buses blowing carbon monoxide and a soup of other chemicals in their path, but let someone exhale a puff of ecig vapor and watch out!

The whole anti smoking thing has and always will be a moral agenda, that has always been my thought on the matter, the most vocal of them have some deep seated emotional problems and take it out on the evil smokers.

 

[motordude]

The whole anti smoking thing has and always will be a moral agenda, that has always been my thought on the matter, the most vocal of them have some deep seated emotional problems and take it out on the evil smokers.

Eggzactly!!!
We sinners must repent, or at least be taxed to death.

 

[jcoopercam]

The anti-smoking-vaping Nazis just hate seeing anything that looks like smoke. They don't mind walking down an urban street with a hundred cars, trucks, and buses blowing carbon monoxide and a soup of other chemicals in their path, but let someone exhale a puff of ecig vapor and watch out!

I rarely ever get flack over vaping, but then I don't walk into stores blowing smoke-stacks either. My cousin's daughter owned a small beer and wine pub in Ohio. Nearly every day for over a month they had to throw people out for disrupting business. He described it as "utter sub-Ohm madness!"

To the kids it's a fad, who will eventually move-on to other things. As long as it involves EDM and Hip-Hop, I'm sure they'll be happy. In the meantime, they are ruining (have ruined) it for those of us who vape in place of cigarettes. Honestly though, I think this would have gone down the same way regardless of age and cloud size.

While I'm here, I'd also like to point-out the hypocrisy it terms of teenagers vaping. When was big tobacco and government ever concerned with teenage smokers? If memory serves (circa 1970's), the price of a pack of cigarettes always (and conveniently) coincided with the price of a school lunch.

 

[mikepetro]

Would you rather a 15 year old get a hold of a pack of smokes, or a Istick?
The law damn sure doesnt stop them from getting smokes!

Obviously, not doing either would be better, but since when have teenagers cared about anything other than being "cool"?

 

[Katdarling]

need to look at the last logon dates though. I.e. how many are active.

Are membership rolls purged due to inactivity? Is there a tracking mechanism for, say total posts by month or quarter?

When I joined ECF, there were dozens of new vapers filled with excitement and curiosity showing up every day, happy to finally find the one place they could learn, share their experience and help others. Many, including myself, were gushing about this miracle that helped them finally cut down or stop smoking. Vaping has become a mature business now, leaving the forums more for the hobbyist/social aspect.

I guess there are smokers who just want to rip open a pack, smoke at will, and dump the .... in an ash tray (if they can find one). I smoked for 40 years and probably would be smoking today if it weren't for finding ECF.

Add me to this wonderful trio, guys. I feel preZACTLY as you do. I know I'd still be smoking! I was an accidental quitter who never wanted to quit. Vape kept my hands busy, and ECF kept me mentally busy. Win Win WIN.

 

[dobroeutro]

Would you rather a 15 year old get a hold of a pack of smokes, or a Istick?
The law damn sure doesnt stop them from getting smokes!

Obviously, not doing either would be better, but since when have teenagers cared about anything other than being "cool"?

"The very young do not always do what they are told." Anteaus of the Nox...

 

[jcoopercam]

Would you rather a 15 year old get a hold of a pack of smokes, or a Istick?
The law damn sure doesnt stop them from getting smokes!

Obviously, not doing either would be better, but since when have teenagers cared about anything other than being "cool"?

LOL! My motto was; "It's not what you do... It's how cool you look while doing it."