Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!
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And corrupt.DH stopped paying his dues about 10 years ago (I swear) when I asked him why exactly he was a member of AMA. He stared at me--and that was that... DD, still in med school, has no desire to join. But both are getting tons of letters begging them to join.
AMA is totally, pathetically, irrelevant.
Does me. Sort of.
Why doesn't that surprise me...
I was in the "they're going after the smokes" camp. I suppose I still don't have to give up on my "pet theory", since I can imagine [in true conspiracy nut-like fashion] that it's all due to it being an election season starting and the current admin can't afford the hit on that one. If he's concerned about vaping votes, just imagine how ...... all all the smokers will be as well. This after him complaining about "nanny states" and getting elected.
So...I'm guessing it's just "on pause", that they'll still go after the cigs, and the rest of this propaganda makes sense in that they have a REAL TARGET that they aren't really talking about yet. They have to complete the "turn it all over to BT plan" first.
But I suppose (you know, me being an optimist and all
) that maybe the tide has turned and the BT take-over is off because they've been found out and called out. But given the amount of $$$ involved, I doubt that one. And then there's still the pending deeming.
No they don't. It's all the same money. It's all greenbacks.
Doesn't matter if it comes from taxing cigs (which the can still do, even lower nic cigs) or if it comes from taxing vilified vaping stuff. Hell, if they tax the hardware too it's a double whammy.
It all spends the same.
it makes complete sense to me that they would allow cigarettes to retain higher nic levels. The proposed excise tax on ecigs clearly won't make up for the cigarette tax revenues, especially after the deeming wipes out much of that market. Keeping higher nic cigarettes on the shelves will fulfill the revenue stream for all.
This assumes that the fraudulent attacks on ecigs are intertwined with the need to placate the lobbies and industries and the addiction to tax revenue.
This assumes that the fraudulent attacks on ecigs are intertwined with the need to placate the lobbies and industries and the addiction to tax revenue.
Cigarettes is the Barb on the end Hook when it comes to Tobacco Taxation.
And if one was Politically Naive enough to truly try to Screw with Cigarettes, they wouldn't get a couple thousand people in the Ellipse.
They would get something more along the Lines of this...
It's been in the works for a long time....
And BT has declared a "smoke free future".
And given all the crap these days, I'm not counting out political naivete at all. Particularly when we here are complaining that e-cigs are a better healthiER alternative as THR.
Someone in this thread recently posted something about... "I'll believe it when I See It."
Cutting Nicotine down to Non-Addictive Levels in Cigarettes isn't even a Pipe Dream. It's a I've Hitting on a Pipe too Long dream.
Cigarettes is the Barb on the end Hook when it comes to Tobacco Taxation.
And if one was Politically Naive enough to truly try to Screw with Cigarettes, they wouldn't get a couple thousand people in the Ellipse.
They would get something more along the Lines of this...
And if they tried to ban Juuls
In other news, Doctors treating deadly lung disease face a problem: Some patients lie about vaping
"It may turn out there are only two kinds of people who get this disease: those who vape THC and those who won't admit it," said Dr. Scott Aberegg, a critical care pulmonologist at University of Utah Health. Aberegg has treated more than 30 patients with EVALI so far."
Not everyone is out to mislead.
OK, most are, but there are still a few voices of reason out there.
"It may turn out there are only two kinds of people who get this disease: those who vape THC and those who won't admit it," said Dr. Scott Aberegg, a critical care pulmonologist at University of Utah Health. Aberegg has treated more than 30 patients with EVALI so far."
Not everyone is out to mislead.
OK, most are, but there are still a few voices of reason out there.
There is a slightly more radical option to prevent the youth vape epidemic.
Just ban Kids.
No kids = No problems.
AHA, shame on you and your pathetic lying about #QuitLying.
A study from the University of Dundee, published in November 2019 and funded by the British Heart Foundation, suggests that vaping may be less harmful to your blood vessels than smoking cigarettes. Within just one month of switching tobacco for electronic cigarettes, measures of blood vessel health, including blood pressure and stiffness of their arteries, had started to improve. The study looked at 114 people who had smoked at least 15 cigarettes a day for at least two years. Details are here.
A study from the University of Dundee, published in November 2019 and funded by the British Heart Foundation, suggests that vaping may be less harmful to your blood vessels than smoking cigarettes. Within just one month of switching tobacco for electronic cigarettes, measures of blood vessel health, including blood pressure and stiffness of their arteries, had started to improve. The study looked at 114 people who had smoked at least 15 cigarettes a day for at least two years. Details are here.
Another link at the bottom of the article. Interesting take from Gottlieb.
Trump retreat on e-cig flavor ban is a 'Pyrrhic victory' for vaping industry, Scott Gottlieb says
That is an interesting take but again, all of this is moot with a May Deeming deadline looming. No one in the govt or press ever talks about that.
It Isn't Moot to those wanting to End a Lease or to Sell Off Inventory in a somewhat Normal Manor.
Or to just what will be the Bar to Jump Over in the PMTA Phase.
I concur with Gottlieb's accessment. And here is my proposal:
Even though PMTA is just around the corner, this threat is immediate. My hope is that recognition for a larger role of harm reduction, against the backdrop of a few bad actors, can lead to more reasonable outcomes.
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Sadly true. Strict enforcement of the Deeming rule would mean vaping being completely shut down overnight, which would be rather dramatic. The media like drama, and sad old grandmas and grandpas talking about how the heartless government had forced them back to smoking would hit a lot of buttons. Little kids saying please don't kill my grandma. Not to mention 40,000 small businesses being shut down. Etc.
It would give the feds some cover if there was still an unaddressed teen epidemic in place. And conversely they would take a bigger hit for doing it if pods had been banned. Just thinking it would be a harder sell for the government to drop the hammer on non-pod vaping if they had already closed down the type of vaping that almost all teens use. Especially for an administration that has taken a strong position on reducing regulations. There is wiggle room written into the regulations for them to soften the blow if they choose.
Can't see it happening though. The pod industry owns a lot of politicians, and the Gov must realise they need pods in place to justify a crackdown.
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