FDA says it intends to propose deeming regulation this summer, to track all tobacco ads (including e-cigarettes)

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Amazing isn't it? At one time the heavy tax on cigarettes was justified by the dubious claim of recovering the costs of smoking-related health care expenses. Now when the issue is discussed, the consensus seems to be that heavy taxation on nicotine is inevitable and a collective shrug. vaping has no known adverse effects, no drain on the health care system and is harmless to bystanders. A tax on nicotine is completely unjustified and I think we should be howling louder about this.
 

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Amazing isn't it? At one time the heavy tax on cigarettes was justified by the dubious claim of recovering the costs of smoking-related health care expenses. Now when the issue is discussed, the consensus seems to be that heavy taxation on nicotine is inevitable and a collective shrug. vaping has no known adverse effects, no drain on the health care system and is harmless to bystanders. A tax on nicotine is completely unjustified and I think we should be howling louder about this.

When the National Dept is a Number that more Closely Resembles the Distance from the Earth to Saturn. And Most States are on the Brink of Collapse, any New Taxation is going to be a hard sell with Government Policy makers as Unjustified.

U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time
 

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Anywhere they can bring in funds, even if it's unjustified- it will be considered...

Yeah, that's kinda how Government's work.

The Concept of them spending Less isn't considered much. Or even spending the same but on things that might Help More Americans.
 

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When the National Dept is a Number that more Closely Resembles the Distance from the Earth to Saturn. And Most States are on the Brink of Collapse, any New Taxation is going to be a hard sell with Government Policy makers as Unjustified.

U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time

I wish it was only to Saturn, at a dollar per mile it's 2.67 light years or 62% of the way to Alpha Centauri. Hadn't even thought of it in those terms until your post. Really wish I hadn't.

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I wish it was only to Saturn, at a dollar per mile it's 2.67 light years or 62% of the way to Alpha Centauri. Hadn't even thought of it in those terms until your post. Really wish I hadn't.

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Yeah, Sorry for posting those Numbers. They are Depressing.

When it takes Ever Taxpayer’s Earnings East of the Mississippi River just to Pay the Interest on the Dept, something is Seriously Wrong with the way we run Our Country.

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The desire of the government to find more things tax is obvious. But why are we so passive about it being applied to nicotine? Are they about to throw a 200% tax on caffeine? Milk? Footballs? No, but they'll tax nicotine and cloak it as a deterrent, even though there's no reason to deter it. But public perception being what it is, I'm sure they'll have no problem at all. The part that stuns me is how many of us seem to accept it as a natural progression instead of raging in indignation, as we should be.
 

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I've just finished watching a pretty excellent documentary ( Ken Burns: Prohibition) detailing the period in our country's history known as...“Ta-dah!”...Prohibition. Noting undeniable similarities in decades before Prohibition took place fully one hundred years ago, I'm convinced that the same will occur with nicotine. It's only a matter of time.

In this day and age, as back in the day in which industrial production was just getting started in this country, the people wanting to bring it about believe they hold the moral high ground. It will be done to save the family, namely the children. There will be a proliferation of ways in which to obtain it, adulteration of product with no protections, fortunes made by those willing to risk supplying those who will consume the product, and other completely unimagined, unintended consequences. As a nation we went through this very same song and dance when it came to alcohol. Biggest lesson from this period? A nation cannot successfully and effectively legislate morality for the masses. We clearly have not learned from the past. All indications are that we are going to repeat it. It's not a matter of if, but when.

The government, both federal and state, can't survive without the increased tax revenue regulating ALL tobacco products, including vaping, will bring, we assure ourselves today. It will survive, though perhaps not in a form we would want. The same thing was being said by those who drank alcohol, and the breweries, nearly one hundred years ago. That “fact” didn't stand for long. Federal income tax was brought about, and Prohibition passed soon afterward. Governments will always find a way to get money from the masses. No one tax or levy is ever that vital to their cause. We forget that at our peril.

Unfortunately I'm pretty much convinced that no matter how much we fight, how much we speak out, how sincerely and earnestly we strive for reason and freedom for thinking adults who take personal responsibility, there will be a prohibition against products which contain nicotine. Once more a group of people have taken it upon themselves to be the moral equivalent of hall monitor. We're told it's for the good of everyone, that any patriotic American can easily let go of a crutch. It's not needed, it never did anyone any good and has no place in this country, they say. Expect images of a devil-horned Good Saint Nic with a toy bag containing packs of candy flavored e-cigarettes in one hand, and a pitchfork in the other. We've all seen the drill by now, and know that the Antis will not bend, will not compromise, will take no prisoners. Make no mistake, complete prohibition is their goal, and they will accept nothing less.

I'm not advocating that we give up without a whimper. Millions made the mistake of remaining silent back then, and we know the result. Speak out, send emails, let vapers know their freedom is at stake. I'll be there right by your side, trying to reason with the unreasonable ones. Just know while you're working that complete prohibition of nicotine will always be a very real, and currently is, a very probable outcome. It's going to be interesting.

If you get the chance, I encourage you to watch Ken Burns: Prohibition. It's a PBS documentary available for free to those who have Amazon Prime, and possibly available elsewhere. The similarities between what we are facing today and what occurred a hundred years ago will astound you. If nothing else, it should serve as a real wake up call for those who've been repeating to themselves, “It will never happen again.”
 

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Maybe they'll weed out the substandard batteries on the market and we won't have any more thermal meltdown stories in the newspaper.

I think that what they are looking for, as others alluded, is a way to extract more tax money. I can see a week's worth of juice costing as much as a carton of cigarettes at some point on the future. DIY continues to be appealing, but nic prices may get jacked up. Golf courses all over the nation will scream. They use agricultural nicotine by the 5 gallon bucket to make their DIY insect control liquids. Of course, it won't apply to non food grade nic. Does anyone worry that agricultural nic could enter the juice supply due to price and lack of regulation? I hope not. I think most of our suppliers are more honest than that.

This article is typical of e-cigarette nazi types.

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Mothernyx said: If you get the chance, I encourage you to watch Ken Burns: Prohibition. It's a PBS documentary available for free to those who have Amazon Prime, and possibly available elsewhere. The similarities between what we are facing today and what occurred a hundred years ago will astound you. If nothing else, it should serve as a real wake up call for those who've been repeating to themselves, “It will never happen again.”

I'd like to see any e-cigarette legislation bundled with an edict that outlaws any food containing more than 15% fat content to be served in a retail restaurant or sold in stores. It would be much easier to fight. They also want our comfort food. Non-smoking fast food fans would create another OWS to fight that one.

National healthcare demands that we eat healthy and avoid anything that would be "bad" for us, as dictated by those who would rather spend our tax dollars elsewhere, including our healthcare tax dollars. They've become accustomed to re-directing tax dollars to outlets of their choice. When's the last time you recognized tobacco money being spent to educate children on the evils of smoking? That's what it was originally earmarked for.
 

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Perhaps we in the ecig community should start raising money to hire our own lobby firm?

Thoughts?

It's the vendors that need to get their act together .. this industry is still nothing more than a quick cash grab until the next Sham Wow comes along ..
 

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I thought we did… CASAA… no?

The amount of money CASAA has to work with would get you 5 minutes of the Janitor's ear in a Senators office, maybe. Perhaps if we could get all vapers to contribute the equivalent price of a pack of cigarettes a month we'd have talking money but that's not a reality today.
 

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The amount of money CASAA has to work with would get you 5 minutes of the Janitor's ear in a Senators office, maybe. Perhaps if we could get all vapers to contribute the equivalent price of a pack of cigarettes a month we'd have talking money but that's not a reality today.
That's because most vapers aren't us.
We are the minority here- 3-5%. Most use the Walgreen/Walmart cheapy mini e-cigs with cartridges.
 

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I agree rothenbj. It would be nice if more people would support CASAA. As of now there are only 957 members. If half the people here would join/donate, we could make a bigger splash when CASAA confront the ill-informed, misguided leaders of our country.

PS. I donate a small amount equal to a couple packs a month, it's all I can afford, but I think it's worthy organization.
 
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