Older Folks and Vaping Back Porch - Part Seven

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2legsshrt

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For me it's the principle of the thing. I don't want anyone knowing my business. That's why we don't use Icloud either.

I would think that people get pretty used to these things beeing around and say some day you are discussing your finances. Since everything is recored in these things do you really not mind that kind of info in the cloud, especially knowing Amazon's lack of scruples?

Mike I don't think I'm hiding my head in the sand. It's a choice. Just something to think about.
Believe me Bea they know more about you already then you know about yourself. Just the way it is today.
 

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True, but at least on my phone and computers I can run AV and firewalls.

Nope, can't be really secure or private if online, but I can still make choices to minimize as much as possible.
If I was building a bomb or a timetravel machine llike Mike I might worry. There is nothing secret today, not even govt stuff. If someone wants to know something they probably already do. Now I might be a little hesitant about CC#'s if you also posted your pin, something like that but there is so much stuff out there that they aren't worried about a few old folks knowing how to rebuild an atty.
 

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Ice Cream for sure 2 scoops. Might as well have some pie with your ice cream.
Ahh, nothing but the best ice cream. It is from the best ice cream store in the area. We get all of our ice cream and milk from Braum's. It is always fresh because all of the stores are located within a 300 radius of their processing plant in Tuttle, Oklahoma.
 

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Yep the people in his base. Just as well you know as him. Lets all go rake the forest. Doesn't matter that the weather is hotter and dryer then ever Just get the old rake out and rake up the 100s of 1000's of acres of forest. He doesn't even realize that the US govt owns and is responsible for 60% of the forests there.
And what do we do with the tons of rakings from those hundreds of thousands of acres?

Got it. Big bonfire!
 

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Yea but ... I was having this convo with our daughter last night,

Yea I was trying to imagine Miles, Hux and Beckett growing up with Alexa and Siri … like when they are doing home work … instead of reading the chapter to learn the answers at the end … they’ll be able to just ask Alexa/Siri the answers so they’ll can breeze through their homework. As a joke/test I asked Alexa who where the Generals at the Battle of Gettysburg … whoops like that I got the correct answer.

And when they make a micro/stealth version and the kids take it to school during test time and very quietly whisper the questions to the Alexa … all A’s on the test for sure but a very dumb kid at the end of the year.

...and you consider this (not dumbness, which I don't believe to be the case) to be a bad thing?

When my dad was in (Canadian) school, he was taught at least the rudiments of French, Latin, and Greek with optional German, the "times tables" up to 20 times 20 (all 400 combinations, drilled until he could snap off the answer to any of them). A partial generation later and it was Latin and just up to 15 times 15 or 12 times 12. By the time I was in school (in the US) it was down to 10 times 10 (but you had to learn them because "you won't have a calculator with you all the time when you're grown up" - HA HA HA) and a year of my choice of Latin, Spanish, or French. By the time my daughter was in school they taught times tables a bit but calculators were allowed during tests. I don't know what the language requirements were because my daughter chose to take several, including 5 years of French (at university level for the last two) before she finished high school. (After 9 1/2 years at University of Michigan they kicked her out with a degree in Linguistics. I think she just liked going to school.)

My own feeling is that learning to look almost anything up instantly (or how to search online, either with a keyboard or by voice) is a desirable substitute for memorizing a few facts (which will be forgotten as soon as you don't use them every day); learning how to use an online translator (and knowing the limitations) is a desirable substitute for partially learning one or two foreign languages (again, Soon To Be Forgotten), being able to look up any date (and get a list of other important events near that date) is a desirable substitute for learning a few dates (STBF) in whatever history they chose to teach. What needs to be taught is HOW to think and use facts; HOW to use mathematics; HOW to interpret the facts of history; HOW to see a new idea and evaluate it using the scientific method. A good grounding in literature, to be exposed to the wisdom of the human race is more important than a few facts memorized.
 

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You want a good laugh at just how stupid our president is? Take a look at this.


Yep the people in his base. Just as well you know as him. Lets all go rake the forest. Doesn't matter that the weather is hotter and dryer then ever Just get the old rake out and rake up the 100s of 1000's of acres of forest. He doesn't even realize that the US govt owns and is responsible for 60% of the forests there.
:danger::rules:
 

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As far as privacy (online or otherwise) Isaac Asimov said it best (and back in the 1950s, no less) (I paraphrase):
"The battle for privacy is lost. All that can be done now is to impose draconian penalties on those who abuse it."
He went on to point out that if we had been building a good medical database (1950s remember) of health facts we would have known that smoking causes cancer a full half century before we began to suspect it. Same for asbestos. But you can't build a good database of health without knowing who it is about, which is a complete breakdown of privacy. How much better to simply make all this information about people completely available to anyone, and then REALLY punish anyone who abuses that information, including members of the government.
 

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You want a good laugh at just how stupid our president is? Take a look at this.


I'll go along with Bea ...

:danger::offtopic:

What needs to be taught is HOW to think and use facts; HOW to use mathematics; HOW to interpret the facts of history; HOW to see a new idea and evaluate it using the scientific method. A good grounding in literature, to be exposed to the wisdom of the human race is more important than a few facts memorized.

I totally agree. I'm concerned our educational process is actually dumbing down our children more than access to Google, Siri, Alexa, etc. Actually I think it is a good thing to be able to ask the AI assistants questions. Many times we've been having a conversation about something and and no one in the convo knows a particular fact or background about something ... my daughter goes strait to Google and brings up the 'missing' info. And frequently we'll say ... wow, I didn't know that. Well without the AI assistants help we would have continued not knowing that.
 

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Oh my goodness, the second day of leftovers and I am stuffed, again. When will I learn to eat a moderate portion for food? Oh, apple pie, should I top it with Vanilla Ice Cream or Cool Whip?

Oh yummm! I'll take either one - or both!! Have you ever made whipped cream in a food processor? It takes only seconds (don't look away or you'll have butter) and comes out fabulous. You can make it dense enough to pipe and it will hold its shape and also, it doesn't separate and become runny.

...and you consider this (not dumbness, which I don't believe to be the case) to be a bad thing?

When my dad was in (Canadian) school, he was taught at least the rudiments of French, Latin, and Greek with optional German, the "times tables" up to 20 times 20 (all 400 combinations, drilled until he could snap off the answer to any of them). A partial generation later and it was Latin and just up to 15 times 15 or 12 times 12. By the time I was in school (in the US) it was down to 10 times 10 (but you had to learn them because "you won't have a calculator with you all the time when you're grown up" - HA HA HA) and a year of my choice of Latin, Spanish, or French. By the time my daughter was in school they taught times tables a bit but calculators were allowed during tests. I don't know what the language requirements were because my daughter chose to take several, including 5 years of French (at university level for the last two) before she finished high school. (After 9 1/2 years at University of Michigan they kicked her out with a degree in Linguistics. I think she just liked going to school.)

My own feeling is that learning to look almost anything up instantly (or how to search online, either with a keyboard or by voice) is a desirable substitute for memorizing a few facts (which will be forgotten as soon as you don't use them every day); learning how to use an online translator (and knowing the limitations) is a desirable substitute for partially learning one or two foreign languages (again, Soon To Be Forgotten), being able to look up any date (and get a list of other important events near that date) is a desirable substitute for learning a few dates (STBF) in whatever history they chose to teach. What needs to be taught is HOW to think and use facts; HOW to use mathematics; HOW to interpret the facts of history; HOW to see a new idea and evaluate it using the scientific method. A good grounding in literature, to be exposed to the wisdom of the human race is more important than a few facts memorized.

Yep, that's the key. And instilling the desire to learn by looking further and exploring new things. I'm just afraid that simply asking Alexa or Siri will make it too easy to avoid thinking for themselves.
 

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If anyone has any prayers left today would be good. Ginny goes in for an MRI of her brain at 3pm. Praying it is still clear.
This was not meant to be Political, just some insight of what we are dealing with. Sorry if anyone took it that way.
 

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If anyone has any prayers left today would be good. Ginny goes in for an MRI of her brain at 3pm. Praying it is still clear.

This was not meant to be Political, just some insight of what we are dealing with. Sorry if anyone took it that way.

On way way to church, I'll be sure to keep Ginny in my thoughts and prayers.
 
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