Older Folks and Vaping Back Porch - Part Seven

[2legsshrt]

Yesterday and the day before I was enjoying the large amount of snow..it looked so pretty...and appropriate for this time of year....today..bleh..what was i thinking?!

And we're in for even more thru the coming week-end....

All ready have at least 6-8 in.

I guess when you get too old and decrepit to play in it it's just a Bah-Humbug

We've got about 4" but no sign in the near future of it going away. Neighbor came over and used his snowblower on our driveway and side walk. Really nice of him. The grader went by this morning and put a burm in front of it. Yay for snow removal. Supposed to be 4 degrees tonight.

 

[garyoa1]

Yah...I always heard that when you got older, you got wiser

Oh you dew. But 10 minutz later the memories start to fade and... voila! Instant stupid all over again.

 

[2legsshrt]

For the most part, it's true though. During my first few years in the military, it seemed as if I were attempting to single handedly drink the entire world supply of booze. If it weren't for a supervisor who stood up for me during the threat of an Article 15 and discharge, I wouldn't have had that wake up call to get my act together. There are times when I think that raising the majority age to 21 isn't such a bad thing at all.

In addition, we have the crusade of the ANTZ crowd going on about how expensive health care is because of smoking, yet there's nary a peep from anyone over the costs and repercussions of alcohol abuse. The costs of tobacco use pale in comparison when you start looking at the whole picture when dealing with alcohol. The huge difference here being the hypocrisy from those who crusade against tobacco use and at the end of the day, pop the tab on the six pack sitting in their fridge.

Ain't that the truth. I enjoyed going to the EM Club at the end of the day. Next morning not so much. but of course back then smoking was ok for you. And everybody drank.

 

[retired1]

Ain't that the truth. I enjoyed going to the EM Club at the end of the day. Next morning not so much. but of course back then smoking was ok for you. And everybody drank.

It's changing. The military has been crusading against smoking (and in some cases, vaping) for some time now. Not sure if the Commissary still sells smokes as I haven't been on an installation for quite a few years now. The PX/BX quit selling smokes eons ago, and now the tolerance for alcohol abuse is starting to decrease as well. When I retired in 1999, smoking was pretty much prohibited during basic and technical training. Alcohol consumption was also limited upon arrival for your technical school until you reached a certain phase in your training.

Back in the early 80s, base commanders would close the base after a major inspection/evaluation and throw a beer bash for the entire installation. Those days are long gone. And the tendency to look the other way whenever you drank yourself silly, whipped the locals into submission, and destroyed a bar or two has definitely disappeared. Now an incident like that is a one way ticket out of the military. Do not pass go, do not collect $200. Go directly to discharge (usually a Bad Conduct Discharge) and most likely local jail.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not bemoaning the fact that things have changed. If it had been like this while I was first in, I'd definitely had been kicked out and would probably still be drinking myself silly (or be planted 6 foot under).

I still enjoy the occasional bourbon, but long gone are the days of excess. it just ticks me off when the anti-tobacco idjits go on their crusades when there are other abuses that cost millions (if not billions) more.

 

[2legsshrt]

It's changing. The military has been crusading against smoking (and in some cases, vaping) for some time now. Not sure if the Commissary still sells smokes as I haven't been on an installation for quite a few years now. The PX/BX quit selling smokes eons ago, and now the tolerance for alcohol abuse is starting to decrease as well. When I retired in 1999, smoking was pretty much prohibited during basic and technical training. Alcohol consumption was also limited upon arrival for your technical school until you reached a certain phase in your training.

Back in the early 80s, base commanders would close the base after a major inspection/evaluation and throw a beer bash for the entire installation. Those days are long gone. And the tendency to look the other way whenever you drank yourself silly, whipped the locals into submission, and destroyed a bar or two has definitely disappeared. Now an incident like that is a one way ticket out of the military. Do not pass go, do not collect $200. Go directly to discharge (usually a Bad Conduct Discharge) and most likely local jail.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not bemoaning the fact that things have changed. If it had been like this while I was first in, I'd definitely had been kicked out and would probably still be drinking myself silly (or be planted 6 foot under).

I still enjoy the occasional bourbon, but long gone are the days of excess. it just ticks me off when the anti-tobacco idjits go on their crusades when there are other abuses that cost millions (if not billions) more.

Yep when I was stationed in Alaska we were the only permanent party battalion on the base we were populated by TDY troops in the winter performing tests in cold weather and we were also the Northern Warfare Training Center. The absolute worst ones to come there were the Special Forces, Green Berets they would tear up the NCO club when they were there. I heard of some pretty crazy stuff there, don't know cause I wasn't an NCO so I was at the EM but they were a pretty wild bunch. They would spend 8 weeks there and all hell would break loose.

 

[2legsshrt]

I was in the Base Engineers company and we were in charge of all maintenance to the base, we had no real interaction with the many tests that went on, Chemical Warfare, Training in Cold Weather. We just took care of everything. At that time we were the largest base in area and the smallest in Manpower. We heard of all kinds of crazy chemical testing going on out where we had no contact with. In the summer the base was half civilian and half military. Pretty different place. Now they are using it for somekind of a nuclear missile site.

 

[Kenna]

Thinking back on the idiotic things I did at that age, perhaps raising the age of majority to 21 isn't such a bad idea.

On that basis we should raise the voting age to 35. When they are old enough to comprehend RL risk factors.

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[Semiretired]

On that basis we should raise the voting age to 35. When they are old enough to comprehend RL risk factors.

I have met quite a few 35 year old's that have not figured that out yet... Totally depends upon what RL situations they have encountered and survived or just their way of thinking on what is important in RL and what is not... Risk is a very subjective subject...

 

[Iffy]

Risk is a very subjective subject...

... that mainly applies to the immature!

 

[Sterno]

On that basis we should raise the voting age to 35. When they are old enough to comprehend RL risk factors.

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what is RL ...LOL

 

[yiddleboge6]

... that mainly applies to the immature!

And....immature actions or decisions have very little to do with chronological age... some individuals behave in an immature manner their entire lives...

 

[Nermal]

Hey, thanks for noticing!

 

[Iffy]

And....immature actions or decisions have very little to do with chronological age... some individuals behave in an immature manner their entire lives...

Your Honor, I respectfully rest my case!

If one is old enough to serve/fight/die in uniform for our nation, then he/she is old enough to make and hopefully live with their own decisions, whether it be while smoking/vaping/drinking/etc.!!!

Over 1.1 million Americans have died in support of our nation; not counting the wounded and MIAs. Here's a drink to them all!!!

Wring your hands, twiddle your thumbs and wonder where the enemy came from... <heavy sad sigh...>

 

[yiddleboge6]

If one is old enough to serve/fight/die in uniform for our nation, then he/she is old enough to make and hopefully live with their own decisions, whether it be while smoking/vaping/drinking/etc.!!!

That very same argument during the Vietnam war is what brought about the change in the voting age from 21 to 18....and one I agreed with...

 

[Semiretired]

Wring your hands, twiddle your thumbs and wonder where the enemy came from... <heavy sad sigh...>

Ummm, my neighbors backyard... LOL Just a guess...

 

[2legsshrt]

Well I noticed something I had not seen before we went to Mickey D's for a quick burger and they have a sign in their drive thru window no smoking or vaping in your car while at the window. Gimme a break. Even the local news tonight had a blip about the evils of vaping amongst our youth.

 

[MamaTried]

And....immature actions or decisions have very little to do with chronological age... some individuals behave in an immature manner their entire lives...

sheesh...

she nailed damn near all of us

 

[DavidOck]

what is RL ...LOL

Real Life, whatever that is!

 

[Janet H]

In addition, we have the crusade of the ANTZ crowd going on about how expensive health care is because of smoking, yet there's nary a peep from anyone over the costs and repercussions of alcohol abuse. The costs of tobacco use pale in comparison when you start looking at the whole picture when dealing with alcohol. The huge difference here being the hypocrisy from those who crusade against tobacco use and at the end of the day, pop the tab on the six pack sitting in their fridge.

That's because alcoholism is considered a disease and smoking is a choice. No need to investigate further...

 

[retired1]

The costs go way beyond alcoholism.

Tobacco Versus Alcohol: A Modern Double Standard

• The number of fatalities in teenage drunk-driving has declined 37% since 2000 and is down 74% since tracking began in 1982. Going from 4,214 in 1982 to 1,720 in 2000 and 1,180 fatalities in 2009. A record low. There were over 3,000 fewer deaths per year compared to 1982. (yeah and little Mikey rolling his mommies 2008 Mercedes ML350 is a whole lot safer versus dads old Chevrolet Citation. What a novel concept, we have safer vehicles, but wait only 1,180 teenagers unnecessarily died – a record low people, rejoice).
• On average, at least 50% of college students' sexual assaults are associated with alcohol use.
• Of all murders, alcohol was involved in at least 34% of cases.
• Heavy drinking is involved in 60% of violent crimes, 30% of suicides, and 80% of fire and drowning accidents.
• The use of alcohol cost $15 billion (1983) for health care and treatment.
• 2.9% of 1,000 live births have fetal alcohol syndrome.
• Rape - More than 1/2 of rapists had been drinking.
• Child abuse - mothers convicted are 3 times more likely to be alcoholics - fathers 10 times more likely.

How many violent crimes were committed and lives ruined by lighting up?