Older Folks and Vaping Front Porch - Part Four

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DavidOck

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I have a few mechs on the shelf. Which is where they stay. The reason folks got into them was security. If the gov ever outlaws mods... they'll last almost forever since there isn't much that can go wrong with them. And likely easy to repair if there is a problem.
Regulated, on the other hand, can fail. Too many parts to go south. But easier to use, control makes vaping safer and easier. (IMHO) Just takes the hassle out of it all.

Much like my situation, 3 mechs in the vapocalypse box, and several Kick modules as well. For me, absolute last resort, for when all my regulated ones bite the dust. (Although, tbh, with all the price slashing of "low" power - i.e. 75 watts or less! - mods, even if they only last a year each I'm good for, uh, 20 years? :facepalm: )
 

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Bananas foster with menthol isn't bad, ha. rightchoicevapes.com.au if anyone wants to look. It going to look overpriced, but it's Aussie dollars. I'm thinking under 150.00. I've spent so much already, cheaper is ok, but I'd like a reliable unit
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That Innokin Endura I told you about is a regulated mod. It is set at 14 watts you do have a choice of heads. I know they have a 1.2 ohm and a 1.5 ohm. So that is the only thing you can really change. A 1.2 will run a little hotter then the 1.5 but not that much. If your tanks are getting hot I'm sure it is because of subohming. There are lots of places that sell them in Austrailia just to a Google search on who sells the Innokin Endura in Austrailia. The place I gave you the link to sells them for $34.95. The atomizer is similar to the old carto tanks not the same but similar. I really think it would be a good one for you to try.
 

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I now have 3 regulated mods. I probably have 6 mechanical tube mods and a handful of RDAs. Vast majority are FT clones that required a modicum of adjustment or modification. Everything else I've owned over the years has been pif'd or tossed. I still love and use my mechs.

That being said, I have been a "sub-ohm vaper" for several years now. That really was the best way to optimize a mech mod. I've never used a kick or a fuse in my mechs; instead, I relied on knowledge and experience in electronics. I've used DMMs and 4-wire milli-ohm meters to measure my builds. I could tootlepuff or cloud chase with a tube mech.

Fast forward to today. My vape of choice right now is a regulated mod at 40-50W with a ~1Ω single coil. Still produces copious amounts of dense, flavorful vapor, and is way easier and less time consuming than making sure that everything was "right" for a mech.
 

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I don't see government banning vaping devices in the near future. Education is key to making vaping respectable. If you read up on the aerosol byproducts of vaping vs cigarettes, vaping produces by products that are not much different than clean air. They pass virtually all the clean air EPA regulations in the tests I've seen. The nic used in vaping liquids is so free of carcinogens compared to smoking it's almost like non-alcoholic beer vs the real thing.

There's some level of change in a room where vaping occurs, but it's almost negligible and there's no apparent harm involved. Cigarettes are another story entirely.
Study Investigates the Effect of Vaping on Indoor Air Quality
 

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I just got my Dekang shipment from E-Liquid Market in Birmingham, AL. I ordered early Saturday afternoon and it was in my mail box Monday afternoon.

I've been a Hangsen vaper for a long time. I've vaped Dekang in the past and enjoyed it immensely. E-Liquid Market sells 50ml bottles for $10.95. You can't beat the prices on really clean NET juice with nicotine extracted from actual tobacco, not synthetic from some chemical lab.

NET is virtually as safe as synthetic nic.
NET E-Liquids: Is the Flavor Worth the Added Risk?
Correction:
All of the nicotine that any of us has ever used was extracted from actual tobacco. Extraction from tobacco is the only economically feasible way to do it. I don't know if there's any such thing as synthetic nicotine, but if there is, it is not something that any of us have ever used because it would be prohibitively expensive to produce. When you speak of NET, you're talking about non-nicotine components of tobacco.
 

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I don't see government banning vaping devices in the near future. Education is key to making vaping respectable. If you read up on the aerosol byproducts of vaping vs cigarettes, vaping produces by products that are not much different than clean air. They pass virtually all the clean air EPA regulations in the tests I've seen. The nic used in vaping liquids is so free of carcinogens compared to smoking it's almost like non-alcoholic beer vs the real thing.

There's some level of change in a room where vaping occurs, but it's almost negligible and there's no apparent harm involved. Cigarettes are another story entirely.
Study Investigates the Effect of Vaping on Indoor Air Quality
The majority of the gov't is not paying attention to anything that says vaping is ok. Not the research. Not the science. Not the testimonies. Most are so under the influence of BT, BP, & ANTS.that they will purposefully ignore anything that will keep vaping out of the pockets of those & in the hands of Vapers h the current industry as it stands. They will not exactly ban much, but there will be bans, restrictions, & taxes that make them at least as obnoxious to obtain & use as tobacco products. They will try to put everything vaping related under the cloud of smoking & into the pockets of BT, BP, & Gov't.
 

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I didn't know what ohms even were when I bought my first kit ten weeks ago. And I understand resistance only in basic terms. My first device died young of threading issues, I bought all bloody vaporfi backup products after that happened, just in case another went. Realised my tanks get super hot, but too late to return. Takes weeks for shipping from us. Not to mention cost of stocking up.
So if it's not a noticeable difference in throat hit, I wouldn't care, sub ohm or no. My big need is the face to face run through tutorial with someone who knows what they're doing to get an adjustable model.
Ashamed to admit it, but I walk around with the thing in my hand. Probably left over from my smoking days. That was a lot of helpful info, folks. It just hasn't caught on here yet. A few younger ones in the city, but I have not met any other vapers, nor seen it, here on the island. So il take a road trip to see this vendor, and pick something out, and have her show me how to toggle the buttons.
You're right about finding my nicotine level, and simplifying the whole business. Thanks, one f these days it'll sink in and I'll get it.
I carry mine all the time nothing to be ashamed of if it keeps you off the cigs that's all that matters. I know how you feel about not to many people around that vape. Of the few people I know most of them have been gaping longer then me but they come to me for advice because I study a lot and these forums have been very helpful.
 

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Correction:
All of the nicotine that any of us has ever used was extracted from actual tobacco. Extraction from tobacco is the only economically feasible way to do it. I don't know if there's any such thing as synthetic nicotine, but if there is, it is not something that any of us have ever used because it would be prohibitively expensive to produce. When you speak of NET, you're talking about non-nicotine components of tobacco.


Thanks for the explanation. Some juice manufacturers like Dekang and Hangsen boast of their high tech methods of naturally extracting tobacco flavors used in their juices. Granted, no one talks about synthetic nicotine in juice. I searched and found a suitable explanation. Synthetic nicotine is for bug spray and isn't used in e-liquid production. It's not safe for human consumption.

Synthetic vs Tobacco Derived Nicotine
You might have wondered where the nicotine for e liquid comes from since numerous brands are tobacco-free and don’t contain any tobacco-related extracts. Here is what some members of the industry have to say.

What is Synthetic Nicotine?

As far as chemists, e liquid manufacturers, and other professionals are concerned, there is no such thing as a “good” synthetic alternative to nicotine for use in e liquids at this time. Synthetic blends exist. Their purpose, however, is for use as bug spray. Ingredients used to make it are not suitable for human consumption and it’s more expensive to manufacture nicotine rather than extracting it from natural sources anyway.
 
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The majority of the gov't is not paying attention to anything that says vaping is ok. Not the research. Not the science. Not the testimonies. Most are so under the influence of BT, BP, & ANTS.that they will purposefully ignore anything that will keep vaping out of the pockets of those & in the hands of Vapers h the current industry as it stands. They will not exactly ban much, but there will be bans, restrictions, & taxes that make them at least as obnoxious to obtain & use as tobacco products. They will try to put everything vaping related under the cloud of smoking & into the pockets of BT, BP, & Gov't.

Exactly! Such bans and taxes are already in place in some States. Businesses are closing due to draconian regs and associated costs.

Just have a quick look here Legislation News to get an idea of what's happening, and what other stuff they're trying to do to the industry. Be prepared, be active.
 

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    Exactly! Such bans and taxes are already in place in some States. Businesses are closing due to draconian regs and associated costs.

    Just have a quick look here Legislation News to get an idea of what's happening, and what other stuff they're trying to do to the industry. Be prepared, be active.
    Yep, July 1 most Indiana stores will stop selling pretty much all juice, juice manufacturers in Indiana will be out of business, and we won't even legally be able to buy it online. Theoretically what I just said isn't quite accurate, properly licensed companies will still be able to make juice and sell it in Indiana, but the way the law was written, the requirements for being licensed are so strict that most companies have said they aren't going to mess with it.
     

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    I don't see government banning vaping devices in the near future. Education is key to making vaping respectable. If you read up on the aerosol byproducts of vaping vs cigarettes, vaping produces by products that are not much different than clean air. They pass virtually all the clean air EPA regulations in the tests I've seen. The nic used in vaping liquids is so free of carcinogens compared to smoking it's almost like non-alcoholic beer vs the real thing.

    There's some level of change in a room where vaping occurs, but it's almost negligible and there's no apparent harm involved. Cigarettes are another story entirely.
    Study Investigates the Effect of Vaping on Indoor Air Quality
    Yes but you a forgetting one very important part of vaping and government. They are not getting any money from it. They need to get at least as much as the manufacturers and vendors combined. Health be damned if they don't get their cut they will do something about it.
     

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    What is the story on that bill that was supposed to be voted on I believe the day before yesterday. I wrote in but didn't get the whole story of what it was all about. I know it was only for a few states mine being one and I knew it wasn't good when there was a call to action, which I took.
     

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    What is the story on that bill that was supposed to be voted on I believe the day before yesterday. I wrote in but didn't get the whole story of what it was all about. I know it was only for a few states mine being one and I knew it wasn't good when there was a call to action, which I took.
    I was an amendment to an appropriations bill, the reason certain states were singled out was because their reps were the ones that had the potential to get this passed in committee. The gist of it is that when/if the FDA puts their proposed regulations into place, anything that wasn't on the market prior to the grandfather date would have to be pulled, and go through an expensive and very difficult process to be approved. The current grandfather date is 2007 which will basically kill the entire vaping industry. The amendment on this particular bill changes the grandfather date to after the regulations take effect.
    Previous attempts have been made to change the grandfather date and have failed, which is why this was pushed through as an amendment to an unrelated bill, a practice I normally despise but in this case I'm overlooking. The bill was passed in committee with the amendment (good news) but still has to be passed by congress as a whole. (possibly bad news)
     

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    @Kenna I am glad I don't have a spell checker if something I write is misspelled it is on me. Seems like that spellchecker is a hassle. I do have one on my phone but it is part of Swift Key which is excellent because it just brings up the words and if you want to use the word because it is what you meant you can or you can just leave it.
     

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    I was an amendment to an appropriations bill, the reason certain states were singled out was because their reps were the ones that had the potential to get this passed in committee. The gist of it is that when/if the FDA puts their proposed regulations into place, anything that wasn't on the market prior to the grandfather date would have to be pulled, and go through an expensive and very difficult process to be approved. The current grandfather date is 2007 which will basically kill the entire vaping industry. The amendment on this particular bill changes the grandfather date to after the regulations take effect.
    Previous attempts have been made to change the grandfather date and have failed, which is why this was pushed through as an amendment to an unrelated bill, a practice I normally despise but in this case I'm overlooking. The bill was passed in committee with the amendment (good news) but still has to be passed by congress as a whole. (possibly bad news)
    OK thanks, I kind of thought that was what it was about by the little bit of info that was put out with the call to action. I didn't start vaping till 09 and there was really nothing then what was around was poor at best. I guess just keep writing those letters but they don't seem to do much. I noticed when I contacted my politicians on other actions I would get a form letter back and the ones that were against vaping just said why they were against it and weren't changing their mindlessness. I had one congresswoman that was on our side for the right reasons, who I will definately vote for the other one just played the we have to save the children card.
     

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    OK thanks, I kind of thought that was what it was about by the little bit of info that was put out with the call to action. I didn't start vaping till 09 and there was really nothing then what was around was poor at best. I guess just keep writing those letters but they don't seem to do much. I noticed when I contacted my politicians on other actions I would get a form letter back and the ones that were against vaping just said why they were against it and weren't changing their mindlessness. I had one congresswoman that was on our side for the right reasons, who I will definately vote for the other one just played the we have to save the children card.
    Yeah, craziness abounds. Not that I condone teens vaping, but the facts are that teen smoking rates have dropped dramatically even though teen vaping rates are rising. So from a "think of the children" perspective, shouldn't they be happy?
     

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    Yes but you a forgetting one very important part of vaping and government. They are not getting any money from it. They need to get at least as much as the manufacturers and vendors combined. Health be damned if they don't get their cut they will do something about it.

    They aren't ... yet ... but as smoking ceases and vaping increases I'm betting that taxes on vaping will help them to some extent. They surely don't want the tobacco companies to decline to a point where the tobacco settlement money dries up. You can't get blood from a turnip.

    There's always DIY for juice. That, and the stash of mods we all have stocked up before the ban. Seriously, eventually the master agreement will run out and the states will look elsewhere for contributions. They've set a precedent and now they are hooked on the private assistance payments from BT.
     
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