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Please, don't vape where you can't smoke
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Why not? I just did. I asked permision from one of the waiters at a restaurant, he said he wasn't sure and asked the boss. Her response was "No smoke right? Ya, I guess it's OK, I'll have to look into it. Hey...did you see Katharine Heigl on Letterman? She had one." I replied "I know, that is the same one I'm using." I just happen to be using the SS PitBull Beta test model at the time, so that was cool. Waiter asked me more about it and I handed him an ECF card. All was well. None of the paitrons seemed to notice or care, and it was crouded in there. I just kinda sat in the back and waited for my Falafel to go. I didn't bother to stealth vape, but I also didn't bother to put out huge clouds. Just enjoyed my GP VG Blueberry 24mg. Yum!
I am the exact opposite I HAVE to care what others think. Thats the only way to make the world a better place.
I vape at home and in my car, thats bout it.
I have to say, with the two "camps" of "FU, I'll vape where I want to!" and "go away from people and hide it from the uneducated" - while I understand the both positions, and even agree with many points that either 'side' makes, I find myself firmly in the middle. I do think that a LARGE part of the 'OMG SOMEONE IS SMOKING IN THE BAR/RESTAURANT' problem is white e-cigs with red LEDs. My little brother has one (I started him on it), and even if we are in the same establishment, he will get asked about it by the manager about 5x more than I do (we both have 510s, but mine is black w/ blue LED). I get questions too, but people immediately assume it's NOT an analog, because of the colour. On the other hand, if I'm in an establishment where I'm uncertain of the reaction, I don't *stealth* vape, but I'm a little more circumspect about it (no huge clouds, etc). This usually leads to the owner/manager asking me about it, and usually saying something along the lines of "Wow, that's really neat (and if they're a smoker, where can I get one)." Once a figure of authority (bartender, manager, or whomever) has blessed off on it, so to speak, then I don't bother trying to be circumspect about it, and enjoy my smoke rings and whatnot. This approach has resulted in me overhearing the bartender at the other end of the bar telling customers , "No, that's not actually a cigarette, don't worry."
This approach also has the advantage, during a night out drinking, of allowing me to be circumspect when the night is beginning, i.e: while relatively sober, and then I get to go all out once I start to get drunk. This is good, because I like to enjoy my vaping when I drink, and roll it around with big clouds, etc. Well, as big as the clouds get from a stock 510, at any rate
[EDIT] Oh yeah - this approach may not work well when in a restaurant, but then I tend not to stick around in a restaurant after I have eaten. Also, another way to get a bartender to pay attention to the fact that you are not smoking is to ask for "<whatever you're drinking> and an empty shot glass," and then use the shot glass for your ecig (I dislike laying them flat on a bar or table).
This approach also has the advantage, during a night out drinking, of allowing me to be circumspect when the night is beginning, i.e: while relatively sober, and then I get to go all out once I start to get drunk. This is good, because I like to enjoy my vaping when I drink, and roll it around with big clouds, etc. Well, as big as the clouds get from a stock 510, at any rate
[EDIT] Oh yeah - this approach may not work well when in a restaurant, but then I tend not to stick around in a restaurant after I have eaten. Also, another way to get a bartender to pay attention to the fact that you are not smoking is to ask for "<whatever you're drinking> and an empty shot glass," and then use the shot glass for your ecig (I dislike laying them flat on a bar or table).
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I truely agree with most of U.
I vaping in the Yellow Box which is Consider the Smoker Zone in Singapore Army Camp
And most of the time when i vape in malls, i would have to go where the smokers goes, Sometime i think i vape in the Toliet is better as Singapore Smokers mostly smoke Tobacco and i getting double Attack by the 2nd hand Smoke they giving out. LOL
But still i love the Vaping even when sitting down in public Toilet sometimes LOL.
Of cos vaping while on the goes is not much of the issue but still some Singaporean think that i am Alien. lol
I vaping in the Yellow Box which is Consider the Smoker Zone in Singapore Army Camp
And most of the time when i vape in malls, i would have to go where the smokers goes, Sometime i think i vape in the Toliet is better as Singapore Smokers mostly smoke Tobacco and i getting double Attack by the 2nd hand Smoke they giving out. LOL
But still i love the Vaping even when sitting down in public Toilet sometimes LOL.
Of cos vaping while on the goes is not much of the issue but still some Singaporean think that i am Alien. lol
I agree that you should vape in smoking places, but really only on the basis of converting others from analogs. I also think that smoking in public accommodations should be done stealthily or not at all mostly (bars are a good exception in most cases young crowds tend to be cool as long as it doesn't look like a cigarette, but check with management anyways). Now, as for places that are truly public though, I will vape away.
Gosh I'm sorry. I have chosen NOT to smoke anymore please don't put me in a place where I would be forced to inhale second-hand smoke and the third-hand stuff that stays on my clothes even when I'm just near smokers. I have chosen NOT to pollute my lungs in this way. DO NOT MAKE ME DO SO
I guess, if your friend are Smoking, try standing 10m away. That is a Safe distance to u. But do shout at them that u are on the safe side.
I vaped on a city bus and everyone was asking where they could get one, the security guard for the bus had to call in to check it's legality.... In "Sin City" a lot of whats taboo everywhere else is normal here... I love this freaky town... lol
Again standing with smokers would be MY choice.... it is NOT however fair for someone to MAKE me stand or sit with smokers or not.
I guess the biggest hurdle for me as a vaper is finding my 'place' in society now. My hubby will not smoke in his office, even when he is alone, which I believe is really a reaction from years of being a smoker. I have the same reaction. I would rather stand upwind of the smokers now, but not necessarily be IN the smoking section! As for restaurants I don't need to smoke in them. Bars are not an issue as we rarely if ever go to them. I do stealth vape at work, and when that is not possible, step outside out of respect for my employers, even though one of them smokes in the home. I am not ready to push the issue on vaping in areas that do not normally accept smokers, but I still feel funny about having to be lumped into the 'smoking section'. It is an odd situation.
Astute, that.
To a larger extent than any of us like and not all of us will admit, our place as a subculture is decided by the whims and prejudices of the larger culture, and they've yet to make up their mind. Some people I know are congratulatory that I've given up smoking; others can't be broken from the attitude that I haven't, not legitimately.
One person I work with mistook the Cinnamint aroma in my office as cinnamon air-freshener. Another refuses to let me vape in his car--looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, duck; looks like smoke, looks like smoking, smoking.
IMO, doesn't it make sense to play it somewhere in the middle? We SHOULD NOT be thrown back into the smoking areas! If we, ourselves, act like it's dangerous we give the smoking Nazis a reason to see it as such. BUT, we should also be very careful and considerate not to push it in certain places. Try to think like a non-smoker. Where would it bother them most and where would they be more apt to respond to being educated? Around their kids will not be acceptable at first! So, not at schools, restaurants, or in places that families are apt to worry about their children...they will certainly not want to listen if their thoughts are about their children's safety! In bars-yes! In public places where you are not doing it in front of children-yes!
I, as a parent, would feel this way about anything new that appears to be similar to something known to be harmful, wouldn't you? We have done our homework, they have not. So, take the opportunity to educate in places where the parent will not be forced to protect them. But sticking to the smoking areas is the worst thing we could do! We need to give vaping an image not associated with smoking!
I, as a parent, would feel this way about anything new that appears to be similar to something known to be harmful, wouldn't you? We have done our homework, they have not. So, take the opportunity to educate in places where the parent will not be forced to protect them. But sticking to the smoking areas is the worst thing we could do! We need to give vaping an image not associated with smoking!
Hey, i Vape in My Car, so if u want, u can always vape in my Car. i will on the Air-Con for you as well. you know Singapore is always so Hot all year Round. LoL.
Well If u in Singapore, Do not Vape in Office, Shop, Mall, Garden, Children Playground or Coffee Shop. always go to Smoking Area or Some Coffee house have Desinated Smoking Zone for People enojoying the Coffee with Smoke. Well i think i just have to Vape in the Smoking Zone for now.
i dunno if a friend or acquaintance of mine was going to b that stupid, i'd tell him "no thanks, i'll find a ride from an intelligent person"
the more we pander to these types the worse it's going to be for us. I'm going to stand up for my rights, those that don't want to don't deserve rights anyway. It's OUR responsibility for our liberty, not anyone else's. it's not a gift, it's a responsibility. if we as a group let others take away our rights and liberties, then we didn't deserve to have them anyway.
if people have the right to wear enough perfume or cologne that u can smell them half a block away then i certainly have the right to vape wherever they can go.
And that's what I'd do too, it's your right to make that decision just as it is his in not wanting you to vape in his car
My public policy:
My office -- all day long in my actual office, in meetings only to indicate that a meeting has gone on too long.
Dark places where smoking is not allowed (movie theatres etc) -- I use the Blu cigs with black batteries.
Public transit -- I bike everywhere, haven't tried this yet, but I will definitely be atomizing on the subway if I ever take one again. More people will want to buy them than will complain.
Bars -- I don't drink much but I will definitely be doing this. In fact, are there any good programmers on the board here that can write a good screen simulation of a hookah and attach six USB bypass cables to a computer screwed down to a table? My friends and I are planning to occupy our other friend's bar with electronic cigarettes one day soon.
Restaurants -- discretely. If someone complains, I jam the "lit" end in my face and say "not a real cigarette!!!" and if the maitre d' comes over, then I'll take it outside.
Street -- I love it! I can't wait ill people come over to try to bum a smoke!
Airplane -- haven't done it yet. Does anyone know if you can take an e-cig through security? I'm planning on fedexing my kit to my destination if I have to go anywhere, If I were the TSA I wouldn't let them through.
Place of worship -- not a chance.
My office -- all day long in my actual office, in meetings only to indicate that a meeting has gone on too long.
Dark places where smoking is not allowed (movie theatres etc) -- I use the Blu cigs with black batteries.
Public transit -- I bike everywhere, haven't tried this yet, but I will definitely be atomizing on the subway if I ever take one again. More people will want to buy them than will complain.
Bars -- I don't drink much but I will definitely be doing this. In fact, are there any good programmers on the board here that can write a good screen simulation of a hookah and attach six USB bypass cables to a computer screwed down to a table? My friends and I are planning to occupy our other friend's bar with electronic cigarettes one day soon.
Restaurants -- discretely. If someone complains, I jam the "lit" end in my face and say "not a real cigarette!!!" and if the maitre d' comes over, then I'll take it outside.
Street -- I love it! I can't wait ill people come over to try to bum a smoke!
Airplane -- haven't done it yet. Does anyone know if you can take an e-cig through security? I'm planning on fedexing my kit to my destination if I have to go anywhere, If I were the TSA I wouldn't let them through.
Place of worship -- not a chance.
You'll need one of these: eHookah | Electronic Hookah | The Best eHookah
I don't see an issue with taking a 510 or the like with you (as long as you don't attempt to vape en route--or be prepared to take an air marshall's 9mm slug). Some of the more exotic battery mods might be problematic; by the time you've explained the thing to humorless TSA agents, you might not only have missed your flight but entered infamy alongside the Shoe Bomber as the E-Cigarette bomber.
I can tell you from experience that that's pretty cool. Have you noticed the explosion in the last decade of the number of cigarette bummers? It's very satisfying to launch into a long-winded, obnoxious, mall-kiosk style e-cig sales pitch with these guys, just to see their eyes glaze over.
No fooling -- there's really an e-hookah??? I gotta check that out! Oh -- it's a physical device; I was just thinking of a picture of one and software that could read when the USB port was pushing current and make the hookah picture react.
About the bummers, yeah, smokes are $12 a pack here, I can't go anywhere without someone asking for a smoke, and I would never turn down a fellow smoker who had to ask to bum one.
About the bummers, yeah, smokes are $12 a pack here, I can't go anywhere without someone asking for a smoke, and I would never turn down a fellow smoker who had to ask to bum one.
Thank you LowThudd
That is my feeling EXACTLY!
Don't be obnoxious about it (blow vap in people face, etc.), but don't hide it, either!
Maybe it has something to do with where we live?
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