A fad color and LED would help. Black w/blue LED.
It'll take a while but we do have educate the uneducated.
It'll take a while but we do have educate the uneducated.
Please, don't vape where you can't smoke
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Problem is a lot of people aren't going to want to bother to be educated. Non-addicts DO NOT undertand and former smokers can be the worst. In their minds they did so if you can't / won't you're weak.
I have to say if I quit cold turkey and killed myself with withdrawl I'd be REALLY JEALOUS of vapers.
"vape if 'em if you got 'em"
I totally don't agree! When I go to a resturant that is non-smoking, I show the server and if necessary, the manager my PV, explain what it is and that it produces water vapor, not smoke. If they say no, then I don't vape in the resturant. But to automatically act and state through your actions that vaping is just the same as smoking, and that is what you are doing, then vaping WILL NEVER be accepted as a safe alternative to smoking. If you want vaping and smoking to be considered equally bad, then act like it is equally bad.
Actions speak louder than words, plain and simple. If everyone who vapes follows your example, then vaping should rightfully be viewed as just as bad as smoking. That is what your actions are stating. The fact that you want people to think you are smoking and you believe vapers should be segregated into back rooms or outside, is why vaping may never be accepted as a safe alternative. I'm sorry, but your actions (not you personally) are part of the problem, not part of the solution. Vapers need to push for the acceptance of vaping as a safe alternative but do it in a respectful, educated manner.
Newsflash: you're inhaling other peoples' "vapor" (i.e. breath) all the time, whether you like it or not. As for the nicotine, it's absorbed by the lungs of the vaper almost 100%, so you're not inhaling any but the tiniest trace amount. The fact that it's a habit and an addiction to nicotine has nothing to do with anything. There are a lot of things I don't like, like people with heavy perfume, people who smell bad, etc., but I don't expect the whole world to accomodate me. I do agree, however, that people shouldn't be brazenly vaping in public -- for now, anyway.
NJ, being run by crooks and douchebags, has made it just as illegal to vape indoors as it is to smoke indoors. It's a $250 fine the first time, and it goes up from there. Not to say you can't still get away with it, but you have to be discrete. Link (remove spaces): www .nj.com/news/index.ssf/2010/01/nj_put_limits_on_sale_of_eletr. html
Speaking of discrete, has anybody tried alternatives to PG and VG that don't produce visible vapor?
Speaking of discrete, has anybody tried alternatives to PG and VG that don't produce visible vapor?
I agree with the OP. At least do it out of respect for others. My Supervisor at work said he does not care if i discreetly vape at work. But I do not because one , I do not want to introduce drama. And two because im am trying to introduce this as the positive alternative to smoking it is.
I go outside just like any other smoker and I do my thing. I get questions and I pass out the Business cards I get from the Vendors I purchase from. People are skeptical and if the first thing you do as a vaper is Piss them off they will dismiss us.
I go outside just like any other smoker and I do my thing. I get questions and I pass out the Business cards I get from the Vendors I purchase from. People are skeptical and if the first thing you do as a vaper is Piss them off they will dismiss us.
Same here
No kidding, i DID have to work to switch completly from analogs to PV and it was for health reasons, i sure wont go dance around in the middle of the smoker crowd at the door and expose myself to second hand smoke -_-
Basically ill vape where i want in a subtil manner, if im asked to stop because people complain, i will without any fuss but until then...
I actually smoke primarily in places where smoking isn't allowed, but only after verifying it with a manager. If the manager gives me a go, I don't worry about it. I have yet to get a negative reaction while out at a restaurant or a bar or something.
I have what I think is a better idea. Don't spend your money in a place that doesn't allow you to vape. If you hide in a corner and simply accept unreasonable restrictions, then those restrictions will increase. Support those places which support your freedoms by giving them your business. Make sure you tell the people who have imposed this rule why you will no longer spend your money there.
The only place that has refused to allow me to vape is a restaurant/bar that I used to frequent. Their reasoning was that it looked like smoking, even though I had a note from the Health Department that said it did not violate the smoking ban. I no longer go to that place.
Generally speaking, when a person asks me not to vape around them they are demonstrating their ignorance or lack of education regarding what vaping is.
At that point I can either be inconvenienced and allow them to remain ill-informed.... or take it as an opportunity to educate them. I invariably go with the latter.
It's an uphill battle teaching "the world" about PV's. Without the help of mass media... we probably have to do it one person at a time.
At that point I can either be inconvenienced and allow them to remain ill-informed.... or take it as an opportunity to educate them. I invariably go with the latter.
It's an uphill battle teaching "the world" about PV's. Without the help of mass media... we probably have to do it one person at a time.
I use my PV in many non-smoking places. The bars, restaurants, the bowling alley, the movie theater. No one cares at all. They all say they see many people using them. I don't usually use it at the grocery store, just because I think I can wait till I get out of there, but any place that I am at more than 30min I use it and always get good responses or no response at all.
Oh yeah, I don't use it at the college I go to either. Just seems like it would be too much of a distraction and just doesn't seem right. During breaks I go in the bathroom stall.
Oh yeah, I don't use it at the college I go to either. Just seems like it would be too much of a distraction and just doesn't seem right. During breaks I go in the bathroom stall.
I vape everywhere. If i'm told to stop (which has never happened) then I will out of respect for the business who I am patronizing. Private property owners have rights, and if its vaping or being to loud, they have the right to eject me if they do not like my actions.
However in public, on the street, there is no business owner, and ecigs are not analogs. No law can stop me.
However in public, on the street, there is no business owner, and ecigs are not analogs. No law can stop me.
I can understand being told no if it was a family restaurant with a lot of people in it. Some people might not understand and think you are smoking and it may be a lot to deal with for the people working there. At a bar, I don't see why there would be a problem.
This line really puts it into perspective. If I ever vape in a place you can't smoke, I do it stealthily. Blowing out a hookah sized plume of vapor tends to freak people out, so I just hold it in for a sec. Boom, no smell, no plume of vapor, no one cares.
I really sort of have fun being able to vape in most places, just because I LOVE teaching people about it. I'll take mine apart, show each piece, tell them what it does, how it works... I love it. And everyone I've explained it to is really cool about it and find it fascinating.
Those ".... weeds -- waltz[ing] up and down the mall vaping" are introducing the public to the concept of vaping, almost certainly with the permission and approval of the mall owner/operator, in an environment where smoking is probably forbidden.
If I were to find myself in such a situation I would whip out my trusty 401 and join the ".... weeds", and resist the inclination to shout out to my fellow patrons that they could find a much better & cheaper e-cig (than SE) by going home and doing their shopping on the internet.
Vapers and e-cigs need this type of exposure - thank you SE (& .... weeds)
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When we were at Home Depot, my wife and I walked through an eye-watering cloud of SBD that an old duffer had apparently passed as he shuffled by. I told my wife that I'd think HD would much prefer that I vaped in there rather than farting.
I do vape in my office at work, and everyone has been very supportive. That is an environment where I have a good opportunity to explain it to people, and I want them to be comfortable with the idea.
Some good points have been brought up here - interesting thread!
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