Only do it around smokers - in smoking areas only - never where smoking isn't allowed as well: And be prepared for vaping to be seen as smoking and dealt with as such legislatively. See, the argument works both ways. Those of you who say we should be discreet and ONLY vape where smoking is allowed - it could be said YOU are seriously damaging our efforts by putting vaping in the same realm as smoking. Just as you say our public use of it wherever we want is damaging our efforts. Both sides have valid points, and both sides can be said to be harming the general effort. Personally, I fall on the side of doing it anywhere to separate it from smoking in the minds of as many as possible and taking the time to educate them about the difference and absolute absence of harm to them. I just can't abide with slinking off to a smoking only area so as not to offend or annoy. If I'm going to do that, then I may as well just smoke.
Please, don't vape where you can't smoke
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I have never had any problems or negative reactions or attention when out in public vaping. I think that if you are sensitive to those around you there will be no problems. I sometimes will let the manager know what I am doing before hand and that usually solves the problem before there is one..If anyone around me is staring at me while I am even stealth vaping..I just announce to the people around me what I am doing. I dont tell people it is an E-cig I let them know it is a PV. Everyone so far has been very supportive and asks a million and one questions and I think that is a good thing. I give them the websites I use and the info on this forum. I love informing as many people as possible about this but I do so in a responsible manner. I have been through airport security about 10 times with my xhaler and even the security was nothing but supportive and polite about it! Just use your brains and respect the people around you then it will be easier for people to respect our vaping community! Happy vaping!
The only problem with vaping in smoking areas is that we are exposing ourselves to the second hand smoke that can harm us, which is the number one reason most of us started vaping. I vape outdoors, in my car but keep it discreet. I don't vape indoors except at home. Even as a vaporer I wouldn't like if someone was vaping while I was eating inside a restaurant, but maybe it's just me. I avoid any areas with children in a close vicinity.
i'm with you...i still go outside to vape...
i figure it this way - we're sort of a new subculture and as you said, we are a rare breed to spot in the wild - so I want people's first impression of vaping to be a positive one...
sure we could sit in a restaurant and say, "Who Cares and just do it. But it freaks people out." And for people who hate smokers, I think that's only going to align us with smokers in their minds...
so i'm in your camp - don't vape where you can't smoke....
i figure it this way - we're sort of a new subculture and as you said, we are a rare breed to spot in the wild - so I want people's first impression of vaping to be a positive one...
sure we could sit in a restaurant and say, "Who Cares and just do it. But it freaks people out." And for people who hate smokers, I think that's only going to align us with smokers in their minds...
so i'm in your camp - don't vape where you can't smoke....
I like the ask first and if it doesn't work, follow the rules second thing. if it's allowed I do it. If it's not then I go on with my business... or stealth vape if possible lol
Got news for ya - for those absolute hate smokers and all they are types of people, we're in the same camp no matter WHAT we do in their minds. Walk 2 blocks away, around the corner, and behind a dumpster, and that smoker-hating idiot is still going to align you with smokers, period, because what you're doing looks like smoking to them. A positive first impression of vaping is exactly what DirtyButts said above - do it wherever ya can, and be willing to answer questions and educate. I agree it's polite of course to ask the business owner first (and I've found they nearly always have no problem with it), and have at it. The more we do it wherever we can, and the more people understand it does no harm to them and is a great compromise as well as a great tool, the more it will become accepted and these legislative assaults can hopefully end.
I think it's important to for us to accept that vaping is, and will stay in the "realm of smoking", as far as non-smokers/non-vapers are concerned. To a non-smoking onlooker, a person exhaling white, fluffy, billowing plumes of vapor into the air will be thought of as a smoker, and no amount of information will really change that distinction. Knowing this, and realizing that about 80% of American adults are non-smokers (sorry, I don't have info on the smoking rate in other locales.) I think it's unrealistic to expect vapers to forever escape the public restrictions of analog smokers. I think of this as a minor inconvenience and a matter of common courtesy. I just don't vape where I couldn't smoke. If I were a non-smoker/vapor, I would be offended by some stranger smoking, or vaping, or throwing white chalk dust into the air that I'm breathing, and I would be downright hostile if that person were vaping next to me and my son at the pediatrician's office. What concerns me more is the possibility that e-cigs could be banned outright!! That scares me!! I think we need to use some discretion and be a little diplomatic so we don't villainize vapers as a group, and ultimately hurt our cause.
I don't think we are really talking about the opinions of smokers vs. non smokers. It's an issue of the open minded vs. closed minded. The majority of the vaping community is respectful of others and abide by our common sense. No matter where you go there will be someone offended by something, be it the perfume you wear, the style of your hair, etc. As long as I'm legal, have an establishment's permission and am respectful then the problem is in the hands of the offended one 
I personally am offended by drunks, this is my opinion and problem...so I don't go to bars...that's just me.
I personally am offended by drunks, this is my opinion and problem...so I don't go to bars...that's just me.
I also use discretion in spite of what I say here, to some degree. For example, I wouldn't vape in a pediatrician's office, a church, a library, etc. I am mainly referring to places such as restaurants and bars. I felt it an intrusion of government to ban smoking in such places. It should be up to the business owner to allow it, not allow it, and provide separate areas. I even understood when they first did by law require separate areas, though most owners were already doing that anyway. If you don't like smoking, then go to a restaurant that doesn't allow it. If an owner feels he's losing business by allowing, or by NOT allowing it, then he/she should be able to adjust. Those are the types of places where I "take a stand" so to speak.
In NYC, there is no smoking anywhere in any restaurant, bar or workplace. You can't smoke at a concert, a ballgame, most parks, or in any public building, including hotels (unless you have a designated smoking room). A beach ban is in the works now. The only exception I know of is a "cigar lounge" where you can buy and smoke cigars, but not cigarettes...go figure! If I seem insensitive about the vaping restriction issue, it's only because I'm so used to having the nonsmokers boot on my neck, that I don't even notice it anymore! I don't mean to minimize anyone else's feelings on this. I'm curious, now, about the current smoking restrictions in other cities and towns, and how they affect people. I think I'll start a thread and see what comes of it.
I have vaped, and will continue to vape, everywhere.
The closest I've had to negative reactions are:
1) a gas station employee who playfully gives me a hard time every time I walk in vaping (he tells me I can't smoke in here), but he's even told other customers in line what I was doing and (if they were buying cigs) that they should ask me more about it. When I don't have it he asks me where 'my thing' is at and why I don't have it.
2) Meeting my local supplier, at a bar he frequently uses as a meet place for local buyers, he had my credit card and there were 2-3 bottles of ejuice sitting out. The owner came over and asked what we were doing and told us we had to put the juice up because it looked like we were dealing drugs.
I used to ask at restaurants, but rarely do anymore. If anybody asks me to stop, or tells me there is no smoking, I explain it's a personal inhaler, similar to what asthmatics use, that delivers nicotine to me and water vapor into the air. A business owner/manager does have every right to ask me to leave, for any reason, anytime they choose, whether I'm vaping or being loud or sitting there minding my own business and they just don't like the way I look. That is their right, if they don't want me as a customer. If an owner/manager ever asked me to stop after I explained what it was, I would then leave instead (assuming I'm not in the middle of food I've already paid for), explaining on my way out (and probably very loudly) how upset I was, how the vaping community is growing, and that I will be giving them negative reviews anywhere/everywhere I can find to post them.
Most people I've met were aware of it from the radio ads and mall kiosks and such and are just more curious about how it works (both mechanically and as a smoking cessation device). Even most militant anti-smokers I've run into are curious about it (some happy to see another long-time smoker quit, makes them feel like their movement made a difference), and many have friends or relatives they would like to give a safer option.
The closest I've had to negative reactions are:
1) a gas station employee who playfully gives me a hard time every time I walk in vaping (he tells me I can't smoke in here), but he's even told other customers in line what I was doing and (if they were buying cigs) that they should ask me more about it. When I don't have it he asks me where 'my thing' is at and why I don't have it.
2) Meeting my local supplier, at a bar he frequently uses as a meet place for local buyers, he had my credit card and there were 2-3 bottles of ejuice sitting out. The owner came over and asked what we were doing and told us we had to put the juice up because it looked like we were dealing drugs.
I used to ask at restaurants, but rarely do anymore. If anybody asks me to stop, or tells me there is no smoking, I explain it's a personal inhaler, similar to what asthmatics use, that delivers nicotine to me and water vapor into the air. A business owner/manager does have every right to ask me to leave, for any reason, anytime they choose, whether I'm vaping or being loud or sitting there minding my own business and they just don't like the way I look. That is their right, if they don't want me as a customer. If an owner/manager ever asked me to stop after I explained what it was, I would then leave instead (assuming I'm not in the middle of food I've already paid for), explaining on my way out (and probably very loudly) how upset I was, how the vaping community is growing, and that I will be giving them negative reviews anywhere/everywhere I can find to post them.
Most people I've met were aware of it from the radio ads and mall kiosks and such and are just more curious about how it works (both mechanically and as a smoking cessation device). Even most militant anti-smokers I've run into are curious about it (some happy to see another long-time smoker quit, makes them feel like their movement made a difference), and many have friends or relatives they would like to give a safer option.
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I haven't really been anywhere public yet, but when I do I don't want
to vape where you can't smoke. I do vape in my car and I'm scared that
people will think the same as rosesense said. I think I probably would if
I didn't know about ecigs. lol I live in a hick town, and I really don't need
the police called on me for smoking a crack pipe! hahaha That would be
my luck.
to vape where you can't smoke. I do vape in my car and I'm scared that
people will think the same as rosesense said. I think I probably would if
I didn't know about ecigs. lol I live in a hick town, and I really don't need
the police called on me for smoking a crack pipe! hahaha That would be
my luck.
I was vaping on a cruise ship this past weekend and nobody said anything. I thought that was pretty cool until I noticed that they allowed smoking in all the bars. Gee, and I thought I was being brazen!
I don't expect ecigs to be legal inside any building. The rules will eventually be the same as smoking because smokers will use vapers as an example in attempting to regain their indoor status. It won't work and the "fair" thing will be to send us all outside. If no vapor came out when we vaped, it might be a different story. "Do you want your kids inhaling that stuff?" will be the cry of smokers who can't smoke inside and don't want us to either.
OTOH, smokers might quit in droves if ecigs ARE made legal to use inside and that might be a good thing. Some foresighted politician just might realize that the way to make tobacco smokers quit is give them an alternative. The question is "Would the non-smokers decide to live with the lesser of the two evils?" There will always be the parent who rushes their kid by the outside smoker with a dirty look and a comment about how that stuff will kill you. Those opinionated types will always exist inside or outside, smoke or vape. They don't want to hear the truth because they have been brainwashed.
And that same brainwashed, closed minded lemming Mom will go home and knock back a bottle of wine (because a glass a day is good for you right?) while her kid pilfers thru the med cabinet. I encounter people every day who are too lazy to think for themselves and believe everything they hear on the daily news.
We lose our rights (not just as smokers or vapers) because too many people are lazy and think someone else will fight for them. It's sad
We lose our rights (not just as smokers or vapers) because too many people are lazy and think someone else will fight for them. It's sad
If the weather is nice I go outside to vape simply because I want to be outside. If the weather is not nice, or I cannot get outside I stealth vape anywhere and everywhere I feel like it but I do it on stealth mode.
I have to watch my PVs like a hawk, though. I had 1 stolen in a bar I never got back, and I've had them stolen twice in restaurants but in both of those cases I was able to recover them.
I have to watch my PVs like a hawk, though. I had 1 stolen in a bar I never got back, and I've had them stolen twice in restaurants but in both of those cases I was able to recover them.
People definately need to start thinking for themselves...so much of the iunformation out there is misguided crap that someone heard from someone else that didnt know what they were talking about! Unfortunately, like someone else said, these people will always be out there..the ones that cant and wont think for themselves..
Before i made a logical decision on whether vaping should be allowed everywhere i would want to see research on the effects of the vapor on people around them..The vapor doesnt disappear..regardless of what people think..You might not be able to see it but it is still there..just in a lower concentration due to it being dispersed throughout the room..If there was evidence of people within a room full of vapor getting moderate dosages of nicotine i could understand not allowing it because it is their right to not have nicotine in their system..
Everyone can say what they want but until extensive INDEPENDENT TESTING (NOT FDA BS) is done noone really knows the effects of vaping on the people around them...and therefore noone can make a intelligent decision based on facts...
Before i made a logical decision on whether vaping should be allowed everywhere i would want to see research on the effects of the vapor on people around them..The vapor doesnt disappear..regardless of what people think..You might not be able to see it but it is still there..just in a lower concentration due to it being dispersed throughout the room..If there was evidence of people within a room full of vapor getting moderate dosages of nicotine i could understand not allowing it because it is their right to not have nicotine in their system..
Everyone can say what they want but until extensive INDEPENDENT TESTING (NOT FDA BS) is done noone really knows the effects of vaping on the people around them...and therefore noone can make a intelligent decision based on facts...
well, it kind of sort of has been:
THE BACTERICIDAL ACTION OF PROPYLENE GLYCOL VAPOR ON MICROORGANISMS SUSPENDED IN AIR
According to the initial findings, propylene glycol helps to kill some of the bacterial properties in the air.
For the record - just like everyone else, I'd like some updated testing, but it is interesting.
Now wouldn't that make some heads explode if we were find out that second hand vaper is actually GOOD for those around us?
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