Provape - A New Respect

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I was only surprised that they get their machined products from another source. I would think they'd have their own machine shop for their rigorous standards, and then eventually start making their own atomizers

I've gone through 3 provaris and find them to be a more than capable device. my personal vaping preferences expanded outside of what a provari can provide. that being said, I would love for them to offer a new or revised product that could accommodate me at where I currently am with my vaping habits

this won't stop me from recommending the product, mind you

Same exact situation for me. I recently sold my V2.5, which I regret after seeing this video and bought a Reo. At .9 ohms I think I'm right around 5 amps, which the Provari wasn't capable of. My genesis builds did alright, but had quite a spool time. Once I got a mech, the Provari collected dust.

Now I have a higher appreciation for what it is and why it does what it does. Even though I'm now a mech/Reo user, I WILL buy the P3, regardless of it's capabilities. This FDA nonsense is going to be a storm of feces (**** storm) and you better bet I'm going to have devices that will run for a lifetime to prepare for it. Same reason I started DIY juice as well. I'll not be paying gobs of money for juice when I can make it myself. I'll not be buying FDA approved mods that are garbage quality because they killed reputable manufacturers.

Worst case scenario anyway....
 

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I was not comparing clones to the Provape models. Simply stating that I could not justify the expense on my budget and that it seemed a contradiction in their core principles that they didn't have a model at a more reasonable price range for a broader market.

But yes. I would prefer to spend $50 dollars on a device every 6 months if needed so I would at least be able to get the latest and greatest available rather than having an expensive device that I'd feel I had to cling onto because I had invested so much in it.

"I am by NO MEANS rich, and I think the Provari is a true bargain."
You fall into the demographics they market. I do not which was my other point.

And how much is it worth to you to get the latest and greatest available when your face looks like your avatar because your "latest and greatest" mod underwent little or no QC in manufacturing and no testing. One person here had a Smok Groove that burned a hole in his carpet because he dropped the mod onto a carpeted floor, and the internal LiPo battery went into thermal runaway because of a design flaw....

You hear stories of people blowing up their cig-a-likes all the time because they either use the wrong charger or because the cig-a-like is a cheap piece of garbage.

I spent much more than $159.00 in two months of smoking. So it seems to me only fair to make that same investment in my safety now that I'm vaping. After all, vaping for me is all about risk reduction, not simply transfering the risk to a new activity.

You complain that they don't have a model at a more "reasonable" price range. Just what do you consider "reasonable" for a device that will provide you years and years of safe and reliable operation, that won't vent the battery in your hand and won't allow you to be "stupid" and vape at unsafe resistances or current?

How much is your safety worth to you? I don't know about you but $150.00 is the deductable I would have to spend on an ER visit and I have great health insurance.

$159.00 is nothing to pay to ensure that I don't fall victim to a mod that is manufactured with sub standard components, does not undergo strict testing, and does not offer the support necessary to back it up.
 
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Thanks for the tour Phil :toast:


Costs too much? I spent $300/month on smokes.
Now I vape (my DIY) for a month for the cost of 1 day smoking.
I bought 2 Provaris from the classifieds in the past month for $285 shipped.
A 2.5 full size with extension cap and a V2 mini with custom laser etched ext cap and an authentic Kir Fanis tank.

2 long-haul, totally dependable mods in great condition + a month of DIY for the cost of a month of smoking.

Too expensive? How much did smoking cost you? Get real.

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Two different classes of mod. Safety regulated vs regulated variable voltage. Apples vs oranges.

Have you looked into the Provape-1? It's an eGo style mod (as in it is electrically switched and safety regulated, but provides no variable/regulated voltage) by Provape that is built with the same quality, care, and reputation of the variable voltage Provari. Lifetime warranty. Probably the safest eGo type device currently in production.

(Unlike an eGo style device, it has the benefit of swappable 14500 batteries.)

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Fixed that for you. :D



Care to debate this?

PROVAPE-1 Features:

  • 16 Second Safety Cutoff - If the button is held down for 16 seconds or longer the ProVape-1 will shut itself off, until the button is released. Protects you and the device from situations where it’s in your bag or pocket and something were to accidentally activate the switch without you knowing. This important safety feature is very valuable in protecting you and preventing a fire hazard.

  • Fact: If you hold the button down on a continuous device for 2 ½ - 3 minutes, the atomizer can reach over 325 degrees. This can create a fire hazard or burn you. With the safety cutoff protection built into the ProVape-1 you no longer have to worry about a potentially dangerous fire hazard.

  • Short Circuit Protection - This protects the ProVape-1 against shorted atomizers/cartomizers.

  • Fact: A shorted atomizer/cartomizer and an unprotected battery can be a very dangerous combination. This situation can cause the battery to drain faster than it is rated for, and can cause a failure/explosion.

  • Reverse Battery Protection - Protects against reverse battery installation.

  • Fact: Some electronic cigarettes do not protect themselves from a backwards battery. If you put the battery in upside-down and attempt to use the unit, you will fry it.

  • Thermal Monitoring System - Shuts the device off if it detects a high temperature condition. Once the device cools off, it will resume normal operation.

  • Fact: Most mechanical mods lack this protection.

  • Amperage Limiting Monitoring - The ProVape-1 will monitor and shut itself off if it detects any excessive over-current conditions.

  • Fact: Many of the dangers associated with electronic cigarettes can be eliminated by monitoring the amount of energy the cigarette is using. Explosions and fires happen when too much battery power is consumed too quickly. The Provape-1 protects you from this by shutting down if it detects too much power draw.

  • Fail Safe Monitoring Circuit - This special circuitry will monitor your device 24/7 for any abnormal conditions. If it senses something is wrong with its systems, the Provape-1 will shut down. Redundant safeties are built into the device so that no single point failure will cause an unsafe condition on the ProVape.

How many of these safety features does YOUR mechanical mod have? You need not respond, I already know the answer. NONE.

My mechanical has none of these. Why? Because it's actually a mechanical mod. :D


Just having fun guys.


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My mechanical has none of these. Why? Because it's actually a mechanical mod. :D
Just having fun guys.
;) The definition of a mechanical mod means different things to different people. A Silver Bullet has a wired switch, yet some people do not consider it a mechanical mod. I beg to differ, its still a mechanical mod IMHO... with a wired switch. Let's just say its not a pure mechanical, but its still a mechanical. I look at an eGo battery and I look at a Provape-1, and I see two different types of battery devices.
 

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I think a definition of a mechanical mod that includes regulated mods, is uncommonly, and unpractically, broad. A mech is largely considered the antonym of a regulated device.

IMO, it would be more accurate to call the PV-1 just a mod - as opposed to an Ego, where the battery cannot be replaced.

I am sure some people will disagree with some of what I wrote here, but I doubt that two of them will disagree with the same thing. :D
 

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The Provari is a great PV but they are missing the boat to gain additional market share by not having VW. There are folks that want more than VV.

I felt the same way until using ProVari's. I've even started setting my Semovar, MVP2.0, and eGo-v V3 to volts instead of watts. The only device I usually set to watts are my 134's and that's because that's what you get.

Watts are good but the more I vape different attys and ejuices the more I find the set-it-and-forget-it thing isn't optimal for me anymore.
 

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And how much is it worth to you to get the latest and greatest available when your face looks like your avatar because your "latest and greatest" mod underwent little or no QC in manufacturing and no testing. One person here had a Smok Groove that burned a hole in his carpet because he dropped the mod onto a carpeted floor, and the internal LiPo battery went into thermal runaway because of a design flaw....

You hear stories of people blowing up their cig-a-likes all the time because they either use the wrong charger or because the cig-a-like is a cheap piece of garbage.

Be wary of what rumors we propagate, this type of misinformation is what in part is going to bring down the regulations on the vaping industry. Batteries have been overheating, venting and blowing up every since they were invented in all different types of devices and uses.
I'm very confident there have been no studies on the quality control processes of competing e-cig or e-cig accessory manufactures at this point in time to do any type of safety comparison of any company. If there has please provide a link to your reference.

I spent much more than $159.00 in two months of smoking. So it seems to me only fair to make that same investment in my safety now that I'm vaping. After all, vaping for me is all about risk reduction, not simply transfering the risk to a new activity.
Again please provide data to substantiate your claim that any brand is safer than the other.

You complain that they don't have a model at a more "reasonable" price range. Just what do you consider "reasonable" for a device that will provide you years and years of safe and reliable operation, that won't vent the battery in your hand and won't allow you to be "stupid" and vape at unsafe resistances or current?

I fail to see any complaint in what I posted. What I posted was what I felt was a very objective conclusion that the owners of ProVape repeatedly emphasized their concern for the loss of industry and loss of employment. Yet they don't have a product targeted at the out of work, under employed or just the guy on a tight budget.

How much is your safety worth to you? I don't know about you but $150.00 is the deductable I would have to spend on an ER visit and I have great health insurance
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Again please provide data to substantiate your claim that any brand is safer than the other.

$159.00 is nothing to pay to ensure that I don't fall victim to a mod that is manufactured with sub standard components, does not undergo strict testing, and does not offer the support necessary to back it up.

I have no data at this time regarding all manufacturers and if any of them utilize "sub standard components" or do not "undergo strict testing" and in fact never referenced any type of comparisons to other manufactures or clones at all regarding quality, support, safety or durability. If you have this please feel free to reply with the links to this data.

This is beginning to feel like ProVape fanboys jumping on what I posted. I never said it was a bad product in anyway. I think the point your missing was my percetption of the ProVape owners repeatedly stating their concern for the loss of manufacturing, loss of employment etc.. however they do not target the out of work, under employed or just the guy on a tight budget as stated previously. Which to me is a contradiction.

ProVape is not doing anything wrong by targeting a certain audience. That's what business's do. Some succeed some do not. Some people will justify the expense and some will not. You do, I do not.
 

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Ahhhhh....... it has become part of my happy Friday routine to read threads such as these :) Seriously. A fun way to pass the time until I can start "beer-thirty". I have a Provari and love it. I agree with all the good things people say, and have said, about it. I can't really think of any improvements it needs. The people who desire ongoing technological advances have plenty of other options to choose from. To those that say they are overpriced I would ask this - have you seen how expensive some of these genuine mech mods are???? A metal battery tube (albeit finely crafted) that costs $200-$300. Now to me that's overpriced, I don't care if it has a unicorn, a rainbow, or Odin etched on it. Just not worth the money in my eyes. It is to you? Then buy it, support that artist and I support you completely.

If I was running anything than just my mouth ;) I wish ProVape would put out an 18650 mech mod with similar tube style as their current model. But as far as the current ProVari I honestly can't see that any improvement is needed.

An add-on here..... I just watched that video. Wow. Very, very impressive. For any manufacturer to reveal so much about their operation is very unusual. I am even more of a Provari fan than I was before........and I was a big fan before.
 
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I just think that since the Provari is all made in USA, the parts are going to be more expensive than those from China. The labor cost here is definitely higher than that in China also. From the video, I can sense that they treat their employees very well with benefit and 401K which is not common in China also. And I think Provape probably isn't paying them just the minimum wage to save on cost. And so in order to support the operations in USA, you do need to price the product at a certain level to still make a profit. After all this is a company, without profit, they can't continue to support the production. I'm more than happy to support a USA company that's focused on safety, care about the factories and jobs in America, and produce a quality product. In some way, and in comparing the Provari with those over $200 mech mods, I don't think the Provari is over priced at all. Lowering the price or creating a cheaper product might expand their market share or appeal to a larger audience, but in doing that they will have to use cheaper parts more automated process which might affect the quality of the product and would not be in line with their philosophy. Seeing all the time and effort by Provape owners and their employees to make sure each and every single Provari is a quality piece, I'm very thankful for their work. I'm more than happy to buy a Provari to support such a great company.

Yes it might seems expensive to some, but really it isn't that much considering the money I spent on cigarettes. A PV is something I use frequently everyday. To me, I don't think I overpaid for the Provari.

And of course, whatever PV that can get one off cigarette is fine. We just all come from different background and places, in different situations have different priorities.
 

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Be wary of what rumors we propagate, this type of misinformation is what in part is going to bring down the regulations on the vaping industry. Batteries have been overheating, venting and blowing up every since they were invented in all different types of devices and uses.
I'm very confident there have been no studies on the quality control processes of competing e-cig or e-cig accessory manufactures at this point in time to do any type of safety comparison of any company. If there has please provide a link to your reference.


Again please provide data to substantiate your claim that any brand is safer than the other.



I fail to see any complaint in what I posted. What I posted was what I felt was a very objective conclusion that the owners of ProVape repeatedly emphasized their concern for the loss of industry and loss of employment. Yet they don't have a product targeted at the out of work, under employed or just the guy on a tight budget.

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Again please provide data to substantiate your claim that any brand is safer than the other.



I have no data at this time regarding all manufacturers and if any of them utilize "sub standard components" or do not "undergo strict testing" and in fact never referenced any type of comparisons to other manufactures or clones at all regarding quality, support, safety or durability. If you have this please feel free to reply with the links to this data.

This is beginning to feel like ProVape fanboys jumping on what I posted. I never said it was a bad product in anyway. I think the point your missing was my percetption of the ProVape owners repeatedly stating their concern for the loss of manufacturing, loss of employment etc.. however they do not target the out of work, under employed or just the guy on a tight budget as stated previously. Which to me is a contradiction.

ProVape is not doing anything wrong by targeting a certain audience. That's what business's do. Some succeed some do not. Some people will justify the expense and some will not. You do, I do not.

Google "smok groove recall" and "e-cig explosion". These are issues of public record. Discussing it here is not going to bring further FDA attention.

I'm also tiring of the "poor smoker" argument. Once we start vaping NOW we worry about cost. Pbusardo really spells it out here.

Taste Your Juice | “BROKE VAPERS” AND PLAYING WITH NUMBERS

Basically if you were a smoker you can not only afford one Provari but multiple Provari. The numbers don't lie.
 
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All this talk about ProVape needing to innovate and upgrade. Why? We are not talking about cell phones, tablets, or other "tech" that people love to compare to ProVari's to make them seem obsolete.

What has changed in vaping since the first e-cig? NOTHING.

We still vape the same liquid, delivered via wicking material to a heated coil.

Oh sure, we may have carto tanks, clearomizers, RDA's RBA's, or God knows what other ways to get the liquid to the coil but we still heat it an vape it the same way.

So some of you are wowed by fancy OLED displays that show all the information at one glance (that by the way NONE of you can see when you actually are vaping).

So some of you are wowed by the fact that your e-cig can also charge your cell phone.....Great.

Some of you are wowed by variable wattage which is nothing more than changing units.....Fine....Congratz, you don't need to do math.

But fundamentally there is absolutely nothing a ProVari needs to do that it can't already. Until we vapers find a fundamentally different way to change our liquid into vapor, the ProVari will continue to be relevant...

A ProVari can't sub ohm. Well if you actually watched the videos, that's not what the people are about at ProVape. To them safety is key. I am not about to get into a debate about sub ohming and it's whether or not it's "safe".

But one thing can't be denied. As coil resistance lowers, your margin for error decreases almost exponentially. The difference between a 2.4 ohm and 2.5 ohm coil is nearly meaningless. The difference in a .4 and .5 ohm coil can be quite a different story.

And it appears, that ProVape is not prepared to enter that arena. Customer safety is number one. They want to make sure when you buy a provari, it will not blow up or vent a battery in your hand.

What does this mean to the average consumer? It means more durability, more reliability, better accuracy. This is what gives you safety. The device will continue to deliver what it says it will deliver....safely.

For all you cloud chasers who are criticizing the ProVari for not achieving 20, 30, 70 watts....guess what? It wasn't built for you.

I do not think that the boys at a ProVape are too concerned about whether or not you can vape your organic cotton, quad coil, smack your mama into next tuesday, double barrelled, vertical thunder coil by Rip Trippers on a ProVari. Sorry folks, wrong demographic.

It's not being "elitist" it's about where one's priorities lie. If you want to call me elitist, fine. I gave up a habit that was arguably the most unsafe thing I could do. Why then, would I want to then subject my self to risk in vaping product with sub standard testing, sub standard quality control and sub standard support? If we vapers' are serious about the term "risk reduction" then why wouldn't we want to purchase the most reliable, safest, product available to vape? If I'm an elitist because I want a device that was manufactured with customer safety at the forefront, then fine, call me elitist. I guess I'm elitist because I use seatbelts when I drive as well.

The number one driving goal at ProVape is safety..... And as a means to achieving that goal, they produce one of the most durable, reliable, and accurate devices on the market. That is what you HAVE to do, if safety is your primary goal.

And that is something that will never be obsolete.
 
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