Provari - Why all the haters?

[kiwivap]

The update won't cost as much as the Kick, either. $45 bucks is just too much, IMO for one of those things.

It can be too much. Let's say you buy a $100 mod, then you kick it - now its $145. I saw the Kicklet which looks very nice aesthetically and makes adjusting the Kick easier. But with the Kicklet and the Kick together it's $99 right now I think. So your $100 mod becomes $199. I like my VW easier and less expensive than that.

 

[denali_41]

it has been mentioned that VW is better then VV .. watts don't power the atty\carto ,volts is what makes it work ,not watts

VW is just a different way of adjusting the volts,plain and simple ,

k.i.s.s.

 

[denali_41]

It can be too much. Let's say you buy a $100 mod, then you kick it - now its $145. I saw the Kicklet which looks very nice aesthetically and makes adjusting the Kick easier. But with the Kicklet and the Kick together it's $99 right now I think. So your $100 mod becomes $199. I like my VW easier and less expensive than that.

and two different places if there are warranty issues,,high maintenance

 

[kiwivap]

it has been mentioned that VW is better then VV .. watts don't power the atty\carto ,volts is what makes it work ,not watts

I'm not sure anyone was saying its better, but just that they prefer it. I have a mod with both functions and prefer the VW function, which is what I use on it.

VW is just a different way of adjusting the volts,plain and simple ,

k.i.s.s.

You could say that. VV is also about calculating resistances and having the right resistance range for the volts necessary, to get to the desired wattage. I find it a lot easier having the same watts and not having to figure out volts and resistances.

It's about what people prefer really.

 

[kiwivap]

and two different places if there are warranty issues,,high maintenance

Good point. I hadn't thought of that.

 

[cyclotron]

So, realistically and pratically, its not the bee's knees that a lot of people have been claiming. I'm just a simple cartotanker. I use primarily the same 3.0 ohm single coil carto in all of my tanks, so to me V W is not a big breakthrough.

Why would you want to suggest what other people consider a good feature "not a big breakthrough"? I can understand that you don't have a use for it but why would you wish to diminish another opinion about what works for that person?

I've had to bump my wattage a bit one way or another sometimes for different heads but I rebuild my atty's and I may be off a bit on my ohms from one to another but at the same wattage it seems the same to me.

My wish is for a joule setting device. With micro-sensors it could happen.

 

[denali_41]

i can take my 3.4 Ego battery and put a 1.2 ohm carto on it and it works great,,if i remember right that is close to 12 watts ??

i can also run that same carto on the provari @ 4.2 volts

i don't need a darwin or kick to make that,

sidenote,most of my juice taste like crap at higher VV or VW ..

 

[kiwivap]

i can take my 3.4 Ego battery and put a 1.2 ohm carto on it and it works great,,if i remember right that is close to 12 watts ??

i can also run that same carto on the provari @ 4.2 volts

i don't need a darwin or kick to make that,

sidenote,most of my juice taste like crap at higher VV or VW ..

I get 9.6 watts for that. Which isn't low.

I use fixed voltage during the workday and find it great. It's not either/or for me. I don't have a Darwin so can't comment there.

 

[Bronze]

It's not the Provari that people hate. It's the snobbish attitude that some (and I stress the word "some") Provari owners have. If you don't think it exists, watch the opening to Busardo's Provari review. He gets it. The second reply to my very first ECF thread was a guy with a picture of a Provari and told me I "must" get one. I just wanted to know how long my 510 battery should last and this guy shoves a $200 Provari in my face. The funny thing is (as one who does not own a Provari), some of the Provari snobs who shove their mod in my face probably have a fraction of the money I do (not that I'm Warren Buffet). I find it rather amusing. That said, I will probably own a Provari at some point. But I wont be shoving it in anyone's face to prop up my ego.

 

[DFDF]

Haters just as annoying as fanboys.

 

[junkman]

it has been mentioned that VW is better then VV .. watts don't power the atty\carto ,volts is what makes it work ,not watts

VW is just a different way of adjusting the volts,plain and simple ,

k.i.s.s.

The purpose of varying the voltage is to affect the watts. The concept being that watts are the closest thing we have to measuring heat on the juice, and ideally the wattage applied to one coil is going to provide the same vape experience on other coils. In reality this may not happen 100% but it gets it in the ball park. Whereas the voltage required to provide the watts varies much more.

Therefore, it is not the same, and variable watts is a superior method.

 

[Bronze]

Haters just as annoying as fanboys.

They're both annoying. Haters are jealous (in some cases), fanboys are insecure (in some cases). As for me, I'll find something far more valuable than a $200 mod if I feel the need to boost my ego.

 

[Boden]

It's not the Provari that people hate. It's the snobbish attitude that some (and I stress the word "some") Provari owners have. If you don't think it exists, watch the opening to Busardo's Provari review. He gets it. The second reply to my very first ECF thread was a guy with a picture of a Provari and told me I "must" get one. I just wanted to know how long my 510 battery should last and this guy shoves a $200 Provari in my face. The funny thing is (as one who does not own a Provari), some of the Provari snobs who shove their mod in my face probably have a fraction of the money I do (not that I'm Warren Buffet). I find it rather amusing. That said, I will probably own a Provari at some point. But I wont be shoving it in anyone's face to prop up my ego.

That makes sense. To people who see the price of a provari to be within pocket cash, the fact that they have one is less important to their ego. If having one was something to be proud of they'd defend it with much more vigor. A lot depends on how much perceived value an object has.

 

[ninfreak]

here is my take on the whole provari,lavatube fiasco.......provari i buy once and lasts me years, even after it breaks out of warranty they fix it cheap. if i break a lavatube(would take me about a month, trust me i abuse the hell out of my provari), i am completely out of luck(save for maybe a month warranty), i have to buy a new one.

i have owned a provari for a year and a half now and it has never failed me(you can do just about anything to a provari and not break it, run it over, use as a hammer, throw it against the wall, hell mine has been run over by a lawnmower), china always fails me.

people are always complaining about the cost of things, you get what you pay for folks. remember 10 year old kids are making your cartos and lavatubes, where is the qc there?

 

[Boden]

The purpose of varying the voltage is to affect the watts. The concept being that watts are the closest thing we have to measuring heat on the juice, and ideally the wattage applied to one coil is going to provide the same vape experience on other coils. In reality this may not happen 100% but it gets it in the ball park. Whereas the voltage required to provide the watts varies much more.

Therefore, it is not the same, and variable watts is a superior method.

That's a bold statement. I think peaches are superior to apples.



Now you got me thinking about thermal efficiencies. If a coil has more wraps it is more efficient at producing vapor than a smaller coil. There are too many variables to say that one method will need less manual input than another even if the coils are at the same temperature.

 

[Baditude]

I use primarily the same 3.0 ohm single coil carto in all of my tanks, so to me V W is not a big breakthrough.

Why would you want to suggest what other people consider a good feature "not a big breakthrough"? I can understand that you don't have a use for it but why would you wish to diminish another opinion about what works for that person?

I don't see how or where I was diminishing someone else's opinion about what works for another person. I was merely making a statement that it wasn't a big breakthrough for me, meaning as an individual. Please excuse my unintended rudeness.

 

[Bronze]

I don't see how or where I was diminishing someone else's opinion about what works for another person. I was merely making a statement that it wasn't a big breakthrough for me, meaning as an individual. Please excuse my unintended rudeness.

Bad, I've read enough of your posts to know you're not a Provari snob. In fact, I know many Provari owners who are not snobs. They're just normal slobs like me taking it one day at a time. I don't think you or me would ever hold it against a guy who bought a Lavatube because all he had was $88.

 

[flintlock62]

That is the reason I would like to have a Provari. If I pay more for the quality (and customer service) up front, I save in the long run.

here is my take on the whole provari,lavatube fiasco.......provari i buy once and lasts me years, even after it breaks out of warranty they fix it cheap. if i break a lavatube(would take me about a month, trust me i abuse the hell out of my provari), i am completely out of luck(save for maybe a month warranty), i have to buy a new one.

i have owned a provari for a year and a half now and it has never failed me(you can do just about anything to a provari and not break it, run it over, use as a hammer, throw it against the wall, hell mine has been run over by a lawnmower), china always fails me.

people are always complaining about the cost of things, you get what you pay for folks. remember 10 year old kids are making your cartos and lavatubes, where is the qc there?

 

[junkman]

That's a bold statement. I think peaches are superior to apples.



Now you got me thinking about thermal efficiencies. If a coil has more wraps it is more efficient at producing vapor than a smaller coil. There are too many variables to say that one method will need less manual input than another even if the coils are at the same temperature.

I don't think it is that bold, and it is in no way analogous to peaches vs. apples.

Some one tells you they vape at 4.5 volts. Tells you nothing without further details. Someone tells you they vape at 8 watts, then you have a much better idea of the vape they are experiencing.

Volts on its own is a meaningless measure for vaping, whereas watts are very pertinent. Look at all the vaping power charts. They are based on what range of watts are considered "best" or the "sweet spot".

Having a device that adjust this measure is better than having one that adjust a factor in the equation to get this measure, right?

 

[Boden]

I just thought up a thing...

VV is like a manual transmission, VW is like an automatic. You wouldn't say that an automatic is better at everything. Sure it shifts for you but not always in the best way. While a manual is more work it can be much more precise.