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it seems we are on the same page as I said I agreed with the premise of your post. I mostly just liked the story.

As for BSD, there is no such thing as something being too slow to prevent hacking. One can exploit a known vulnerability without an ounce of system resources used.
[/QUOTE] yep. If they’ve got em anyway. To find one though you’ve got to see if that particular system has a given vulnerability and to do that you have to test it. Which takes clock cycles.

Also true. It takes time though. This was a walk in hackathon. Time was limited. Probably to a single day, though I didn’t ask. I could if you think it sufficiently important. I don’t want to bug the guy. He’s old and it’s late.

As luck would have it I ran into the originator of this story in the interim and got it told to me again.
It did happen, though later in the development of computing than I had remembered.

It was BSDi specifically. The fairly short lived commercial variant of BSD. It had unusually efficient code when it was out. To match equivalent throughput it didn’t need the speed other systems did, and it’s specialty was high security. As a result it was fine running on x386 systems where other OSes of the period simply couldn’t. There was commentary at the time that the windows version of the period might be able to match its code speed if it removed several of its more basic critical security features.[/QUOTE]
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Not to drag this topic out, but you cannot make assumptions that all vulnerabilities are unknown to those who wish to exploit them, and therefore they constantly testing looking for a hole. A vulnerability becomes a threat when it is known. The Equifax breach was through a known vulnerability – those involved knew exactly what to do and how to execute it efficiently. It took mere seconds and little if any resources to gain access to Equifax systems.

Part of my profession is vulnerability management. There are professional organizations that test for vulnerabilities under lab environments and post their findings to the vendors of said applications. This information can be easily obtained by anyone, including those who wish to exploit. BSDi is not void of vulnerabilities regardless of what clock speed the software is able to run at. Takes only a few minutes to find dozens upon dozens of critical vulnerabilities that exploit everything from DoS attacks to remote root access. Clock speed is irrelevant!

Edit: The quotes are getting messed up which makes it difficult to read!
 
i and several other “olds” do tend upon occasion to rip on people who claim that tenth ohm builds at 90+ watts and massive exotic coils are the best flavor experience.

I decided I should check myself, so this is my attempt.

I went down to my local vape shop and told them my story and that I wanted to vape above 100w and I needed a pair of the biggest most ferocious low ohm exotic coils the could muster.

I produced for the attempt an aromamizer plus (my most modern dual coil DL atty) and an ageis legend.

They delivered.

Props to the folks at VapePros. They have a good selection and they know their stuff. If you’re in Saint Paul MN near the state fair they’re worth a look.

The build was a pair Ni80 fused claptons that were maybe 1.5mm wide and a quarter of that thick. Big mother’s. It read 0.1ohm even when newly installed according to the ohm meter in the legend. I would never let this thing touch a mech mod. There’s a non zero chance it’s actually as low as 0.06 or so.
Limitations of hardware and all that.
NOTE:
Heh. It’s actually reading 0.07 atm. See what I mean? Ohms this low aren’t safe on mech mods. I’m not even totally sure they’re safe on a VV mod. No battery heat though and the thing is firing fine.

For the most extreme comparison I could do, I had a therion squonk and a berserker MTL RDA. Single coil single strand 28g SS, 8(?) wraps reading at 1.0ohm. Running it in TC mode at 430f. The thing vapes best for me in watts mode around 9w

So we give them both a vape. Both at TC 430f in their respective TC mode for each metal.

Clouds? No comparison. I’m getting at least 3x the vapor volume out of the DL vape. Very possibly a LOT more. One could easily cloud up a room with this thing. This is expected. No one is impressed by clouds. The DL vape however IS producing more flavor. Not 3x more. Maybe 10% more. The flavor is also different. More acid. Perhaps fruitier. I do like it a little better.

Now to vape in wattage mode. This is normally kind of a no no with Ni80, and maybe I should have specified SS to the guys at the shop. Let’s see what I can generate though.
In power mode I can get to 110w before it’s burny. Flavor very similar to the 430f attempt though the vape is warmer. Perhaps even more flavor. In direct comparison to the berserker MTL RDA running at 9w it does just flat out beat it. Also, since I’m vaping the same juice in each which is ~12mg/ml I found I needed to grasp the table top as I’m dizzy.
Too much nic (no surprise)
Now at a much more what I generally consider sane 40 watt: the coils are quite slow to heat, and the flavor is now more or less identical or maybe even a bit weaker than the berserker. Cloud reduction maybe 10% the berserker is now producing a warmer vape than the aromamizer.

Result: the kids with the Uber powered vapes may possibly have something. There IS flavor level improvement. At least vs. a MTL atty. they give up a lot to get there though. My aromamizer has a 10 ml capacity and I started with it nearly full. It’s half empty. Batteries the same. The therion/berserker is down maybe 10-15% battery and I haven’t even needed to squonk it yet. If I wanted to vape this all day the way I vape a mtl atty I’d need to carry at least 4 spare 18650s with me. Maybe 6. And there would probably be at absolute minim one possibly as many as three refills of that 10ml tank.

So what about a DL comparison? I’m a bit more limited there. The only other modern RTA ive got is a 22mm pulse single coil that’s armed with 26ga SS on a drone 250c, and it’s running a different flavor of juice. Let’s poke at it anyway though. This coil is a 26/32 Clapton at .6ohm and likes to run about 30w.

Flavor? Different juice, but I’d say pretty similar though of course it’s hard to tell. Clouds? Pretty dang similar. Maybe a 10% volume drop though it’s less dense.
TC mode: 430f again. Drone set to 50w max because it makes the thing heat up a bit faster.
More or less the same deal.

RESULT:
The big boy coil does make more flavor and a heckuva lot more cloud over a imho high grade MTL vape. (This of course may be contested. I did my best with what I got. It may not cut it though)
Against a lower watt higher ohm DL less aggressive system though there was a change in flavor character, the flavor volume per se didn’t seem to change that much.
The cost in each case was lots and lots of battery life and a certain amount of juice. That drone will DL for a good 8-10 hrs on those two batteries and will burn maybe two bottles (16ml) in that time.

Worth it? Maybe. Kind of. That big boy coil sure was tasty at 110w and was clearly boiling more liquid. Enough to make me dizzy even, and I’m a quite large man who’s been vaping daily for a very long time. Ultimate extreme flavor chase? Mmmm...Ok. The difference between ultimate extreme and merely high quality is quite small though.

As a new vaper that uses pre made sub ohm coils, this is what your post read like to me 'blah blah mechanics...50/49 abcdef make of the doo-hicky sort.
LOL! Just thought you might get a laugh out of that.
I didn't understand a word of your post XD
I just want to screw in a pre made sub ohm coil, let it soak for 15 minutes and have it do it's job without me having to use a calculator or tools.
I admire your knowledge though :)
 
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This thread is really stellar for an internet thread. We've gone from vaping through electrical engineering to quantum physics, and the real topper a cat video. Well done!

Here's my take. First, can we stop calling coils "advanced"? It suggests the need for a graduate degree in electrical engineering to manufacture. Let's stick with the standard vape term complex coils that require nothing more than a drill(cordless I'd better) maybe some swivels (amazing what you can do by just straightening the core wires first with a swivel) and a little patience. Experience with knitting or crochet a plus. That or braiding hair (for females or males with girl kids, granted some male hair too but that is a rare exception).

Second, you wanna vape a very low resistance coil in a mech that exceeds the CDR of the battery? Please, don't let me stop you, so long as you live outside the US. I really don't care what happens so long as it doesn't make US News sources and muddy the face of vaping even more. You are welcome to muddy your own face as that is what freedom of choice is all about. So long as no flyiing parts hit innocent bystanders.

Me, after much experimentation in builds, attys, and power sources, I'll stick with my current dual complex coil builds on a regulated mod, squonk or plain. I also like my small 22 mm single coil flavor bangers with simple round or maybe a Clapton with a small core wire on my mech squonks. They happen to give me the best vape experience for me. Maybe not for others, but I've found that's what works best for me.

As for very complex builds I'd love to do A,B,X testing like for audio equipment or even wine tasting. The number of golden ears or palettes out there is nowhere near the number of people who actually possess them. Me? Been there, done that. If I felt high wattage complex builds gave me sufficient improvement in performance over what I'm currently using, I'd be vaping that way. But everyone is free to vape any way they want, short of advising potentially unsafe methods. And a disclaimer of this is what works for me, but don't try it yourself is utter nonsense and outright fraudulent because someone will read how if a person can do it and be successful why can't I too?
 
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This thread is really stellar for an internet thread. We've gone from vaping through electrical engineering to quantum physics, and the real topper a cat video. Well done!

Here's my take. First, can we stop calling coils "advanced"? It suggests the need for a graduate degree in electrical engineering to manufacture. Let's stick with the standard vape term complex coils that require nothing more than a drill(cordless I'd better) maybe some swivels (amazing what you can do by just straightening the core wires first with a swivel) and a little patience. Experience with knitting or crochet a plus. That or braiding hair (for females or males with girl kids, granted some male hair too but that is a rare exception).

Second, you wanna vape a very low resistance coil in a mech that exceeds the CDR of the battery? Please, don't let me stop you, so long as you live outside the US. I really don't care what happens so long as it doesn't make US News sources and muddy the face of vaping even more. You are welcome to muddy your own face as that is what freedom of choice is all about. So long as no flyiing parts hit innocent bystanders.

Me, after much experimentation in builds, attys, and power sources, I'll stick with my current dual complex coil builds on a regulated mod, squonk or plain. I also like my small 22 mm single coil flavor bangers with simple round or maybe a Clapton with a small core wire on my mech squonks. They happen to give me the best vape experience for me. Maybe not for others, but I've found that's what works best for me.

As for very complex builds I'd love to do A,B,X testing like for audio equipment or even wine tasting. The number of golden ears or palettes out there is nowhere near the number of people who actually possess them. Me? Been there, done that. If I felt high wattage complex builds gave me sufficient improvement in performance over what I'm currently using, I'd be vaping that way. But everyone is free to vape any way they want, short of advising potentially unsafe methods. And a disclaimer of this is what works for me, but don't try it yourself is utter nonsense and outright fraudulent because someone will read how ic I a person can do it and be successful why can't I too?

When it comes to people muddying up the reputation of vaping, Canada and the U.S. are connected that way. I'm sure you know about the guy in Texas who's vape blew up in his face. Well, that story ran wild in Canada also, causing haters to throw that story in the face of vapers here in Canada also.
 
Well, based off your synopsis you obviously have a better grasp of what's going on than I do. Nice work!
So all I have to do is make a doo-hicky that is compatible with .12345 power.... ok! Off I go to ask for that stuff at the vape shop! Well damn, I'm smarter than I thought I was! I can't wait to impress the ppl at the vape shop with this! Tee hee! ;)
 

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BSDi is not void of vulnerabilities regardless of what clock speed the software is able to run at.
“Is” is not a relevant term in this case. The operating system was available and kept current for only a few years in the 1990s.
Takes only a few minutes to find dozens upon dozens of critical vulnerabilities that exploit everything from DoS attacks to remote root access.
I would be astounded if that wasn’t the case. The OS is ancient. You’re applying modern standards and techniques to beyond legacy technology. It was a different world then. Most of those vulnerabilities hadn’t been discovered, the reference you mention hadn’t been written and the internet didn’t exist. The OS was practically brand new at the time. It was known to be a UNIX variant, so there were basic steps to take, but other than that it was a blank slate.
Clock speed is irrelevant!
Clock speed is cycles over time. Time was limited so therefore so was clock cycles. It was a dirty trick, really. They effectively massively shortened the time available.
Edit: The quotes are getting messed up which makes it difficult to read!
Yeah. I hate it too.
 
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As a new vaper that uses pre made sub ohm coils, this is what your post read like to me 'blah blah mechanics...50/49 abcdef make of the doo-hicky sort.
LOL! Just thought you might get a laugh out of that.
I didn't understand a word of your post XD
I just want to screw in a pre made sub ohm coil, let it soak for 15 minutes and have it do it's job without me having to use a calculator or tools.
I admire your knowledge though :)
yeah, that was me for years. I got this way mostly because back in the day ecigs sucked so bad they could only just barely do any job at all. My only option was to go deeper down the rabbit hole looking for better performing stuff.

Is there anything at all useful to you here? Some simple takeaways for folks who don’t care much about this stuff:
“Don’t use mechanical mods unless you want to go deep”
Also “the really complex stuff isn’t all that much better than the simple automated stuff though it can be more dangerous and is definitely a lot cheaper in the long run”
 
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Yes, it happens that you might be an ignorant builder. It happens a lot actually, as a Ni80 aliens coil build that's visibly flawless doesn't short circuit on itself just like that; the alien wrap wire prevents that from happening, just like the normal wrap wire of a simple clapton also prevents it from happening.
Good thing I didn’t build the coil then. It was professionally made.
 
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yeah, that was me for years. I got this way mostly because back in the day ecigs sucked so bad they could only just barely do any job at all. My only option was to go deeper down the rabbit hole looking for better performing stuff.

Is there anything at all useful to you here? Some simple takeaways for folks who don’t care much about this stuff:
“Don’t use mechanical mods unless you want to go deep”
Also “the really complex stuff isn’t all that much better than the simple automated stuff though it can be more dangerous and is definitely a lot cheaper in the long run”

I wish I knew a lot more about rebuildable as I am on a tight budget and I can imagine that I wouldn't get depressed every time I had to buy coil material. I spend $54.24 after tax on 12 coils (12 gets me through the month). Rebuildables just seem too advanced for me still as I have only been vaping for 4 months.
 
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I wish I knew a lot more about rebuildable as I am on a tight budget and I can imagine that I wouldn't get depressed every time I had to buy coil material. I spend $54.24 after tax on 12 coils (12 gets me through the month). Rebuildables just seem too advanced for me still as I have only been vaping for 4 months.
Ironically the coil cost thing can be fixed I think. What coils exactly? Most coils can be bought for less than a buck and a half apiece if you know where to shop.
 
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Ironically the coil cost thing can be fixed I think. What coils exactly? Most coils can be bought for less than a buck and a half apiece if you know where to shop.

I use Vaporesso GT Cores cCells. I find that the standard price even on line is $11.99 For a box of 3. And those are the cheapest brand I see. Ex: Smok coils (which are interchangable) are $6 each! Keep in mind I am shopping Canadian bc if I bought American there's the exchage rate then.
I see you are in the U.S. so they are def. cheaper for you.
 

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I use Vaporesso GT Cores cCells. I find that the standard price even on line is $11.99 For a box of 3. And those are the cheapest brand I see. Ex: Smok coils (which are interchangable) are $6 each! Keep in mind I am shopping Canadian bc if I bought American there's the exchage rate then.
I see you are in the U.S. so they are def. cheaper for you.
Two points:
1) it was mentioned somewhere around here recently that cCells are washable. Boiling water I think? There was a guy who had been using the same couple of coils for three months.
2). There’s these. It’s not a ton cheaper but it may help. Shipping can take forever though 10 days-2months
$8.69 (Free Shipping) Authentic Vaporesso NRG GT CCELL Coil Head (3-Pack) (NRG GT CCELL, 0.5ohm, 3-Pack) at m.FastTech.com

UPDATE: found the thread:
Can you really clean your coils and use them again?

You want to talk to @Lowjumper
 
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Two points:
1) it was mentioned somewhere around here recently that cCells are washable. Boiling water I think? There was a guy who had been using the same couple of coils for three months.
2). There’s these. It’s not a ton cheaper but it may help. Shipping can take forever though 10 days-2months
$8.69 (Free Shipping) Authentic Vaporesso NRG GT CCELL Coil Head (3-Pack) (NRG GT CCELL, 0.5ohm, 3-Pack) at m.FastTech.com
If the shipping takes that long and the site ends in .com then it's not in Canada, so it will cost MORE than that in the end for me. Exchange rates, shipping fees, etc.
 
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If the shipping takes that long and the site ends in .com then it's not in Canada, so it will cost MORE than that in the end for me. Exchange rates, shipping fees, etc.
That is possible. It may be worth checking though. Shipping is supposed to be free worldwide. That’s one of the things trump is mad at China about. There’s an ancient international postal law that allows “developing nations” which technically includes China to get a gigantic discount on international shipping when something is going FROM China TO a developed nation like Canada. China has been leaning really really hard on it.

According to this thread:
From fasttech to canada
Shipping is free as long as you ONLY use Canada post. If you go UPS or something you may get an additional surprise bill. Or you may not
 

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Two points:
1) it was mentioned somewhere around here recently that cCells are washable. Boiling water I think? There was a guy who had been using the same couple of coils for three months.
2). There’s these. It’s not a ton cheaper but it may help. Shipping can take forever though 10 days-2months
$8.69 (Free Shipping) Authentic Vaporesso NRG GT CCELL Coil Head (3-Pack) (NRG GT CCELL, 0.5ohm, 3-Pack) at m.FastTech.com

UPDATE: found the thread:
Can you really clean your coils and use them again?

You want to talk to @Lowjumper

I wouldn’t go as far as 3 months. There is still cotton used in a cCell coil which does eventually break down. There is also a coil which does get gunked up. Month tops!

I use to be a huge fan of cCells and gave them much praise here on ECF. There have been many reports over the interwebs of the ceramic breaking down into a dust which if inhaled, is not the healthiest thing to do. Will admit I ignored much of this, and even read a so called lab report claiming no harmful material was found. But still had concerns. If anyone has ever taken apart a cCell coil knows how easily the ceramic can break apart. I stopped using cCells after finding what I will assume was ceramic dust within the blister pack.

You can take my experience for what it is, I am not trying to tell anyone what to use or what not to use. But do feel this is important information to know which could be taken into account when assessing our own risks with vaping.

@RebeccaD – if looking for GT Core coils, be it cCell or other, Dashvapes is one of, if not the cheapest in the city.
 

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I wouldn’t go as far as 3 months. There is still cotton used in a cCell coil which does eventually break down. There is also a coil which does get gunked up. Month tops!

I use to be a huge fan of cCells and gave them much praise here on ECF. There have been many reports over the interwebs of the ceramic breaking down into a dust which if inhaled, is not the healthiest thing to do. Will admit I ignored much of this, and even read a so called lab report claiming no harmful material was found. But still had concerns. If anyone has ever taken apart a cCell coil knows how easily the ceramic can break apart. I stopped using cCells after finding what I will assume was ceramic dust within the blister pack.

You can take my experience for what it is, I am not trying to tell anyone what to use or what not to use. But do feel this is important information to know which could be taken into account when assessing our own risks with vaping.

@RebeccaD – if looking for GT Core coils, be it cCell or other, Dashvapes is one of, if not the cheapest in the city.
So @Lowjumper ’s claim was false then. That’s sad. I had hopes.
 
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