Lucky for me I'm not "everyone".
Well I don't think that's true. The whole idea that improving the aesthetics helps to, more often than not, improve the flavor just isn't realistic in any way, and, to achieve both goals in just a single end result takes the kind of skill set the vast majority of advanced coil builders simply don't have or else it isn't very high on their list of priorities despite some are constantly in denial about that. A lot of them tend to post wonderful pics of their build regardless of how they truly think it vapes when compared to simpler builds that don't impress as much, visually and/or in terms of how hard it is to create them.
Flavor chasing beyond a certain point tends to become a tough challenge, and the same also applies to building for art. If there's no challenge at all, then it's just boring IMO, whereas aiming for too much challenge too soon usually leads to constant failure and, ultimately, sheer frustration. The end product is only one part of what can make it very rewarding, though, as the process of learning and working with wire can be both fun and therapeutical/relaxing, especially if you're in the right mood and trying to strike a middle ground between keeping an interesting level of challenge and going for a good achievable chance of building success. I don't spend a huge amount of my time coil building BTW. Decent Ni80 coil builds typically can last several months so I don't need to build very often.
Think of it as part of a group effort to some certain extent. The early pioneers in advanced coil building have already cleared many obstacles in the past; there are some excellent coil build video tutorials on YouTube, and a lot of people are still supporting each other by sharing their own experiences and by learning from each other.
It boils down to like maybe only about 25 cents per day on average if you decide to buy them from a quality supplier, retail price. That's not a condradiction in terms considering the fact so many people spend so much more on drop in coils from Smok that last 2 days.
IIRC, you said you also own a Reuleaux RX2/3. So all you'd need to set it up is just a Windows PC and the time it takes to download and install the stuff from
NFE Team and enter a few settings, and save them into the mod via the USB cable that came with the mod. No need to dial in a TCR. You can use it in wattage mode, and so it'll work with both Nichrome and Kanthal, set-and-forget, just changing the wattage on the mod up or down like you usually would if using wattage mode. IMO that's the beauty of using ArticFox, even though it also helps to improve TC mode on the RX2/3, very significantly.
No, I didn't. I merely pointed out this is what I prefer on a single battery mech. The reason why I can't recommend it to anyone is simply because I can't just assume the person in question will be capable to do it with reasonable enough safety in mind.
That's just your own faulty translation. Just because the CDR is all that Mooch will recommend, doesn't also mean that staying at or below the CDR of your battery will guarantee your safety, even though going above the CDR is not without added risk. Kind of like driving your car towards a cliff is not without the added risk of driving yourself off a cliff, even though that doesn't stop people from driving towards a cliff (nor stops them from driving themselves off a cliff, nor even stops them from
STILL getting themselves hurt even after they decide to drive
AWAY from a cliff). I'll just copy paste a small part from Mooch's blog.
You are responsible for your own safety! These batteries are designed, manufactured, and sold only for use in a battery pack with the proper protection circuitry and battery management system. They were not designed for vaping (electronic cigarette) use or for use without protection circuitry. Use of these batteries is AT YOUR OWN RISK!
To which I'll just add that using them at my own risk is all I'm doing, when I'm not recommending to anyone to exceed the CDR.
Basically yes, as the vape educated and safety conscious don't need my recommendations about "how much is safe" when they already know and understand anyway in the first place, as that's what being vape educated and safety conscious truly means, and so they don't ask me for my recommendations about that, and, that immediately helps to explain why I don't give them my recommendations about that. Whereas if a person does ask "how much is safe", that's when the CDR is all I'll recommend because, just because I know what I'm doing and I trust myself about that, doesn't also mean I'm capable to know what
THEY are doing, as I simply can't read their mind about that.
Just because there are added risks, doesn't necessarily make it flat out dangerous. It depends on how big is the sum of all the added risks combined, but also it depends on how well the person in question knows and understands
ALL the risks, and on what the person in question will do to mitigate them, and how. I don't know the person in question well enough for me to be able to fill in all those gaps to any extent that can be considered reasonable enough. That is, excepting only if the person in question happens to be
ME, as I do know, and trust,
MYSELF well enough for that, and for my being able to
ACCEPT the risks.
My own personal experience is very noticeably different from yours. But IIRC you still haven't tried a decent pair of alien coils or anything that, IMO, can be considered highly similar to that in flavor performance, even on a regulated mod so, logically, you still aren't anywhere close to being in a position to judge on that, also IMO. In addition, by deciding to vape on these batteries, you are already risking severe injury or death no matter how many times you choose to selectively ignore this fact, and, the simple fact you still seem to be selectively ignoring this also suggests you still aren't anywhere close to being in a position to judge on the relative safety of using a mech, but the reality is that you
ARE judging on it, fanatically with every chance you get, as can be seen in just about every thread that gets turned into yet another fear mongering fest against mechs, this thread here being no exception to that.
The bottom line is, that's why your point clearly is moot on both counts. You don't trust yourself with a mech? No problemo. You think that's reason enough for you to keep trying to convince others that they shouldn't learn to trust themselves with a mech? You're not in any position to judge upon others about that. So you can now safely stop trying to pretend that you are, just like you can now safely stop bashing both on mechs and on everyone who decides to use them. You sound like a broken record.
I know that it's not without added risks, and that one day I might vent a battery. But I'm taking extra precautions to mitigate the risks, that is, I mitigate them except for the fact I'm going above the CDR. The net result of all that is still added risk, just not the kind of added risk that's beyond reasonable
FOR ME.
You're dangerous. You made me almost laugh myself to death.
I think I'm just going to have to completely disagree with you on that. Like I already pointed out multiple times by now, what you tried is not in any way representative of flavor chasing high wattage DL on advanced coil builds. So you keep on missing the point entirely, and IMO purposefully so, by repetitively selectively ignoring the fact there exist plenty of other coild builds you could try aside from your fused claptons that weren't even the best quality fused claptons anyway to begin with, and your other coil build that can hardly be called an advanced coil build, let alone be called a true flavor chasing coil build.
As for high wattage flavor chasing DL using advanced coil builds on a mech, I'll say only this. Please wake me up when you've finally finished living in your own fantasy world, not before, as I really, REALLY need to recover from almost laughing myself to death about that.
Dream on. You are
ASSUMING that was the only difference. This is the difference between you and me. You wrote in your thread title you could turn out to be full of it. Next, you go around telling us we need to assume you're not full of it, based on, you guessed it: your own assumption that you're not full of it. Enough said.
So? When it comes to the effective safety level, a lot also depends on what you'll do after you've gone through and interpreted all the objective data (massive data, which, BTW, changes all the time. If you've watched Air Crash Investigation on National Geographic Channel, you'll know that one cannot elimitate the human factor, which is subjective by nature so once again your point is as moot as moot can be.
You trust the designers of the built-in safety features of your regulated mod weren't putting in subjective data?
I'll be the judge of what's ethical for my own safety. Especially when dealing with self-defined objectivists who are constantly trying to police it.
Who cares that you don't agree with me on this? The fact there are tons of people out there who CAN do it is equally as clear as the fact you can't. So once again you can now safely stop policing other people with your holier-than-thou attitude, as I kindly recommend that you start policing your own useless repetitive pointscoring behavior for a change.
It implies a level of experience that you still don't have. Stop. You don't even grok the concept of "advanced". Full stop.
I wasn't trying to insinuate that you may become good enough. I already know that you don't have what it takes to become good enough so I was merely trying to be sarcastic.
I already know what the term "rocket surgery" means so no need for you to explain it to me. My whole point was that there are loads of vapers out there who, like me, have gotten into advanced coil building and/or have been buying excellent quality advanced coils, and who are now enjoying
MUCH better flavor, that wouldn't have been possible for them if they'd listened to people like you so, by all means, keep digging the hole that you've dug yourself into by turning this into yet another classical old round of anti-mech megalomania.
IF I blow my face off. If you'd tried a decent pair of alien coils instead of denying you turned out to be full of it because you simply never tried anything of the sort. Next, if you'd admit you can't judge how going for a mech can also affect flavor performance, also because you never tried it. Next, if you'd educate yourself properly about battery safety instead of constant fear mongering about it. Can anyone see the trend?
To me, personally, the only other option WAS smoking until finally, in January 2017 by mere curiousness I found out I should never have listened to the low wattage apostles. I mean, I could have been a corpse because I did make the unfortunate mistake of listening to them 4 years ago, as I completely ignored vaping altogether directly as a result from that one mistake of mine, yet, now that I'm still alive and reasonably well, I get condescending remarks from some people who try to insinuate I'm only saying this because I'm trying to play the role of 'victim'. I'm not. Instead, I'm merely urging new vapers to not fall into the same old trap I did.
Do you know what I think really sucks? It's the fact that, with the kind of attitude some people have on here, it's only normal that the overall success rate of quit smoking attempts by vaping doesn't appear to be much higher than double the success rate of non-vaping NRTs, the latter being not too impressive to say the least. And before anyone asks, no, I'm not talking about mechs right now, but yes, someone not too long ago on here did in another discussion try to insinuate I was recommending mechs to new vapers who are just trying to come off cigarettes. That, Sir, is what I think really sucks.
. It’s a rule.
