So I could turn out to be full of it here.

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Nice. Didn’t know about the pebble. I’ve been buying vapresso target mini 40ws for my sister but they’re getting harder to find. That would make a good substitute. Cheaper too. Plus I won’t have to file the completely pointless little nub on the top down to make her atty fit. I don’t know why they did that. It’s not like they were making room for anything. The nub is solid metal.
The Pebble looks to be the same size as the Mini Volt. Innokin usually makes good quality products. I got mine from fasttech. The Kit was in stock for $39.99. The mod only was $31 iirc but not in stock. I hate waiting so I got the kit and will probably never use the tank. Also check out the evic basic. It looks about the same size as the Pebble but 1500 mah. It looks like it comes in a 60W version. I went with the Pebble because I prefer Innokin's products to joyetech, but the Basic does look very nice.
 

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The Pebble looks to be the same size as the Mini Volt. Innokin usually makes good quality products. I got mine from FastTech. The Kit was in stock for $39.99. The mod only was $31 iirc but not in stock. I hate waiting so I got the kit and will probably never use the tank. Also check out the evic basic. It looks about the same size as the Pebble but 1500 mah. It looks like it comes in a 60W version. I went with the Pebble because I prefer Innokin's products to Joyetech, but the Basic does look very nice.
That’s what happened with my sister’s first target mini. It came with a tank that is still in the box. The target mini tank is actually decent but the coils can only be gotten online.
I got her a nautilus2 because then she can pick up coils most anywhere.
 

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Gotta love that razor blade sales model. The marketing guys probably get all gooey eyed about the profit margins and the thought of captive customers.
It will fail again. I hope. It almost always does.
There will always be the rebuildable gear for those who want it. There has always been disposable for those who want that. When I started i wanted things as simple as possible
I got deeper into the hobby side of it. Some do and some don't. Whatever works for people to get them off cigarettes.
 

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That’s what happened with my sister’s first target mini. It came with a tank that is still in the box. The target mini tank is actually decent but the coils can only be gotten online.
I got her a nautilus2 because then she can pick up coils most anywhere.
I really like my Nautilus X Quad Flex.
 

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I'm late to the nic salts party. What's great about those?
I use 35mg salts. There is very little throat hit and the high dose kills cigarette cravings completely and lasts a long time. I went from going through 10-15 ml a day DL to 1-2 with my Orion and salts.
 

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I really like my Nautilus X Quad Flex.
Just looked that up. It’s interesting. My sister steadfastly refuses to build but slipping her an optional rba deck would highly amuse me. Will it take regular nautilus coils as well? Or is there a compatibility issue between the X coils and the “origionals”?
 

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Just looked that up. It’s interesting. My sister steadfastly refuses to build but slipping her an optional rba deck would highly amuse me. Will it take regular nautilus coils as well? Or is there a compatibility issue between the X coils and the “origionals”?
The X coils are their own thing I believe. They are a bit wider than the og Nauti coils iirc. The QuadFlex is awesome It is an RDA, RSA, RDTA and a Nauti X tank all in 1. I like the X better than the original. I use mine at 20W which is more than the rating on the coil. I love the size too 22mm×22mm or close not counting DT. It's the one that really got me back into MTL
 

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That’s what happened with my sister’s first target mini. It came with a tank that is still in the box. The target mini tank is actually decent but the coils can only be gotten online.
I got her a nautilus2 because then she can pick up coils most anywhere.

Same with my wife's Aspire Skystar. We couldn't get just the mod and the one we got came with the "Revvo tank" which has to be the most craptastic tank ever included with any kit. Luckily I had already bought her an Innokin Ares tank which is what she uses on her Skystar now. She wraps and wicks her own coils.
 

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    Just looked that up. It’s interesting. My sister steadfastly refuses to build but slipping her an optional rba deck would highly amuse me. Will it take regular nautilus coils as well? Or is there a compatibility issue between the X coils and the “origionals”?
    X-tank is starting to show up in Clearance sections now pretty cheap.
     

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    I'm late to the nic salts party. What's great about those?
    I think nic salts are good for those that just need the nic fix. The problem with nic salts and me is I like to chain vape. I think it is as much the habit as it is the need for nic. I catch myself chain vaping a pod with nic salts in it and get sick because it is too much nic
     

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    That bodes Ill if it won’t take regular nautilus coils.

    It doesn’t. It takes a fatter coil head.

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    I use 35mg salts. There is very little throat hit and the high dose kills cigarette cravings completely and lasts a long time. I went from going through 10-15 ml a day DL to 1-2 with my Orion and salts.

    Oof. I tried that when I got the Orion. Used some?35 mg nic salt in the "mtl" 0.5 ohm pod and couldn't stop coughing for like 15 minutes. I use my regular 6 and occasional 12 mg stuff in pods now. Not a great kick but enough to hold me until I get home for a real vape.
     

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    If smoking 4 cigs in your mouth at the same time created better flavor then one, would that make sense? Perhaps doing 4 would, not debating that, but is it worth it

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    I’ve smoked two at the same time once or twice. It was late night/early morning, I was on a hard deadline the next morning, and I really needed to focus. Did it make sense though? Hard to know. It was 3am, and I was on my 8th or 9th cup of coffee. It seemed like it did at the time I think.
     

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    So: Back to our originally scheduled programming

    So the big boy coils were very slowly raising in ohms. Bumped up nearly half an ohm eventually. I noticed it every time the thing started to taste burned. I would lower the value 5w and it would be fine again. When I got to 75w I couldn’t make the burnt go away so I figured the coils were just gunning up super fast. So I took it apart to change the wick. The coils were clean and the wick was unburnt. So I pulled the wicks and tested the coils. One was heating very unevenly and the other was dead. I gave each grub screws all the oomph I could produce which was between half and maybe 3/4 of a turn. This got the second wick going again, but both coils were totally messed up. So I dryburned and strummed the coils till they were balanced and heating evenly. Produced a lot of smoke for clean coils on the dry burn.
    Then I checked the ohms. 0.06(!)
    I ran it back up to 110w and it vapes like a champ again.
    I’ve NEVER had to rebalance a coil twice, and I’ve never had a coil that wouldn’t vape ok without it being completely covered in gunk unless I messed something up, and then I generally knew inside 10 seconds.

    Looks like these things are fiddly too. I also then promptly killed my batteries and had to swap them out. Again.
     

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    So: Back to our originally scheduled programming

    So the big boy coils were very slowly raising in ohms. Bumped up nearly half an ohm eventually. I noticed it every time the thing started to taste burned. I would lower the value 5w and it would be fine again. When I got to 75w I couldn’t make the burnt go away so I figured the coils were just gunning up super fast. So I took it apart to change the wick. The coils were clean and the wick was unburnt. So I pulled the wicks and tested the coils. One was heating very unevenly and the other was dead. I gave each grub screws all the oomph I could produce which was between half and maybe 3/4 of a turn. This got the second wick going again, but both coils were totally messed up. So I dryburned and strummed the coils till they were balanced and heating evenly. Produced a lot of smoke for clean coils on the dry burn.
    Then I checked the ohms. 0.06(!)
    I ran it back up to 110w and it vapes like a champ again.
    I’ve NEVER had to rebalance a coil twice, and I’ve never had a coil that wouldn’t vape ok without it being completely covered in gunk unless I messed something up, and then I generally knew inside 10 seconds.

    Looks like these things are fiddly too. I also then promptly killed my batteries and had to swap them out. Again.
    That is too low on a regulated decice imo. I like dual coils at about .3-.4. Even with quad core Fused claptons I go down to .15ish which is pretty warm. I am having trouble with flat ribbon wire right now. I can do multi core Clapton coils in my sleep but thin wire gives me headaches. I guess it's just what I'm
    used to.
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    This pair ohms out at .14 I know this one because thwy are still in the atty. You want to go to flavor country, here's your ticket. Mohawk
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    These usually come out in the .3 area I love reduced chamber single coil rdas with big wire. Quad core FC

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    This build is sweet! .18 ohms Hex core FC. Fires fast and hits hard. I use this on the 21700 Pulse BF every day. One 40T gets me through a whole day.
    As far as .07 goes I never go that low. This monstrisity was .11
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    It took 130W To power it.

    On a regulated device super sub ohm builds are unnecessary. Build for surface area and don't worry about resistance. I like multi core Claptons with a lot of core wires and the smallest guage I can find. That will give you more surface area with less mass. Where you position the AF also has a big impact. Thick wire heats up much more slowly than thin. If it's burning something's not right.
     

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    IDK, were you actually like, smoking two at once like AT THE SAME time, double the smoke? Because if it was one in each hand, like, that would be fairly similar to just chain smoking two in a row. I've done that before, heck, I have done it so much that like, there are probably times I don't even remembering doing it, probably.

    3 ppd requires some serious choices, I'm telling you.

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    Why would you want a build that low on a device that can output 12 Volts? You can get 100W up to like 1,4 Ohm.
    Can? Maybe. On the device anyway. Will my batteries handle it though? I’d rather not find out the answer is no. Lithium batteries have really impressive tantrums when mistreated.

    To recap the why of the thing though:
    It was an experiment based on reacting to a bunch of posts from various members, most of them I think young, though not all on the concept that flavor chasing was best at very high wattage levels. The experience of me and a lot of long term vapers implied this was crap, and we said as much. I decided that if I was going to complain I should at least give it a shot. It seems they aren’t completely wrong. There is a somewhat small but very noticble flavor improvement. The effective costs are huge. You need a powerful VV mod to do it safely for one. Other problems include 3-4x battery drain and juice use. IMHO It seems you can get 90% of the way there at 1/3rd the wattage on a much safer .5mm coil. All day on a single set of batteries is a handy thing. So is not running through 30-40ml of juice in a day.

    Right now I’m leaving in the coils to see if there are any other issues in longer term use. One thing I’m noticing is gunking May actually be lower, but the coils required very tight grub screws and the heat expansion may actually loosen them so they still may need more maintainance than a lower wattage solution. Time will tell.
     
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