So I could turn out to be full of it here.

[bombastinator]

It's not even worth it. It's like trying to have a conversation with a 3 year old about why they're sticking peas up their nose (makes me wonder if the poster is even old enough to be on this forum).

Personally I find those to be the best conversations. The reasoning is inventive plus you can tape it and play it at their wedding. Hours of enjoyment.

 

[TheTinMan]

It’s not often people will step outside of their comfort zone in any situation. I admire your test efforts.

 

[bombastinator]

It’s not often people will step outside of their comfort zone in any situation. I admire your test efforts.

Awww.. you are kind.
being wrong is often more useful than being right I guess. Plus I got to play with my toys. I think I’m going to keep those Ni80 coils in there a bit longer actually.
The UberVapers aren’t wrong. It really is tasty. Plus it will be handy come mosquito season. Maybe I can drop em out of the air by breathing on em. That would be cool.

I was thinking of doing the test with an old velocity I had instead. The vape shop boys thought it was touchy because even though it’s the most airy spare atty I’ve got, it’s still a bit primitive compared to the modern stuff. Dude had never seen a velocity before. He was fascinated in kind of an archeological way. My generation is definitely past.
Maybe I’ll salvage em out and put em in there anyway. Save em for the mosquitos.

 

[dripster]

A point that @Katya points out is super subjective. I am reporting what happened to me and what I found.

So just a baby then. Seriously though, a lot of these reports seem to come from much younger users, and the phenomena itself seems to be relatively new.

Most youngsters fall into the common trap of mass marketed low/low-mid priced gear that doesn't allow them to get anywhere close to experiencing the best flavor that DL has to offer so they aren't usually representative of top-level flavor chasing DL peformance anyway in the first place. But more importantly on top of that, the typical widespread stigmatization of high wattage DL is preventing many vapers from spending the actual time and effort it takes to optimize flavor performance of high wattage DL in such a way that it becomes top-level performance. I.e., the early-dismissive behaviour type mentality is also the main culprit. Finally, judging the performance of advanced coils by buying exotic wires or coils at a hefty price premium is not the same thing as buying a cordless drill, swivel tool, and spools of wire to learn how to build your own advanced coils all the way from point zero. The bottom line is too much bias is preventing too many people from even trying to do a fair comparison, let alone do a fair comparison.

I’d go further myself and claim it was based on gross misunderstanding and base ignorance. @greek mule pointed that one out earlier in the thread. I For further explanation I invite you to read the rest of the thread. I think it will be good for you.

I've been trying to read the rest of the thread. But it's difficult to do when I'm constantly rolling on the floor laughing my rear end off.

You’re saying this like I implied differently somehow. You’ll notice that I went with a two battery VV mod to even try this, and I was worried about even that.

That part of my reply was to point out the simple fact your hollow remark about mech safety doesn't make you look smarter.

You mean like the one in the VV mod I was using?

No, I don't.

To quote Lenny Bruce Quoting “Tonto” back in the 1960’s
“Whaddaya mean “we” white man?”

I mean the part of the vaping community that aren't too stubborn stupid to educate themselves properly about battery safety. (I.e., definitely not people like you.)

My face may be saggy, hair covered and more or less unpleasant to look upon but it’s my very first favorite one. I want to keep it.

I'm happy for you that you want to keep it.

so your refutation example is a modern three battery 2x700 device available it seems mostly at least only in Europe, weighs more than a pair of shoes, and costs nearly 200 euros. That’s like $300 or something right? No? More? I’m still smarting from paying less than half that for a new Drone 250c.
Maybe I’m not rich enough to vape.

There's no such thing as a free lunch. That plus the fact it's only $199.99 in the U.S. so not dirt cheap, but not hugely expensive either, and, I'm not forcing anyone to vape a .07 on this particular mod, as there are other ways to achieve high wattage far above 120 watts on a mech like I previously tried to explain (see my earlier comment re series mech). If the Stormbreaker is currenlty sold out almost everywhere in the U.S. and you haven't had the chance to pick one up due to the price tag, it's probably because you've been too busy wasting your time by posting senseless remarks on the internet as opposed to doing something useful to earn the cash.

Building at excruciatingly low ohms was the whole point of both the excercise and your previous paragraph

Strawman argument. Low ohms don't guarantee high power, as it also is a matter of the volts so this part of the excercise was merely a stupidity contest at its finest; sorry for my doing it on purpose.

Oh no please do go on, this is entertaining.

I will go on, if I don't choke myself to death on my cloud with laughter first.

Or in other words (more or less your words by the way) don’t because A. You don’t need to in the first place, and B. Practically no one is going to either pay for or carry around the gigantic device that make it possible.

Of course you don't need better flavor. I don't need better flavor, it's more a question of wanting better flavor, and, I'm not judging anyone who doesn't want nor am judging anyone who can be happy with whatever the flavor performance they currently enjoy. That's the difference between you and me, i.e. I don't usually think in absolute terms when it comes to subjective characteristics the whole purpose of which is subjective by nature anyway in the first place, and, again, I never said you need to vape a .07 on anything so your whole discussion point about that was terribly moot before it even took off.

 

[Jebbn]

Awww.. you are kind.
being wrong is often more useful than being right I guess. Plus I got to play with my toys. I think I’m going to keep those Ni80 coils in there a bit longer actually.
The UberVapers aren’t wrong. It really is tasty. Plus it will be handy come mosquito season. Maybe I can drop em out of the air by breathing on em. That would be cool.

I was thinking of doing the test with an old velocity I had instead. The vape shop boys thought it was touchy because even though it’s the most airy spare atty I’ve got, it’s still a bit primitive compared to the modern stuff. Dude had never seen a velocity before. He was fascinated in kind of an archeological way. My generation is definitely past.
Maybe I’ll salvage em out and put em in there anyway. Save em for the mosquitos.

Off topic for a second, mosquitoes never bothered me all my life. I would watch other people slap themselves silly being attacked by mosquitoes and I would laugh at them.
Then, one night a little while after quitting tobacco I was sitting outside trying to relax but kept being annoyed by these little flying bitey stingy things. Turns out that they were mosquitoes! Apparently they weren't really into me when I was a smoker but as a vaper I was pretty delicious.

On topic.
I'm still very much a mid ohm low watt/temp vaper. I just emptied and put away the "ubervaper" tanks and coils and settled down with a .7 coil at 180c.

 

[sonicbomb]

My question is how hot is that vapor? I always kind of feel like a big sissy because the highest I’ve gone is like 45-50 watts, and that’s not common. I’m usually at 30, even though I know my build would be okay at twice that. But my lungs just can’t handle the heat.

Is that a thing one gets accustomed to with practice? Or are some just not as sensitive as I am?

Coil heat, wicking and most importantly airflow must be matched. If the coil does not have enough juice and airflow to carry the vapor away, temperatures will sky-rocket. That's why cloud blasting atties have windtunnel equivalent airflow options.

 

[TheTinMan]

with an old velocity

That type of Velocity? I don’t see why they wouldn’t work in there.

 

[bombastinator]

Off topic for a second, mosquitoes never bothered me all my life. I would watch other people slap themselves silly being attacked by mosquitoes and I would laugh at them.
Then, one night a little while after quitting tobacco I was sitting outside trying to relax but kept being annoyed by these little flying bitey stingy things. Turns out that they were mosquitoes! Apparently they weren't really into me when I was a smoker but as a vaper I was pretty delicious.

On topic.
I'm still very much a mid ohm low watt/temp vaper. I just emptied and put away the "ubervaper" tanks and coils and settled down with a .7 coil at 180c.

Hmmm... good chance the breath of doom idea is down in flames then. Oh well. I had hopes.

 

[bombastinator]

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That type of Velocity? I don’t see why they wouldn’t work in there.

What type? Ummmm.... the silver kind? After some rummaging, it seems I got two.
They both look a great deal like the pic. One has slightly thinner drip tip threading than in the pic, one looks identical. I don’t have the 510 adapter for either of em though. Both predate squonk pins. They’re almost but not quite identical. Different threading on the drip tip, different metal(maybe?) on the upper cap section. One has a prominent serial number etched on the bottom, and one is dead blank. Got em years ago. At least one is a clone, not sure which one. Both probably.

 

[TheTinMan]

What type? Ummmm.... the silver kind? After some rummaging, it seems I got two.
They both look a great deal like the pic. One has slightly thinner drip tip threading than in the pic, one looks identical. I don’t have the 510 adapter for either of em though. Both predate squonk pins. They’re almost but not quite identical. Different threading on the drip tip, different metal(maybe?) on the upper cap section. One has a prominent serial number etched on the bottom, and one is dead blank. Got em years ago. At least one is a clone, not sure which one. Both probably.

I just grabbed a pic of a random Velocity V2. They are quite dated but still available as clones from Fasttech. $5.33 (Free Shipping) Velocity Styled RDA Rebuildable Dripping Atomizer (22mm, SS - D) at m.FastTech.com

 

[Skeebo]

The vape shop boys thought it was touchy because even though it’s the most airy spare atty I’ve got, it’s still a bit primitive compared to the modern stuff. Dude had never seen a velocity before. He was fascinated in kind of an archeological way. My generation is definitely past.

I had a blast from the past (5 yrs ago) the other day. I found a Veritas and Magma rda in my box of various stuff I no longer use. My first dripper was the Veritas lol... anyone familiar with it will understand the lol. A third hand coming out of my chest would have been a big help getting that thing built right.

 

[TheTinMan]

I found a Veritas

That looks about as complicated as the BB 454. I think I have one of those stashed in a bin somewhere. The Veritas actually looks more complicated.

 

[bombastinator]

I had a blast from the past (5 yrs ago) the other day. I found a Veritas and Magma rda in my box of various stuff I no longer use. My first dripper was the Veritas lol... anyone familiar with it will understand the lol. A third hand coming out of my chest would have been a big help getting that thing built right.

I’ve still got a magma. Iirc it was a pretty good RDL vape. One more atty I wish I had a squonk pin for.

 

[Dconnor]

I’ve still got a magma. Iirc it was a pretty good RDL vape. One more atty I wish I had a squonk pin for.

I converted one to bf when they first came out. Back then very few rda’s had Squonk pins. We were Dremeling slots in the center pins, notching insulators etc. The Magma was a giant PIA to convert, but did work pretty well as a squonker.

 

[Hotwire]

Wow subohming over 6mg would make me cough my internals up! One brave vaper you are!

 

[bombastinator]

Most youngsters fall into the common trap of mass marketed low/low-mid priced gear that doesn't allow them to get anywhere close to experiencing the best flavor that DL has to offer

You mean pods? Even DL AIOs are pretty impressive these days I understand if they got mesh coils. I always thought mesh coils were part of the high wattage problem. Those mesh coils need a lot oomph to go. Then they’d move up to an rba of some kind and keep vaping at 90+ watts because that’s what they thought attys run at.

so they aren't usually representative of top-level flavor chasing DL peformance anyway in the first place. But more importantly on top of that, the typical widespread stigmatization of high wattage DL is preventing many vapers from spending the actual time and effort it takes to optimize flavor performance of high wattage DL in such a way that it becomes top-level performance. I.e., the early-dismissive behaviour type mentality is also the main culprit.

That’s the longest single sentence I’ve tried to read in a while. It’s a bit hard to parse. I think I got it after the third try though. If I’ve got what you’re saying right, I’d have to disagree. I’d say the potential danger of ultra low ohms on mechs is the main culprit rather than any “stigmatization”. Probably also the need for larger higher power more expensive gear as well. There is a time/money/effort/quality ratio to be considered.

Finally, judging the performance of advanced coils by buying exotic wires or coils at a hefty price premium is not the same thing as buying a cordless drill, swivel tool, and spools of wire to learn how to build your own advanced coils all the way from point zero.

Nope. It’s cheaper and easier. Completely ignoring labor which is quite variable according to what a given person makes in the workplace, How long is it going to take that Benjamin or two worth of gear to pay itself back at $2 per coil every 3 to 6 months?
That’s not the reason people make home brew exotics.
My dad was an avid fisherman. He had an aluminum sport fishing boat and all the requisite gear. He used to wrap his own fishing rods from blanks and cast his own lead jigs. I’d guess he spent a couple or three hundred hours total actually in the boat fishing over his lifetime. (He was a GS16 working for the USDA). So that fish he brought home cost what a hundred dollars a pound maybe? A thousand? Hard to quantify.
He didn’t give a pickled goat fart about the cost. He liked to DO it. He LOVED sitting in that tippy foul smelling fishing boat on an ... chappingly cold spring morning staring at basically nothing for hours on end (he also liked to drag his kid along. I loved it not so much) I love that he loved it. Any single solitary iota of love I have for fishing I owe exclusively to him.
If you get off on wrapping exotic coils, wrap exotic coils. It’s sure as heck a better habit than smoking. Take pictures of them, give them to your friends. Sell them to your friends for that matter. I’d do a cost/benefit analysis before quitting your job to go pro though. It’s safer.

The bottom line is too much bias is preventing too many people from even trying to do a fair comparison, let alone do a fair comparison.

I think you’re confusing the term “bias” with the term “basic artithmatic” and “fair” with “stuff that fits my personal opinions” (I’m avoiding the word ‘bias’ because that one is apparently already confusing). That last one seems to be a common problem in our country today. I believe in the news “balanced” is another word like that.

I've been trying to read the rest of the thread. But it's difficult to do when I'm constantly rolling on the floor laughing my rear end off.

Good to know everyone is enjoying themselves. I am too BTW. This is more fun that throwing Cheerios at the cat.

That part of my reply was to point out the simple fact your hollow remark about mech safety doesn't make you look smarter.

Well it definitely failed to make someone look smarter. Me, I was just hoping to prevent a hospital visit or two by proxy.

No, I don't.

No of course you don’t. That brings up another new word: Definition of RHETORICAL

I mean the part of the vaping community that aren't too stubborn stupid to educate themselves properly about battery safety. (I.e., definitely not people like you.)

The definition of “we” may be a bit assumptive then. And backwards.

I'm happy for you that you want to keep it.

I know, right? Practically everyone does. People are funny that way. Blow off body parts and they get annoyed.

There's no such thing as a free lunch. That plus the fact it's only $199.99 in the U.S. so not dirt cheap, but not hugely expensive either

That’s what shrinks call a “value judgement” in the trade I think. Someone in the vape hardware trade could probably say what an average rig costs and why. I’m guessing it’s closer to fifty bucks myself. Or lower.

and, I'm not forcing anyone to vape a .07 on this particular mod,

No you merely claimed it was the way to do it safely with a mech.

as there are other ways to achieve high wattage far above 120 watts on a mech like I previously tried to explain (see my earlier comment re series mech).

So which is it? You seem to be disagreeing with yourself

If the Stormbreaker is currenlty sold out almost everywhere in the U.S. and you haven't had the chance to pick one up due to the price tag,

More desire rather than chance. See, I’ve got these things called “pockets”. If I was to go for a massively overpriced overpowered mech desk vape it would probably be a “Hammer Of God” it’s the name mostly. Plus ya know, more batteries.

it's probably because you've been too busy wasting your time by posting senseless remarks on the internet as opposed to doing something useful to earn the cash.

Is this where I get to roll around on the floor again? I quite enjoyed that. I definitely need to sweep up the Cheerios though.

Strawman argument. Low ohms don't guarantee high power, as it also is a matter of the volts so this part of the excercise was merely a stupidity contest at its finest; sorry for my doing it on purpose.

Oh don’t be sorry. You’re doing a Truly amazing job

I will go on, if I don't choke myself to death on my cloud with laughter first.

I’m glad we both feel it.

Of course you don't need better flavor. I don't need better flavor, it's more a question of wanting better flavor, and, I'm not judging anyone who doesn't want nor am judging anyone who can be happy with whatever the flavor performance they currently enjoy. That's the difference between you and me, i.e. I don't usually think in absolute terms when it comes to subjective characteristics

Ummm... I’m forced to point out that just about every word you’ve said disagrees with you on that. I suppose it’s healthy to have a positive self image though.

the whole purpose of which is subjective by nature anyway in the first place, and, again, I never said you need to vape a .07 on anything so your whole discussion point about that was terribly moot before it even took off.

Ahhhh... I’m beginning to get it... you feel the entire purpose of me buying this coil set, vaping it, and then writing about it was because you thought it was obviously all about YOU.

Much is explained.

 

[bombastinator]

Wow subohming over 6mg would make me cough my internals up! One brave vaper you are!

That was the weird bit. It was great until my vision suddenly doubled. I didn’t even think about it.

 

[stols001]

To be fair, I don't hate dripster much. I mean half the time he seems like a normal human, but the other half.... He just goes bonkers like a rogue bull and there is no reasoning with him.

I mean, Eskie "the nicest man on the internet" (and yes we know... You have s main squeeze, LOL... ) He spent a LONG time and a LOT of words proving Dripster wrong about something this morning in a very terse, kind of tense sort of way. It was kinda brutal... for Eskie, anyway... LOL.

There are several less vocal Dripster "fans", but well. I like him fine at least his Mr. Hyde side.

When he goes all Dr. Jeckyll though... that's not good at all..

Also the victimization thing is not that great a look. He will completely ignore a logical point and go "I am the victim here" and that's annoying.

Also three is no way Dripster is getting NEAR my Cheerios either, I don't have much faith in folks quite that... inconsistent.

I seriously would wonder if his alter ego HAD peed in my Cheerios, which I don't even eat... But you know... something? My battery stash? My eliquid base?

You just never know.. I like him fine half the time however.

Anna

He will still claim I "hate' him after this post which is untrue I like him 50% of the time which is WAY more than many humans, but he can't accept my complements because he's busy drinking Jeckyll juice or whatev.

 

[bombastinator]

To be fair, I don't hate dripster much. I mean half the time he seems like a normal human, but the other half.... He just goes bonkers like a rogue bull and there is no reasoning with him.

I mean, Eskie "the nicest man on the internet" (and yes we know... You have s main squeeze, LOL... ) He spent a LONG time and a LOT of words proving Dripster wrong about something this morning in a very terse, kind of tense sort of way. It was kinda brutal... for Eskie, anyway... LOL.

There are several less vocal Dripster "fans", but well. I like him fine at least his Mr. Hyde side.

When he goes all Dr. Jeckyll though... that's not good at all..

Also the victimization thing is not that great a look. He will completely ignore a logical point and go "I am the victim here" and that's annoying.

Also three is no way Dripster is getting NEAR my Cheerios either, I don't have much faith in folks quite that... inconsistent.

I seriously would wonder if his alter ego HAD peed in my Cheerios, which I don't even eat... But you know... something? My battery stash? My eliquid base?

You just never know.. I like him fine half the time however.

Anna

He will still claim I "hate' him after this post which is untrue I like him 50% of the time which is WAY more than many humans, but he can't accept my complements because he's busy drinking Jeckyll juice or whatev.

At this point I must admit that I own neither a cat nor Cheerios.
The whole conversation in retrospect is making me feel a bit like a “mean girl”.

Someone may listen to his mech vaping screed though for something other than entertainment and possibly hurt themselves.

 

[dripster]

I agree, and you do it so well.

You've found what works the very best for you, congratulations.
The notion your personal preferences equates to what will work best for anyone else or is better than what others chose is one of those ridiculous fantasy tales.

I never said my personal preferences equates to what will work best for anyone else or is better than what others chose is one of those ridiculous fantasy tales. By mere definition alone, the vape experience is subjective, to which I'll just add I'm not the only one whose own personal preferences are completely in line with what I previously described.

For some reason the OP posting about his experiment with his preferences triggers another condescending tirade of the superiorities of your preferences.

I don't see how jumping to conclusions based on only a single experiment can be called a fair comparison test that can be in any way representative for high wattage DL on advanced coil builds as a whole. The simple fact you are being pedantically dismissive of my own personal experiences only shows that your online persona is abrasive.